History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

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To keep the HoME and UT questions isolated from the majority of us that are clueless, I ask that you put your questions here.

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

General note:
I think the 'clueless' part was a bit harsh, and seems to be aimed more at 'Tolkien scholars' as an insult than it is implied towards those who haven't read those particular materials mentioned.
I certainly never consider those who haven't read other materials as 'clueless', nor (I hope) do others.
Having read the works of Tolkien that I (and others who feel the same) love, and being given derision for such seems out-of-place, even when it 'appears' to be directed towards those who haven't read everything.
The slight as written; seemingly directed at new-comers to Tolkien, and those who have never read further than HOBBIT or LOTR, seems an overt degredation on attempts at new-membership.
I'm sure if I were new at Tolkien and visiting this board; I'd be slightly offended at someone labelling me 'clueless', and would leave for a less hostile and sarcastic board.

Personal note:
'I' came here (and stayed) because I saw the section on SILMARILLION canon studies, and assumed that a reasonable portion of members present (who are prevelant in other sections of discussion including the Trivia section; as the names are easily recognized) in the relevant discussion section had actually READ HISTORY (or why the attempt at the discussion on canon studies? Something like a person newly comprehending algebra attmpting quantum physics equations; as the case is becoming clear in the 'Have you read...' thread.)

Trivia question:
This trivia question directly qualifies for neither; but I saw no other place for it (however; in a sense, it requires some knowledge of Elvish languages gleaned from HISTORY so this is as applicable as anywhere I guess).

What language did the Elves of Mirkwood speak?

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

The 'clueless' in my post above was clearly meaning 'clueless to HoME or UT references if they hadn't read HoME or UT'. It did not imply a complete cluelessness as you suggest. And since I included myself in the 'clueless' category (notice the 'us'), it is especially obvious what I meant. There was no hostility or sarcasm in the remark at all. In fact, I find it offensive that you suggest so. <img src=frown.gif ALT=":(">

If anyone found the 'clueless' remark as offensive as Saulotus has suggested I'm sure you've left by now and aren't reading this.
Now, that last sentence WAS sarcastic <img src=ohwell.gif ALT=":/">

Let's keep the talk to Tolkien and in an ordered fashion as I have suggested. Those who aren't familiar with the HoME and UT may appreciate that they haven't read through the Silmarillion for an hour looking for an answer that isn't there.

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

Temper temper.
You prove my point too easily, without reading my post.

I'll refrain from any other direct reply as you suggest.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> by RKITTLE
'Those who aren't familiar with the HoME and UT may appreciate that they haven't read through the Silmarillion for an hour looking for an answer that isn't there.'<hr></blockquote>
Is this in regard to a different trivia question or the one listed above?

Trivia is meant to be obscure.

triv·ia
: unimportant matters
: trivial facts or details
: a quizzing game involving obscure facts

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[The Barrow-Wight]

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Trivia is meant to be obscure<hr></blockquote>
The trivia at The Barrow-Downs is meant to be fun.

Let's keep it that way.

Is asking to keep the obscure questions separate from the 'common-knowledge' ones really that much to ask??

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[Saulotus]

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

Nope, not too much at all.
And it was fun.

As you can see, I have done so with this seemingly last posted trivia question of mine.

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[The Barrow-Wight]

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

Indeed, Saulotus did ask a question and I buried it in commentary. here it is. Hopefully last did not mean 'final'.


What language did the Elves of Mirkwood speak?

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

I believe the answer is Sindarin. Saul, I believe Rkittle's intentions were good and that no insult was meant (other than self-deprecation).

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[Saulotus]

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

Sindarin is incorrect.

Since the obvious answer is now given; I'll now add an aid for those who have no desire to search overlong.

Try looking in an index under Thranduil and/or Celeborn, and the answer will become evident.
The quandry now is; which index?

Please remember that I specified that a knowledge of Elvish was needed to answer the question properly.

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

OK. Lemberin then (text later emended to Telerian, Peoples of Middle Earth, p.36), but see Peoples of Middle Earth, p. 79 (&quot;In his realm and in Lorien both the Sindarin and woodland tongues were heard&quot;). Which is &quot;canon&quot;?

The above is the reason why HoME questions should not go all across the quiz boards. Not everyone has the volumes, not everyone wants to but people still want to ask and answer questions without feeling intimidated or lacking of expertise. For good or ill, not all posters here are like you and I, having the time and money to collect so many volumes of works by one author. Be cool. <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">







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shone like stars that in the North
above the reek of earth leap forth." </p>

[Saulotus]

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

I was actually pulling from LETTERS.

LETTER #347 (dated 1972, superceeding yet confirming HISTORY text)
footnote within text by author:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr> 'The Silvan Elves of Thranduil's Realm did not speak S. (Sindarin) but a related language or dialect.'<hr></blockquote>
The related language is indeed Old Telerin from whence derived Sindarin.

As for which is canon; I think it's obvious now, especially as the page citation you give is related to development of the Appendices of LOTR.

Answers can be found in more than one locale, if you know where to look.

Ask away.

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

What did the Noldor call the people of Cirdan?

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

Falathrim? That is Sindarin; Quenya would be Falasserimbe...?

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[Mithadan]

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

Falathrim or Faladrim is Sindarin, however, the Noldor had a different name. Try late HoME volumes.

--Mithadan--
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shone like stars that in the North
above the reek of earth leap forth." </p>

[Mithadan]

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

It appears a hint is needed. OK guys. Try HoME 12, Peoples of Middle Earth.

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shone like stars that in the North
above the reek of earth leap forth." </p>

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Mithadan has increased his post count by over two hundred and still no reply. I can't answer for I don't have HoME 12; but I'll bet someone can.

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

ok, here it is: Falmari meaning &quot;people of the waves&quot; or &quot;wave-people&quot;

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

almost quoting Gwaihir - I've increased my post count by 100 and...

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

So sorry all. Forgot about this rather dusty thread. Correct answer H-I. Proceed.

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shone like stars that in the North
above the reek of earth leap forth." </p>

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

aiye, ok. Who were the Balchoth?

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

Were they Easterlings (the ones that Eorl fought at the Field of Celebrant)?

By the way, H-I, it is your turn in the 'Tuor' thread.


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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

right, folk native to wainriders they are indeed. ask us

btw, I look in it now

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

What item was Sador forced to use for fire-wood?


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[Grond]

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

The chair he had made for Hurin?

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[Voronwe]

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

Correct.


-Voronwë
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[Grond]

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

Who where the fellows of Eärendil when he arrived to Valinor?

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[Grond]

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

This question has proved to be difficult, so I'll pass the turn to anyone who names one of Earendil's three fellows.

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Falathar, Erellont, and Aerandir. <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">

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[Grond]

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If you knew the answer, why didn't you answer before the question? <img src=tongue.gif ALT=":b"> Ask away.

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Beregond? Where are you?

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[Beregond]

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Opps, sorry! What are the Gates of Morning?

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[Telchar]

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Gate in the wall of night in the far east of ME through which that sun passed?
(this would only have existed in the 1st and 2nd age of the Sun)

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[Beregond]

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Correct!

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[Telchar]

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Who was Estelmo?

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[Telchar]

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

A CLUE: HE WAS &quot;BURRIED&quot; ALIVE

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

The Esquire of Elendil. (I haven't read that part yet, so I cheated and looked up his name on the Annals) <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

You are very vey very close - but not correct!

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

Okay, I've got it now - the Annals are incorrect! He was the Esquire of Elendur. And he was the only (or one of three, found differing accounts on the Annals) survivor of the Disaster of the Gladden Fields, having been stunned by a club and &quot;buried&quot; under the body of Elendur.

-amyrlis <Br>These are indeed strange days. Dreams and legends spring to life out of the grass. -Eomer</p>

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

Correct <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)"> - Go on!

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

This one's from UT: How many years did the unusually long betrothal (engagement) of Erendis and Aldarion last?

-amyrlis <Br>These are indeed strange days. Dreams and legends spring to life out of the grass. -Eomer</p>

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

the usual time was three years, I deem, but it lasted longer, for Aldarion sailed the see the very third year after the betrothal was made. So let it be 9 years (3 + 6)

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[Telchar]

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

Aldarion and Erendis were betrothed in SA 858 and married in SA 870 - So 12 years allthough I dont think that it fits with the time described in the text, where it seems more like 10 or 11 years...

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

You are right about 858 &amp; 870 though! Sorry for the delay in verifying that - crazy week!

-amyrlis <Br>These are indeed strange days. Dreams and legends spring to life out of the grass. -Eomer</p>

[Telchar]

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

Tar Ancalime was wedded to Hallacar, but those two had something in commen- WHAT?

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

They were first cousins?

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[Telchar]

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

Nope not that close at all <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

They were brother and sister?

"Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends."</p>

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

Much too close

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

They were Fourth Cousins?

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

That is correct - or you can say that they both had Elros as Great-great-great-great-grandfather. - Go on!

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales



All-right, What was the name given to Galadriel by her mother?

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

Nerwen

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Yes Nerwen meaning &quot; Man-Maiden&quot;. CORRECT. Ask away Telchar.

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After the war of the ring - where were the original Elendilmir found?

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

Locked up in Orthanc.

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Very Quick - go on - and BtW Welcome to the Barrow-Downs Theodred21

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

What was the name of the North-Men chieftain that fought in the battle of the plains?

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

Marhari

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Yes, Marhari died in that battle and his son Marhwini became chieftain after him. Marhwini also helped fight the Wainriders. Your turn Telchar.

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Why was the clima/whether milder in Nevrast than in Hithlum?

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Because it was closer to the sea, and farther from the north.

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Not accepted ... the perfect reason is stated.

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

Hithlum was closer to the winters of Angband?

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Ok, I'll look it up. I thought that was the reason. <img src=redface.gif ALT=":O">

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

Answer or come up with a new question so the Tread doesn't die...

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We give up!

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Form UT:
Tuor tarried for many days in Nevrast, and it seemed good to him, for that land, being fenced by mountains from the north and east and nigh to the sea, was milder and more kindly than the plains of Hithlum.<hr></blockquote>

Someone ask a new question <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">

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What was Thingol's name in the Lost Tales?

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

Singollo???

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Nope! <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

Tinwelint, I believe.

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Yes, that is correct!!!

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

Quote the words of Failivrin (Finduilas) that brought Turin's anguish of heart to the point that he broke free of Glorund's binding spell. Found in BoLT2, Turambar and the Foalókë.



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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> O Turin Mormakil, where is thy heart; wherefore dost thou forsake me?<hr></blockquote>
<img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">

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<blockquote>Quote:<hr> O Túrin Mormakil, where is thy heart; O my beloved, wherefore dost thou forsake me?<hr></blockquote>

Good work, proceed.

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You know, that's what I had before, but my computer froze, right before I finished the post, and I had to reboot it and all, I just thought of it off the top of my mind this time!
Who was in place of Sauron in the Tale of Tinuviel?

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

Tivildo prince of cats?

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Yep, he replaced cats with dogs later on!

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

what dog didn't he replace???

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

Huan the Hound, only in BoLT, he was a wild dog, whereas in The Sil, he was a hound of Celegorm!

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

indeed <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">

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What is Nienor called in BoLT? (Before she met Glorund!)

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

Nienóri

Don't we just adore Turin and Co.?

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It seems that way! <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">
You are correct!

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

Since I've got BoLT2 in front of me still, here's another one from that book.

Who did Tinwelint say was the only one who had &quot;especial claim to so much as a handful&quot; of the hoard of Glorund, and why was he entitled to it?



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Turin because he slew Glorund?

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

Close, but not quite.

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

Don't give up, you're close!

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Turin because he was Tinwelint's foster son?

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

You were closer before.

Remember, this is after Glorund is dead, so Turin is also dead.

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Re: History of Middle Earth and Unfinished Tales

Well I hate to see this thread die. Here is the answer, within the opening paragraphs of BoLT's The Nauglafring:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Then said Tinwelint, for neither was he untouched by the golden spell: &quot;Nay then, know ye not that this gold belongs to the kindred of the Elves in common, for the Rodothlim who won it from the earth long time ago are no more, and no one has especial claim to so much as a handful save only Úrin by reason of his son Túrin, who slew the Worm, the robber of the Elves; yet Túrin is dead and Úrin will have none of it; and Túrin was my man.&quot;<hr></blockquote>

The answer I was looking for was Húrin (or Úrin). Theodred, you answered Túrin, and that's partly right. So you're up. <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">

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Who was Tar-Ancalime's husband?
Who was her son?
Who was her grandson?

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[Elendur]

12 years?

[Theodred21]

???

[Voronwe]

Her husband was Hallacar, her son was Tar-Anarion, and her grandson was Tar-Surion.

-Voronwe

[Telchar]

would somebody like to continue the thread???

hmm I could for example ask:

Who was Andreth in love with???

[Turambar]

Aegnor?

[Telchar]

You are correct Turambar - go on smilies/smile.gif

[Telchar]

Hey Turambar? Seems like you have forgotten this one smilies/smile.gif

[Turambar]

Sorry - let me dig out my books and find a good question . . .

[Telchar]

not tooo hard, please smilies/biggrin.gif

[Turambar]

A smith of Gondolin created something that was said to bring healing - who was he and what did he make?

[Telchar]

I guess you are thinking about the Elessar, made by either Enedhil or Celebrimbor depending on what your belief is... both are creditet for its making and both were at some point said to be from Gondolin.

[Turambar]

Exactly .

[Telchar]

Cirdan is in HoME said to be 'akin' to which two Elf lords?

[Elenhin]

I can't recall the names that were mentioned, but I'd guess they're Elwe and Olwe.

[ January 24, 2002: Message edited by: Elenhin ]

[Telchar]

Thats correct Elenhin - he was always credited for being akin to Olwe, but later writings published in PoME names Elwe too.

Go on please smilies/wink.gif

[Elenhin]

According to an Elven "fairy-tale" or a children's story, what were the names of the first six Elves that awoke at Cuivienen?

[ January 28, 2002: Message edited by: Elenhin ]

[Legolas]

In which case, Cirdan would also be akin to Elmo, Olwe/Elwe's brother.

BTW, this question is killing me!

[wiltonp]

Amyrlis
After reading the tale of Aldarion and Erendis in UT, I've come up with the answer of nine years. 3 years, the normal bethrothal, and 6 years gone to the sea after that...
I hope I'm right. smilies/smile.gif

[Elenhin]

Hint: One, two, three.

Hm.. as there have been no answers and a long time, I'll ask another one. (You may still answer the first one as well)

What do the words Celbin and Moerbin refer to?
(Answers to both of my questions can be found in the same text..)

[Legolas]

If we're unable to answer the first one, it seems no one will be able to answer the second one either, since they're from the same text! smilies/wink.gif

[Androndo the Thoughtfull]

Well... to help all the others i think Moerbin is dark-elves or something like that... - but I'm not sure smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Eldarion son of Aragorn]

No you're thinking of Moriquendi, I have never heard of Moerbin or Celbin and that's very strange to me...

[Orald]

Imin, Tata, Enel are the only names given in Quendi and Eldar in PoME. However, there is an earlier version if I am not mistaken that has it as being Ingwë, Finwë, and Elwë as being the oldest. As for the words Celbin and Moerbin; Celbin means elves of the great Journey and Moerbin i assume means one of the Avari.

[Legolas]

"has it as being Ingwë, Finwë, and Elwë as being the oldest."

That was my first thought, but thought there might be more - Elmo, Olwë, Lenwë?

Perhaps Durelen has it. I'm not all the way through HoME yet.

[Elenhin]

Durelen got it (almost smilies/wink.gif).

I was indeed referring to the names mentioned in "Quendi and Eldar" (which is in WotJ): Imin and Iminye, Tata and Tatie, Enel and Enelye. The names meant one, two and three in both masculine and feminine forms.

Celbin and Moerbin were originally related to the Qyenya words Calaquendi and Moriquendi, but their meanings were different. Celbin meant those who were fighting Morgoth in the War of the Jewels (both Elves and Men) and Moerbin meant the opposite (Elves and Men not fighting against Morgoth; Avari and Easterlings for example).

[Orald]

So my turn? Well I will go anyway. What was Alboin's name in Numenor?

[Orald]

I can see this one need's a hint, it isn't Elendil, but...

[Watcher in the Water]

Anarion?

[Telchar]

Isildur

[Theodred21]

Hey Telchar, long time no see! smilies/biggrin.gif How have you been? smilies/smile.gif

[Orald]

Nope and nope. It was neither Anarion nor Isildur. Think about the hint some more.

[Theodred21]

Amandil

[Elenhin]

Hm.. Herendil.
(IIRC, that's what Elendil's son was called in the Lost Road.)

[Orald]

You got it Elenhin. You go.

[Elenhin]

Who were Damrod and Díriel?

[Voronwe]

The former names of Amrod and Amras, the twin sons of Fëanor. Damrod's name was later given to one of the men under Faramir's command in Ithilien.

[Elenhin]

Correct, go on Voronwe.

[Voronwe]

From what house of the Edain was Erendis descended?

[Mat_Heathertoes]

The House of Bëor

[Voronwe]

Quite correct. Proceed.

[Mat_Heathertoes]

Who is Lady of the Isle of Tol Eressëa ?

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Meril-i-Turinqi

[Mat_Heathertoes]

As usual ... Bruce cleaves the webs of doubt with his mattock of truth ....over to he ....

[Bruce MacCulloch]

What is Mar Vanya Tyaliéva?

[Mat_Heathertoes]

The Cottage of Lost Play

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Absolutely correct, Mat! (As if there was ever any doubt)

[Mat_Heathertoes]

Many thanks Mr Macc

What did Taur Danin evolve into in later writings ?

[Nefwathiel Teleri]

Carn Dum? smilies/confused.gif

[Mat_Heathertoes]

Alas no, Nefwathiel

[Voronwe]

Dorthonion?

[Mat_Heathertoes]

All yours Voronwë smilies/biggrin.gif

[Voronwe]

In Tolkien's early writings, who discovered the Vale of Sleep, and what did he find there?

[Telchar]

Oromë - the sleeping bodies of Men???? This is just guessing

[Mat_Heathertoes]

Nuin, the dark elf, who discovered the land of Hildorien before the rising of the Sun and found sleeping forms of mankind and awoke two, Ermon and Elmir and taught them to speak.

[Voronwe]

As always, Mat is completely correct.

[Voronwe]

What's become of Mat, I wonder? Would someone else care to ask a question instead?

[Voronwe]

No? In that case I will ask one. Who did Galadriel meet at Tharbad on the Greyflood?

[Telchar]

Celebrimbor?

[Voronwe]

Nope.

[twinkle]

Aldarion....

"It is also slated that "no records are now left of the later voyages that Aldarion made," but that "it is known that he went much on land as well as sea, and went up the River Gwathló as far as Tharbad, and there met Galadriel." There is no mention elsewhere of this meeting; but at that time Galadriel and Celeborn were dwelling in Eregion, at no great distance from Tharbad." -UT

smilies/smile.giftwinkle

[ March 22, 2002: Message edited by: twinkle ]

[Voronwe]

You are, of course, quite correct. Ask away.

[twinkle]

ty voronwe....
this is my first question in quiz, so bear with me smilies/wink.gif
'So be they,' said Lindo, 'though concerning them Men
tell many strange and garbled tales that are far from the truth,
and many strange names they call them that you will not hear
here', but Vaire said: 'Nay then, Lindo, be not drawn into
more tale-telling tonight, for the hour of rest is at hand, and
for all his eagerness our guest is way-worn. Send now for the
candles of sleep, and more tales to his head's filling and his
heart's satisfying the wanderer shall have on the morrow.'


who is this guest?

[Orogaerion]

Eriol visiting the cottage of lost play

[twinkle]

right you are Orogaerion....
your turn now smilies/smile.gif

twinkle

[twinkle]

well, it's been two weeks and no sign of Orogaerion whatsoever....
to not let this cool quiz become buried in oblivion, let me ask another question then....

who was forced to cast down his golden collar, by whom and to what purpose?

twinkle

[Voronwe]

Tevildo, Prince of Cats, by Huan. He was forced to give it up so Tinuviel could use it as a token of his authority to rescue Beren.

[twinkle]

correct as ever, Voronwe....
i bow to thee smilies/wink.gif

your turn again...

twinkle

[Voronwe]

Who was the only person known to have referred to Eru during the third age?

[Turambar]

Cirion, in his oath of friendship, refers to Eru (in Quenya).

[Voronwe]

Quite correct.

[Turambar]

Whose (heraldric) sign was a sable mole ? http://www.plauder-smilies.de/pyth.gif

[Mat_Heathertoes]

Why, that would be coat of arms of Meglin/Maeglin of Gondolin

[Turambar]

Correct, Mat.

[Mat_Heathertoes]

what is/was the Burning Briar and what is it called in Quenya ?

[twinkle]

"Many names have these [the Seven Stars] been called, but in the old days of the North both Elves and Men called them the Burning Briar, and some the Sickle of the Gods."

Sickle of the Gods or Valacirca
twinkle

[Mat_Heathertoes]

Correct Twinkle, you may proceed.

[twinkle]

what was Nardol, where was it, what was its purpose?

[Elfalmari]

Nardol was one of the signal beacons of Gondor, used to quickly spread a message or summons throughout the kingdom.

[twinkle]

that's absolutely correct Elfalmari....
please continue smilies/smile.gif

twinkle

[Legolas]

During what season did Morwen send Túrin off to Thingol?

[Mat_Heathertoes]

Autumn

[Legolas]

Yes, of course.

[Legolas]

Mat hasn't been around in quite sometime. To continue this thread...

Who did Círdan send south under the direction of Ulmo?

[Eruhen]

I want to say Voronwë, but I don't think that's right.

[Telchar]

hmmm - Gelmir and Arminas?

[Legolas]

Yes, Telchar.

[Telchar]

Under what other name do we know Belegor?

[zifnab]

Morgoth?

[Telchar]

Yeah! you go Ziffy smilies/wink.gif

[zifnab]

Whose "Fëanorian lamp" let Turin stare on the face of the slain Beleg?

[Eruhen]

Voronwë.

[Lindolirian]

No, it would be the lamp of Gwindor. Tuor, Turin's cousin saw the lamp of Voronwë.

[Legolas]

Looks like zifnab's out for a while - go ahead Lind!

[Lindolirian]

As I brush away the dust in the back halls of the Quiz Room, I find a thread that is in my control. How silly of me!

Who were the Falmarindi?

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

The Falmari are the Sea Elves, those of the Teleri who went to Aman. I will guess, though I'm likely wrong, that Falmarindi is an early form for that same group?

Sophia

[Annunfuiniel]

Falmaríni were the spirits of sea foam that followed Ossë&Ónen(Uinen) to Arda. Is that the answer you are looking for?

~Annun

[Lindolirian]

Sorry for the misspelling. Yes, it was Sophia's answer I was looking for.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Hm, this may be much too easy, but:

Who was Gandalf's original captor?

[Tulkas the Mighty]

Saruman?

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

No Sir.

[Samwise Gamgee]

Morgoth at the dungeons of Dol Guldur?

[Samwise Gamgee]

Actually - I mean sauron - but he is referred to as morgoth, or am I just mixed up (as usual)

[GaladrieloftheOlden]

Sauron and Morgoth are different people smilies/smile.gif

~Menelien

[Samwise Gamgee]

OK, well then my answer is by Sauron in the dungeons of Dol Guldur - FINAL answer