Before and After

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Anybody who's seen Wheel of Fortune will be familiar with the category where they take two phrases and run them together, for example: "Coffee Break A Leg" from "coffee break" and "break a leg".

This is the ME version! The asker will hint at the phrases and then it will be up to you to come up with the combined Phrase. Here's a rather silly example for you to see how it works:

Q: Mirkwood, ancestral home of the Took family.

A: Greenwood the Great Smials

Okay, here's the first question:

It took Oin to Cuivienen.

Good luck!

Sophia

*Note* Phrim helped me very much with this game *bows to Phrim*. I came up with the idea, and the clue to the answer of the first question... but the clever phrase that results is entirely his. *Round of Applause* Muchas Gracias.

[ July 07, 2003: Message edited by: Sophia the Thunder Mistress ]

[Beren87]

Well, after a little help smilies/wink.gif I've got:

Watcher in the Waters of Awakening.

As the Watcher in the water killed Oin, the Waters of Awakening is what Cuivienen is.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

*nods* Very good! smilies/tongue.gif

Now make the next one...

smilies/wink.gifSophia

[Beren87]

Now make the next one...

Eep, yes ma'm.

A melty place that was fortold by Mandos.

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[Anardil]

Mount Doom of Mandos?

[Beren87]

Well, I was going for "Mount Doom of the Noldor", but I'll give it to you. smilies/tongue.gif

[Anardil]

Sorry for the delay. Some major event had driven it out of mind. I must be related to Ol' Barliman. Anyhow, here we go.
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Thorin Oakenshield's heart swore an oath to Isildur here, but later broke it.

[alaklondewen]

Is it the Arkenstone of Erech?

[Anardil]

Correct.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

*bump* Your go Alak. smilies/wink.gif

[alaklondewen]

Thank you.

The successor of Morgoth and Hador.

[Beren87]

Hm..I've got "Sauron" and the "Easterlings", but they're not going together in any way I can see. Hador died, and when Morgoth overtook his kingdom, he gave it to the Easterlings..

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

Er, Sauron the Black Easterling perhaps then? The 'Black Easterling', of course, was Khamul, a Ringwraith.

[The Saucepan Man]

The Dark Lord of Dor-Lomin?

[the phantom]

Sophia's going to kill you, Saucepan. She figured it out while she was in Indy but she didn't have a chance to get to a computer.

[alaklondewen]

Yes, Saucepan is correct. The board is now yours. smilies/smile.gif

[The Saucepan Man]

Thanks, alak. smilies/smile.gif

Oops, not a good idea to get on the wrong side of a Thunder Mistress. smilies/eek.gif So, without further ado, a clue:

An equine obstacle to the Dark Land.

[Novlamothien]

Is it Rohan?

[Turambar]

Asfaloth Lorien?

[The Saucepan Man]

No, not Rohan. You need to bring together two different Tolkien-related concepts, the clues to each of which are in the question. Er, difficult to explain, but its best to look at the earlier questions for examples of what's involved.

Asfaloth Lorien

smilies/biggrin.gif I'm not sure that Galadriel would appreciate her realm being referred to as the Dark Land though, Turambar. No, that's not it - but you're on the right track. smilies/smile.gif

[Turambar]

I didn't think that was right, but maybe Lothlorien could be an "obstacle" to the Black Land . . .

Back to the drawing board. Equine obstacle . . equine obstacle . . .

Arod Lithui ?

[ July 30, 2003: Message edited by: Turambar ]

[peonydeepdelver]

Um, Hasufel to the Black Gate?

[The Saucepan Man]

Nope, neither of those, although Arod Lithui is closer than you might think. smilies/wink.gif

[Turambar]

Arod Engrin or Arod Gorgoroth?

[The Saucepan Man]

Arod is not in the answer. Think of another horse. smilies/wink.gif

[Turambar]

Roheryn Lasgalen ??

Same problem as Asfaloth Lorien probably.

[The Saucepan Man]

No. The horse in question is just about the most famous one you can think of. smilies/tongue.gif

[the phantom]

Mountains of Shadowfax?

[The Saucepan Man]

That's the one, phantom. smilies/smile.gif Please proceed.

[Turambar]

http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/kopfpatsch.gif

[the phantom]

Thanks smilies/smile.gif

A building dedicated to Hador.

[Iarwain]

the House of Hador, perhaps?

[the phantom]

the House of Hador
It's not quite that easy. smilies/tongue.gif

[The Saucepan Man]

How about Lorindol Guldur?

[the phantom]

Lorindol Guldur
It's not quite that hard. smilies/tongue.gif

[Turambar]

Golden Head Quarters ? smilies/biggrin.gif

[the phantom]

Golden Head Quarters
More Tolkienish than that.

[the phantom]

Well, I guess a hint is in order.

Turambar, you were right to include "golden" in your guess.

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

The Golden House of Hador smilies/smile.gif

[the phantom]

I'm looking for a specific building.

(in other words, it has a name)

[Luthien_ Tinuviel]

The Golden Hall of Hador?

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

How about Annuminas the Golden-Haired?

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

Drat, Luthien, I was just about to say it.

[Luthien_ Tinuviel]

Drat, Luthien, I was just about to say it.


So sorry! smilies/biggrin.gif Who knows, it might not be right, though....

[the phantom]

Annuminas the Golden-Haired
Very close, Sophia.

[Telchar]

eehhhh.... edo....

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

*Bestowing a very odd look upon Telchar*

I wonder if you might have been hinting at "Edoras", which isn't a building, it's a city... where there is an infamous Golden building.

I've never heard of it referred to as "Meduseld the Golden" however, I'll hazard a guess on it smilies/tongue.gif, guesses are free.

Meduseld the Golden-Haired?

Sophia

[the phantom]

I figured someone would've got it by now. Then again, it always seems easy to the writer.

Here's a hint- the building has something to do with Sauron.

[the phantom]

Okay, I'll restate what we know.

The word "golden" is correct. The building has something to do with Sauron.

Here's another hint- think Numenor.

[the phantom]

The clue is-
A building dedicated to Hador.
"Golden" is part of the answer, and the building has something to do with Sauron and Numenor.

Anyone?

[The Saucepan Man]

Aha!

Is it Armenelos the Golden-Haired?

Armenelos was a city, but Sauron caused a temple to be built there.

[the phantom]

The Temple of Armenelos the Golden-Haired it is.

(actually, because it was necessary to include the location with the building, I guess it was kind of hard)

[The Saucepan Man]

Thanks Phantom. smilies/smile.gif

This should be a fairly easy one.

Dwarven King's fortifications.

[The Saucepan Man]

Er, perhaps not so easy, then. Any takers?

[Kaiserin]

Barad-Durin?

[The Saucepan Man]

Nope. That's not the one, I'm afraid.

[The Saucepan Man]

Surely it can't be that difficult. smilies/rolleyes.gif

The (nick) name of a Dwarven King merged with a well-known fortification ...

[Evisse the Blue]

Balin-Dur, then? smilies/tongue.gif

[Turambar]

Thorin III Stonehelm's Deep ?

[The Saucepan Man]

Stonehelm's Deep is indeed the answer. Well done, Turambar. smilies/smile.gif

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

This thread was my favorite, and now that I'm back in town for a while here's hoping some old friends will come back to play it with me.:) Instructions (and plenty of examples) are on the earlier pages of the game.

Who's up for:
Beorn's river crossing at Ondolinde

Sophia

[Fingolfin II]

Nice game!

Is it Carrock of the Music of Water?

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

:D The floor is yours.

[Fingolfin II]

Cheers. I didn't really expect to get it first time- 'A Shot in the Dark' so to speak ;). Hmm, let's see....

Turin's mother from the Golden Wood.

[Firefoot]

This looks like fun, so I'll give it a shot.

White Lady of Dor-Lomin?

[Fingolfin II]

Alas, no :(.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

I need a clue Fin II. ;) This puzzle is aching my brain off. For anyone else who wants to give it a shot, I'm going to post all the relevant words I could think of:

Turin's mother
Morwen
Eledhwen
Elfsheen

The Golden Wood
Lorien
Lothlorian
Laurenindorenan
Lindorinand
Land of the Blossom
Land of the Valley of Singing Gold
Dwimordene
Valley of Gold
Vale of the Land of the Singers

There were also Stewards Turin I & II of Gondor, but I haven't yet found their mothers' names.

Sophia

[Fingolfin II]

Really, Sophia, you give me too much credit. It's a pretty easy question, though unfortunately not as witty as the ones posed in this thread. It kind of makes sense, but in a subtle way; almost non-existent you could say. Anyway, I'll stop babbling and give you two clues-

1.) It doesn't make sense in the conventional way that you'd expect (i.e. Thorin III Stonehelm's Deep or Carrock of the Music of Water), but rather describes a general feeling. Hard to explain, hopefully this will help more-

2.) You mentioned both parts it in your list of names.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

more clue, more clue! I don't understand what you mean by "general feeling", and I can come up with some interesting rhymes, but no real before-and-after phrase...

Help me, FinII, you're my only hope! :p

Sophe

[Fingolfin II]

By general feeling, I kind of mean- hmm what do I mean? Well, what I hope I mean is that you get this 'feeling' or you sense this when you go to this place. Believe me, there are no rhymes in this answer- when I came up with it, it seemed pretty random but yeah, it kind of fits. Anyway, the second part of the answer is "Lothlorien" (or Lorien).

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Unwilling to let this thread be re-killed and re-buried, I thought I'd put forward:

Elfsheen of Lorien?

Sense, nonsense, or has Sophia missed the point?

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Evil Sorcerer's home, new residence of Symbolically Immortal Father

:D

Sophia

[The Saucepan Man]

Dol Guldurin's Tower?

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Close, Saucy. Very close. I approve of the reincarnation of your avatar.

I'm actually looking for the name and title of the "Father", rather than his home. I meant the Evil Sorcerer's fortress as his "new residence".

Sophe

[Nuranar]

Barad-dûrin the Deathless

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Nuranar, I will give it to you, even though I was looking for Dol-Guldurin the Deathless, because I overlooked the fact that Dol-Guldur and Barad-dur were both residences of the same evil sorcerer. :rolleyes:

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Nuranar?

[Nuranar]

I promise to brainstorm one tomorrow! Probably during computer science lab... anything to keep me awake. :)

[Nuranar]

OK, so it was Monday, not Thursday... and it was geology, not cs lab... but at long last I've got something. I hope this is passable - it's the first time for me to do it. And many apologies for taking so long! :o

The inescapable horror of the Valar

[arcticstorm]

Mount Doom of Mandos

[Nuranar]

No, that's not it. (I had to think for a little while to remember what it really was!) Thanks for bringing the topic back up. ;)

[Galadriel55]

An easy one:
mother of a people's piece of rock

[Supermanglide]

Watcher inside the Waters of Awakening.
As the Watcher inside the consuming water wiped out Oin, the Waters of Awakening is what Cuivienen is.

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