LotR: Lord of the Rebus

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

A rebus is a puzzle where pictures, letters, or numbers stand for words or parts of words. This game would be a little different, as it involves addition and subtraction, and it involves LotR-related stuff.

Example:

Ringwraiths(Black speech) - ring(Black speech) + carach(English) = an Easterling

Answer:

Nazgûl[Ringwraith] - nazg[ring] = ul

ul + fang[carach] = Ulfang

Notes:

It would be good if all elements were connected to Middle-earth. Elements could either be translations, descriptions, pictures, or...cryptic clues! smilies/evil.gif

Operations will be from left to right, unless you put parentheses in groups you want done first.


I guess that's it. My first example:

(Mortals[Quenya] - cottage[Quenya]) + (A son of Elrond - (Horselords[Sindarin] - host[Sindarin]) = A daughter of kings.

Good luck! smilies/cool.gif

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 8:34 PM January 13, 2004: Message edited by: Nilpaurion Felagund ]

[Finwe]

Firiel?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Good show, immortal Sol!

Your turn.

[Finwe]

Ok then... now to try my hand at this newfangled game...


(Famous ship piloted by heroes) + (Given name of a Doom-pronouncing Vala - Spanish love) = lesser-known, rather debated son of a King who challenged and lost.

Try making head or tails of that one, although it actually isn't all that hard.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Before I answer the question, may I ask a question: Are you hidden, Finwe? If yes, why?

Is the answer Baldor?

[Finwe]

The answer isn't Baldor.


P.S. "Hidden?"

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I didn't see your name on "Who's Online?" Oh...never mind.

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Ship=Argo (Jason and the Argonauts)
Vala=Namo (Mandos)
Spanish love=amo

Argo+Namo-amo=Argon

[Finwe]

Right-o! Your go!

*chuckles at her childish rhyme*

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Son of Beor the Old - (Moon (speech of the Noldor) - A half of the World) + (source-river of Anduin - colour of one of the Istari) = Lord of a Dark Place

[The Saucepan Man]

Son of Beor the Old = Baran
Moon (speech of the Noldor) = Rana
A half of the World = A (half of Ea)
Source-river of Anduin = Greylin
Colour of one of the Istari = Grey (Gandalf the)

Baran - (Rana - A) + (Greylin - Grey) = Balin, Lord of a Dark Place

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Well done The Saucepan Man. Your go.

[The Saucepan Man]

Thank you Elrond. smilies/smile.gif

Bearer of Bilbo + (Scented Plant - (X's Niece - Her Great Granddaughter) + (One of Beor's House - Builder of the Golden Hall)) = X's Land

This should be fairly easy if you can work out who X is. smilies/wink.gif

[Lindolirian]

When you say "Her Great Granddaughter" are you talking about the niece's great granddaughter or X's?

[The Saucepan Man]

Oops! Sorry for the delay.

In answer to your question, Lindol, I'm looking for X's niece's granddaughter.

Any takers?

[Finwe]

Dor-lomin?

[The Saucepan Man]

Finwe, that may be correct. But then again, it may not. I'm not saying 'til you give me all the component parts of the sum. smilies/tongue.gif smilies/wink.gif

[NightKnight]

Bearer of Bilbo + (Scented Plant - (X's Niece - Her Great Granddaughter) + (One of Beor's House - Builder of the Golden Hall)) = X's Land

Bearer of Bilbo = Dori
Scented Plant = Athelas
X = Thingol
X's Niece = Eärwen
Her Great Granddaughter = Arwen
One of Beor's House = Bregolas
Builder of the Golden Hall = Brego

Dori + (Athelas - (Eärwen - Arwen) + (Bregolas - Brego)) = X's Land

Dori + (Athelas - (E + Las) = X's Land

Dori + Ath = Doriath

smilies/biggrin.gif

[The Saucepan Man]

A perfect answer, NightKnight. smilies/smile.gif

Pray proceed.

[NightKnight]

Alrighty then, here it comes:

Pip's Father - Silent[Sindarin] + N + (Noldorin City - (First Age Book - Jewel)) = Stone

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Pippin's father=Paladin
Silent(Sindarin)=Din
N=N
City of the Noldor=Tirion
Book of the First Age=Silmarill(?)ion
Jewel=Silmaril

Paladin-Din+N+(Tirion-(Silmarilion-Silmaril)
=Palan+(Tirion-Ion)
=Palantir=Stone

Greetings,
EfR

[NightKnight]

Yeah, that's right. Carry on. smilies/smile.gif

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Okay, here we go:

(Companion of Glaurung's Bane - Sindarin for "Land") + (Companion of Mablung - Son of Feanor) + A half of the World + (Part of the Eastern boundary of the Shire - Great River) + Colour of a famous book - 2(Great Sea in Middle-Earth - Sindarin for "Heart") - The other half of the World = Mountain

N.B. The "2" is not a typo!

EfR

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Hey, <b>Elrond of Rivendell</b>! These two get an error message in my brain:

<hr>
A half of the World

The other half of the World

<hr>

Are these actual halves of the world, or half of the names for the world?

Thanks! :cool:
->Elenrod

[Evisse the Blue]

I thought at first the 1st half = Ar; the 2nd = da; but this got me nowhere :(
EfR, I think a hint is in order...

[Miriel]

Or one half = e, the other = a, maybe.....
I've given up on working this out myself, ;) so does anyone (particularly Elrond of Rivendell) mind if I post what I worked out in the hope that it can guide someone else to the answer?

[Finwe]

(Gwindor - dor) = Gwin

(Damrod - Amrod) = D

(half of the world) = e

(Baranduin - Anduin) = Bar

Red

2(Rhun - hun) = 2(R)

(Other half of the world) = a

Gwin + D + e + Bar + Red - R - R - a

= Gwindebed


That sounds remarkably like Mount Gundabad, so I'll go ahead and make that my official guess.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Since EfR is not here, I guess it'll have to be given to the one who guessed.

That's you, Finwe. :)

[Evisse the Blue]

*bump* Finwe?

[Finwe]

Ah... right... sorry then...

(Life that we breathe - r) + (Elvish under) + (Elvish vocal performance) + (Elven foot) + Note = a masterful performance


Yeah... this ones probably going to be really easy... Stupid fatigue headaches don't let me think...

[Firefoot]

Life that we breathe-r = air
Elvish under = nu
Elvish vocal performance = lin
Elvish foot = tal
Note = la

(air-r)+nu+lin+tal+la=ainulintalla

Sounds like Ainulindale.

[Finwe]

Yup. Your go.

[Firefoot]

Here goes:

(Wizards - Elvish feminine high) + (Northern lamp - Elvish blue) + (Darklord's stronghold - Elvish tower) + 2(Sirion fen - black rock) + (Elvish speak -(tree shepherd - t)) + (Bergil's uncle - (fearful companion - d)) + (Land of Holly - southern part of Doriath - e) = shard bearer

[Finwe]

(Istari - tari) = IS

+

(Illuin - luin) = IL

+

(Barad-dur - barad) = DUR

+

2(Serech - erech) = S S

+

(Quenrë - (Ent - e)) = QURE

+

(Iorlas - (Dorlas - d)) = I

+

(Eregion - Region - e) = (nothing)

= Isildur's Squire

= OHTAR


(The "Elvish speak" clue threw me off until I got to the end.)

[Firefoot]

Yes, Finwe, go ahead.

Looks like I added an extra ER into Eregion...but you got it anyway.

[Finwe]

All right... here goes...


(Lovesick Elf - metal pole) + (Tree-guardian - Elvish dual ending) + (Fiery tragedy - Elvish war - proud boast - exclamation of pain) = A famous Elf with a lesser-known, much-debated history

[symestreem]

(Lovesick Elf - metal pole) + (Tree-guardian - Elvish dual ending) + (Fiery tragedy - Elvish war - proud boast - exclamation of pain) = A famous Elf with a lesser-known, much-debated history

(Finrod - rod) + (ent - t) + (Dagor Bragollach - Dagor - brag - o) = A famous Elf with a lesser-known, much-debated history

(Fin) + (en) + (llach) = Finenllach, Finellach, or Finlachen, however you want to spell it. An obscure name for Gil-galad.

[Finwe]

I was looking for Finellach, and yes indeed, you got it. Carry on.

[symestreem]

(Uncle of Beren minus [night-sighted elf minus lower appendage] - expression of cold - the last remaining letter) + (Bor's "shortest" son- not timid- the beginning of Elvish east) = a very big object and a cry

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

(Grandfather of Beren - [night-sighted elf - lower appendage] - expression of cold - the last remaining letter) + (Bor's "shortest" son- not timid- the beginning of Elvish east) = a very big object and a cry

(Bregolas - [Legolas- leg] - br - [last letter]) + (Borlad - Bold - r) =
(Bregolas - olas - br - [last letter]) + (a) =
(e) + (a) =
Eä, Ilúvatar's command, and name of the universe.

[NightKnight]

Bregolas was Beren's uncle, not his grandfather.

[symestreem]

NightKnight, you're right. I don't know how I missed that.
Despite my stupidity, Nilpaurion got it. Pray continue.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

So would you mind waiting for my next puzzle? :)

[NightKnight]

No problem, but we expect a real masterpiece. ;)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Here is my puzzle.
Prepare to be...well, not masterpiecified.

1/(Name for two old Elves, and new Wild Men) + (Sindarin for waters below the priest - (dead laughter - (Culúrien's epessë - (33rd tengwa + chorus of creation - (holy one + beside the Lonely Mountain))))) = a treacherous lover.

1/something = gnihtemos. Get it?

EDIT: Too many things wrong.

[symestreem]

33rd tehta ?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Sorry. Edited.

[Finwe]

Could it be Maeglin?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

It just missed... :)

Shout for hints...or confusing elements - like symestreem did. ;)

[symestreem]

Is "Sindarin for waters below the priest" a cryptic clue?
And
did it say "wasters below the priest" before, or am I losing my mind (more)?

Arithmetic question:
Does
1/(Name for two old elves, and new Wild Men) mean
(1/Name for two old elves) + (1/New Wild Men), (1/[Name for two old elves + new Wild Men]), are the elves and the Wild Men the same answer, or am I totally missing the point?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

did it say "wasters below the priest" before, or am I losing my mind (more)?

Edited that. And yea, verily 'tis cryptic.

1/(Name for two old elves, and new Wild Men)
There are two "old" - note the quotation marks; they're not old due to age - Elves, and "new" Wild Men, that share a single name.

Hope that cleared things up. :)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Anyone, please?

[The Perky Ent]

It is sooo obvious! I can't believe you didn't get it! It is obviously....hint?

[Finwe]

Gorlim? Sauron?

[symestreem]

Lomion?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

1. If you give an answer, all variables in the equation must be given their value.

2. "a treacherous lover" is not evil.

3. "old" and "new" has something to do with BoLT and the rest of the canon.

There, Perks! Two hints.

And as for all your guesses... :p

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Somebody guess!!!

I'm begging you!!!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I just want this thread resuscitated. :cool:

Reposting question:

1/(Name for two old Elves, and new Wild Men) + (Sindarin for waters below the priest - (dead laughter - (Culúrien's epessë - 33rd tengwa - (chorus of creation - holy one - beside the Lonely Mountain)))) = a treacherous lover.

Note: I just modified it a bit to remove a set of parentheses, and to lessen confusion. But it still yields the same result.

Now, anyone?

[NightKnight]

Hmm, I got the last part.

"(chorus of creation - holy one - beside the Lonely Mountain)"

Ainulindale - Ainu - Dale = Lin

I can't really find the epesse of Culurien/Laurelin, since I can't find one with an H in it... Oh well. Hope this helps someone.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Culúrien's epesse is Laurelin!

I'll give away one more clue . . .

Name for two old Elves, and new Wild Men is Rog. Hope that helps . . .

[NightKnight]

But isn't the 33rd tengwa H?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I was referring to the name of the 33rd tengwa. ;)

[Evisse the Blue]

The name of the 33rd letter (h) is hyarmen. Is this the one you had in mind? :confused:
Is 'dead laughter' Lalaith?
This is one tough riddle. Me very confused...

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

It should have been "36th tengwa", not "33rd". Major syntax error.

And yes, Ms. Evisse, Lalaith is the "dead laugher".

[Urwen]

I know it! Gorlim!

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[Nerwen]

I know it! Gorlim!

I think you're right, Urwen– if I understand how these puzzles work, which I'm not sure I do.

The question is, does Nilp himself remember what the answer was, after all this time?

[Galadriel55]

I like rebuses, so I attempted this.

([named by shapeshifter] - [elvish noble] - stone) + ([where an unlikely pair ended their days] - island - g) + ([a jolly dancer] - [and anon]) + ([elvish winter] - ([blue water!?] - blue - R2)) + ([quenya for a hidden rock] - action! - song) = between a great one and an iron one in days past

[Pitchwife]

Kicking a spambot off the main page:

([named by shapeshifter] - [elvish noble] - stone)
Carrock - ar - rock = C

([where an unlikely pair ended their days] - island - g)
Tol Galen - tol - g = alen

([a jolly dancer] - [and anon])
(no idea)

([elvish winter] - ([blue water!?] - blue - R2))
(no idea; 'winter' in Elvish would be Q hrívë, S rhîw IIRC, and 'blue water' something like luinen, but what do droids have to do with either?)

([quenya for a hidden rock] - action! - song)
Gondolin* - go! - lin = ndo

= between a great one and an iron one in days past
= Calen - ? - ? - ndo?
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*but I think that's actually Sindarin, and Q would be Ondolindë.

[Galadriel55]

Woohoo!!! I get to tell what's right and what's not! :D

([named by shapeshifter] - [elvish noble] - stone)
Carrock - ar - rock = C

([where an unlikely pair ended their days] - island - g)
Tol Galen - tol - g = alen

That's correct!

[B]([elvish winter] - ([blue water!?] - blue - R2))
(no idea; 'winter' in Elvish would be Q hrívë, S rhîw IIRC, and 'blue water' something like luinen, but what do droids have to do with either?)[B]

"Water" is not the best description, but it would have been way too easy if I was clearer... You're correct with hrive.

*but I think that's actually Sindarin, and Q would be Ondolindë.

Yes, it's Ondolinde in Q. Try working with that.

[Pitchwife]

(... and I get to kick another spambot. Hooray!)

([named by shapeshifter] - [elvish noble] - stone)
Carrock - ar - rock = C

([where an unlikely pair ended their days] - island - g)
Tol Galen - tol - g = alen

([a jolly dancer] - [and anon])
Everard - ever = ard

([elvish winter] - ([blue water!?] - blue - R2))
hrívë - (river - r2) = h

([quenya for a hidden rock] - action! - song)
Ondolindë - do - lindë = on

= between a great one and an iron one in days past
= Calenardhon!
(between the Great River = Anduin and the Iron River = Angren, I suppose)

[Galadriel55]

Your turn! :D