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Drew2K1

03-24-2001, 03:20 PM

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1) Who is the chief among the Valar ?
2) Name the 3 prime races of Elves.
3) Which creature is the ancestor of Shelob ?
4) Sauron was who's leutenant ?
5) Name the Creator of the 3 jewels.

Not too hard I should think

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Beregond

03-24-2001, 05:15 PM

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1- Manwe
2- Noldor, Sindar, ???
3- Ungoliant
4- Morgoth/Melkor
5- Feanor

I hope I gottem' right!

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enep

03-26-2001, 01:23 AM

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Noldor, Sindar, Vanyar mayhaps???

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Sharkû

03-26-2001, 04:42 AM

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Didn't you two read the Silmarillion <img src=wink.gif ALT=";)"> ?
Vanyar-Noldor-Teleri

btw, I do not want to ask the next q., Beregond got most of it.

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Beregond

03-26-2001, 06:20 AM

Odysseus819

03-26-2001, 07:10 AM

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A lock of her hair, to cherish and to save in some sort of crystal locket.

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Beregond

03-26-2001, 09:08 AM

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Exactly! Carry on! <img src=laugh.gif ALT=":lol">

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Odysseus819

03-26-2001, 10:01 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: "The Silmarillion" quiz

OK I'll return to the theme in the name of this thread --

Who is reported to have been the only child of Iluvatar who crossed the Ered Gorgoroth in the elder days?

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Sharkû

03-26-2001, 01:30 PM

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Beren?

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Odysseus819

03-26-2001, 02:02 PM

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Correct !

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Grond

03-29-2001, 03:14 PM

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Sharku?

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Sharkû

03-30-2001, 01:10 PM

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Sorry.

Where in Middle-Earth could many specimens of Ilex Aquifolium be found?

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Grond

03-30-2001, 02:11 PM

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In the woods of Ithilien?

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Sharkû

03-30-2001, 02:34 PM

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Hmm, maybe, but there is a region which is more obvious.

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HerenIstarion

03-31-2001, 02:41 AM

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At the crossroads, where hobbits and Gollum hid themselves before turning towards Minas Morgul

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Sharkû

03-31-2001, 02:05 PM

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Hmm, hmm, no. It's too obvious once you know it, but then you'd only accept one answer.

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04-01-2001, 01:35 PM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: "The Silmarillion" quiz

Eregion ("Hollin")?

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Sharkû

04-02-2001, 06:06 AM

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Exactly! Next one please, Odysseus!

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Odysseus819

04-02-2001, 07:29 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: "The Silmarillion" quiz

Who was known as Nóm, by whom, and what does this signify?

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Sharkû

04-02-2001, 07:37 AM

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Finrod Felagund, the name Nóm means 'the wise', given to him by the Edain in his retinue.

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Odysseus819

04-02-2001, 12:29 PM

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You knocked that one right out of the park. You may ask.

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Sharkû

04-02-2001, 02:04 PM

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After which location was Elwing Dior's daughter named?

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Odysseus819

04-02-2001, 02:34 PM

Sharkû

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Yep. Proceedo

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Odysseus819

04-03-2001, 10:18 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: "The Silmarillion" quiz

Name three beings who physically fought with Sauron.

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Beregond

04-03-2001, 12:35 PM

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Elendil, Gil-galad, Isildur, and Huan. Luthien and Finrod both fought with Sauron as well, though not quite physicaly.

<img src=biggrin.gif ALT=":D">

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Odysseus819

04-04-2001, 04:39 AM

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Correct, Beregond

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Beregond

04-04-2001, 06:34 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: "The Silmarillion" quiz

What/Where was Min-Rimmon? <img src=roll.gif ALT=":rollin">

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Amandil

04-07-2001, 04:30 PM

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Min-Rimmon was the 3rd-most west of the beacon-hills on the edge of the White Mountains that allowed Gondor to call on Rohan during times of need. Great fires would be kindled that could be seen from the next hill, allowing the message to pass further along the chain to Rohan. From east to west they were: Amon Din, Eilenach, Nardol, Erelas, Min-Rimmon, Calenhad, and Halifirien on the borders of Rohan. (RotK, Ch1). I don't remember Min-Rimmon anywhere in the Silmarillion, though.

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Beregond

04-08-2001, 09:55 AM

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Correct, Carry on!

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Amandil

04-08-2001, 10:13 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: "The Silmarillion" quiz

What/how large was Armenelos?

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Beregond

04-10-2001, 06:11 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: "The Silmarillion" quiz

Armenelos was a city in Numenor, and I don't know how big it was, but I assume it was very large! <img src=laugh.gif ALT=":lol">

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04-10-2001, 07:33 AM

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Doh! I meant to ask about the temple that Sauron caused to be built in Armenelos! <img src=ohwell.gif ALT=":\"> You answered the question as I asked it, Beregond. Your serve.<img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">

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Beregond

04-10-2001, 07:56 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: "The Silmarillion" quiz

Who was the son of Eol?

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Grond

04-10-2001, 08:29 AM

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Maeglin.

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Odysseus819

05-01-2001, 06:26 AM

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Beregond -- Grond is correct, right?

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Beregond

05-01-2001, 07:30 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: "The Silmarillion" quiz

Sorry about that! Yes, that's correct. <img src=redface.gif ALT=":O">

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Grond

05-02-2001, 11:37 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: "The Silmarillion" quiz

What was Anghabar?

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Drew2K1

05-03-2001, 11:09 AM

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Was Anghabar not a mine around the Gondolin area?

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Grond

05-05-2001, 07:42 AM

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It was, your turn to ask, Drew2K1.

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Drew2K1

05-05-2001, 11:02 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: "The Silmarillion" quiz

Name either of the Havens of Beleriand?
Not very hard I know....

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Telchar

05-05-2001, 11:07 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Havens

Brinthombar and Eglarest

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05-05-2001, 01:24 PM

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Although I said either.
Pray countinue the thread Telchar.

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Telchar

05-05-2001, 06:12 PM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> hmm

What was the third battle of Beleriand called?

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05-06-2001, 07:02 AM

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I believe it was called the Glorious batlle. I'm not too sure what is was in Elvish, do you want that too?

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Grond

05-06-2001, 02:43 PM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/narya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: hmm

Was the elvish name Dagor Aglareb?

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Telchar

05-07-2001, 04:34 AM

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Drew got it...

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05-07-2001, 09:25 AM

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Who was the father of Gil-Galad?

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05-07-2001, 09:49 AM

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Fingon.

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05-07-2001, 12:50 PM

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You are correct, please countinue....

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Telchar

05-07-2001, 11:02 PM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/narya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Gil-Galad

So because this is a quiz thread about SILM, the wrong awnser suddenly becomes correct?

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Drew2K1

05-08-2001, 10:18 AM

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Whats wrong?

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Telchar

05-08-2001, 11:58 PM

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Hi Drew
The Awnser is correct... according to the Silmarillion!
JRRT changed his opinion on the parentage of Gil-Galad - in fact many times. For a more clear awnser you should read the exelent post/article by Tar Elenion entitled "The Parentage of Orodreth and Gil-galad: A History" in the SILM Canon forum.

From which you will see that it is very difficult to awnser your question according to the HoME - and JRRT later opinions on this matter which is not totally clear, at least to me <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)"> ...

Cheers Telchar

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Odysseus819

05-09-2001, 08:10 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: The silmarillion's quiz

Who was High King of the Eldar in Tirion?

KIDDING !!!!! (To get this joke you have to read the thread "Aragorn's Ancestors" on page 4 of THE BOOKS)

I'll think of a proper Silm question shortly.

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Telchar

05-09-2001, 08:19 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: The silmarillion's quiz

According to SILM:
To start with Ingwe of the Vanyar - Then Finwë before the banishment of Feanor, then Fingolfin, second son of Finwë - For a short while after the Sack of Formenos it would be Feanor and after the Rebellion of the Noldor Finwes third son Finarfin, which I suspect is who you're looking fore. Only I dont know who would be high king in the period between the leaving of the nordor and the return of Finarfin some years later...

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Odysseus819

05-09-2001, 11:04 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: The silmarillion's quiz

NO NO NO that was a joke, you didn't read my whole post ! A related question about the kingship sparked a large brouhaha over this question (I gave the cite), of which the "Gil-galad Who's Your Daddy?" question reminded me. I'll come up with a real question within a day.

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Telchar

05-09-2001, 11:19 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Joke

I know ...

I only awnsered because it amused me *G*

Cheers Telchar

PS Anyway, according to SILM all my awnsers stand, and are not up for discussion *LOL*

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Odysseus819

05-09-2001, 11:23 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Joke

You're asking for it, Telchar. If Michael Martinez or Tar Elenion are out there, they will give you 42 reasons (with citations) why you are completely wrong -- and would remain so even if you reversed your answer. Did you read that "Aragorn's Ancestors" thread?

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Telchar

05-09-2001, 11:29 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Try me...

Ohh... no you dont!

This is a Published Silmarillion Quiz-thread and all my awnsers hold thight, according to the Published Silmarillion!!!

I am very much aware that they (my awnsers) are not in accord with Tolkiens later opinion on the Subject. That is why I found it amusing to awnser the way I did...

Cheers Telchar - and thanks for the fun.. <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">

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Odysseus819

05-09-2001, 11:55 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Try me...

Yeah you're right -- it's a jurisdictional issue -- this is SILM-land and we don't need no string cites from History of Middle Earth. OK I'm working on a Silm question . . .

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Odysseus819

05-11-2001, 05:50 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Try me...

When did the Valar (temporarily) "[lay] down their government of Arda"?

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HerenIstarion

05-11-2001, 06:22 AM

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when Ar-Pharazon and the Numenoreans set foot in Aman

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Odysseus819

05-11-2001, 09:21 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Try me...

Correct, H-I.

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Odysseus819

05-23-2001, 05:32 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Try me...

H-I?

By practice taught, I have learned patience, having much endured By tempest and in battle both. Come then This evil also! I am well prepared.</p>

Maglor68

05-29-2001, 12:11 PM

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Hello all. I've been waiting for like a week to chime in on this thread. With apologies to the moderator (hopefully this isn't too large of a breach of etiquette), I'd like to start a new question:

According to the Silmarillion (just so there is no confusion), who is Elrond's oldest living ascendent, and how many generations is he seperated from that person?

Bonus - Of all the people Elrond is descended from who is mentioned in the Silmarillion, which is the one he is seperated from by the most generations and how many?

- Maglor

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Telchar

05-30-2001, 12:25 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: New question

To your first question: Guessing Indis of the Vanyar who would be Elronds Great-Great-Great Grand Mother.

The Bonus: Marach, first recorded chieftain of the third house of the edain!
Elrond-Eärendil-Tuor-Huor-Galdor-Hador-Hathol-Magor-Aradan-MARACH: Elronds Great-Great-Great Great-Great-Great Grand Father

<img src=smokin.gif ALT=":smokin"> T

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Maglor68

05-30-2001, 05:26 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Elrond

You're the man, Telchar! Admit it - you looked up Marach's line in the Sil, didn't you?

Your question, dude.

- Maglor

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Telchar

05-30-2001, 05:51 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Elrond

Actually I didn't - the diagram of the house of Haleth (in my edition of SILM) doesn't contain the names of -Hathol-Magor-Aradan- (although they are included in the index) so I used The complete guide to Middle-Earth to fill in the gaps... hope it is OK <img src=laugh.gif ALT=":lol">

I wasn't sure if Indis lived - did she reamain in Aman - I guess so??? Anyway - here goes:

Q: who held Tuor captive in three years?

Anar kaluva tielyanna!</p>

Beregond

05-30-2001, 08:56 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Elrond

Lorgan the Easterling?

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Telchar

05-30-2001, 09:04 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Elrond

That is correct - proceed <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">

Anar kaluva tielyanna!</p>

Maglor68

05-30-2001, 11:29 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Indis

Actually, the fate of Indis is unknown. There is no reason to believe that she was slain with Finwe (all other elves having fled), and I'm sure it would have been mentioned if she went with the exiles. My guess is she either went back to Ingwe's house or stayed with Finarfin.

- Maglor

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Beregond

05-30-2001, 05:40 PM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Indis

What did Eonwe do after the War of Wrath?

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Telchar

05-31-2001, 12:47 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Indis

He went home to have a well deserved cold one <img src=laugh.gif ALT=":lol">

Anar kaluva tielyanna!</p>

Maglor68

05-31-2001, 05:43 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Eonwe

He screwed up big time by

1) Leaving lax security around the Silmarils,
2) Allowing Maehdros and Maglor to depart with the Silmarils unhindered
3) Not hauling Sauron back to Aman in chains when he had the chance

He also summoned all of the elves (or maybe just the Noldor?) to return with him to Aman.

- Maglor

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Beregond

05-31-2001, 07:05 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Eonwe

Maglor is correct, though I don't doubt Telchar is right as well! <img src=biggrin.gif ALT=":D">

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Maglor68

05-31-2001, 10:34 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Maia

All of the Valar had 'families' of Maia associated with them. However, only eight (excluding Melkor) had Maia specifically named to them in the books. Which were these, and which were their Maia?

For purposes of this question, only count those mentioned in the main books (Hobbit, LOTR, Silmarillion, UT). Info in Sil supercedes info in UT.

- Maglor

By the way, I don't have the answers at the tip of my fingers, so I actually have to go look this up!

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The Watcher in the Water

05-31-2001, 06:36 PM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: The silmarillion's quiz

Just Without looking at the Books i thought i'd have a shot and see how many i could come up with...

Olorin - Manwe
Osse - Ulmo
Uinen? - Ulmo
Melian - Yavanna?
Sauron - Melkor (originally of Aule?)
Then there were the two who became the sun and the moon but i have forgotten who they were...

Well i think i stuffed that up a bit... better go study for the answer <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">

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Telchar

06-01-2001, 12:08 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: The silmarillion's quiz

I have another guess

Eönwe to Manwe
Osse - Ulmo
Uinen - Ulmo
Salmar - Ulmo
Sauron - Melkor (originally of Aule!)
Saruman to Aule
Ilmarë to Varda
Melian - Yavanna?
Rdagast - Yavanna
Alatar to Oromë
Pallando to Oromë
Olorin - Irmo/Lorien - although he was sendt to ME at the bidding of Manwe and Varda, but he also spend much time with Nienna

Thats 12 Maiar connected to 8 different Valar - I cant come up with more <img src=frown.gif ALT=":(">

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The Watcher in the Water

06-01-2001, 12:39 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: The silmarillion's quiz

Yeah that all sounds good to me...

Did you look some of those up or knew them all from memory... if i may ask?

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Telchar

06-01-2001, 01:40 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: The silmarillion's quiz

hmmm... I had to look up the spelling of Ilmarë up I couldn't remember if it were Ilmarë or Ilmarien - And I had just made a reply in the istari in the book forum so the Maiar of Heren Istarion were fresh in my mind,

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Maglor68

06-01-2001, 05:41 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Valar/Maiar

Not bad Telchar. You only forgot one that I can think of. I also probably should have specified a time period (to resolve the Sauron serves Aule or Melkor problem, for example).

If we look at the Maiar at the time they descended into Arda, than we have

Manwe Eonwe
Ulmo Osse, Uinen, Salmar
Aule Sauron, Saruman
Orome Alatar, Pallamdo, Tilion
Lorien Melian
Varda Ilmare
Yavanna Radagast
Nienna Olorin

Also, even though she was not corrupted by him, I assume that as a fire spirit Arien was part of Melkor's retinue before he went bad.

Melkor Arien, Gothmog

It is unknown to whom Tom Bombadil and Goldberry belonged.

I guess it's you, Telchar.

By the way - who is Salmar?

- Maglor

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Grond

06-01-2001, 05:47 AM

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I'd like to sayonly a couple of things:

"Then there were the two who became the sun and the moon but i have forgotten who they were..." -> Arien and Tilion.

Saruman and Radagast were known as Curumo and Aiwendil. Saruman and Radagast are not properly maiar, but istari (since they were invested in human bodies they were tied to the world and things like this...)

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Telchar

06-01-2001, 06:46 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Valar/Maiar

A couple of things ...

Arien was not fire spirit or not connected in any way to Melkor - So DAMN YOU - I had to go and look it up! <img src=cool.gif ALT="8)"> <img src=cool.gif ALT="8)"> <img src=cool.gif ALT="8)"> - Originally she tended the golden flowers in gardens of the Valie Vana! So we can add a Ninth Vala to the list!

Manwe = Eonwe
Ulmo = Osse, Uinen, Salmar
Aule = Sauron, Saruman
Orome = Alatar, Pallamdo, Tilion (nice finding)
Lorien/Irmo = Olorin
Varda = Ilmare
Yavanna = Radagast and Melian
Vana / Arien
Melkor = Gothmog

Regarding Gothmog - well JRRT changed his opinion on the origin of Balrogs - In earlier Myth there were thousands - in Later Myth he cut the number of Balrogs down to only seven ... Still I think we can put Gothmog on the list <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)"> - In very early Myth Gothmog was actually the son of Melkor - And Eönwe (though he then had another name that I have forgotten) was the son of Manwë <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">

Im not sure we can count Bombadil and Goldberry among the Maiar - The subject is very unclear - at least to me!

Salmar was he who wrought the umlari (if thats the correct spelling) - the umlari was the horns of Ulmo

<img src=smokin.gif ALT=":smokin"> Telchar

Anar kaluva tielyanna!</p>

Telchar

06-01-2001, 07:05 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: The Silmarillion's quiz

I have a comment to Grond who said:

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Saruman and Radagast were known as Curumo and Aiwendil. Saruman and Radagast are not properly maiar, but istari (since they were invested in human bodies they were tied to the world and things like this...)<hr></blockquote>

I totally disagree! Although you're right that they (the Istari) were tied to the world and could be slain - they still remained maiar spirits - if slain they would like Gandalf return to Aman to be rehoused or as in Saurons case create a new body/house for themselves - what you're saying is that when Saurons body were slain in the downfall of Numenor he would die because he was a man? Here I assume that he took the the shape of a man when he was taken captive by the Numenoreans.
Gandalf spirit returned to Aman when his body was slain. Saruman was slain and his spirit rouse from his body:

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> From RoTK
For a moment it wavered, looking to the West; but out of the West came a cold wind, and it bend away, and with a sigh dissolved into<hr></blockquote>

Sarumans return was refused by the Valar or maybe even Iluvatar - so he could not return - wether or not he with time could be able to create a new house for his spirit I do not know...

It's like having a cup of tea - if you break the cup you no longer have a cup, but you still have tea - now its just on the floor <img src=laugh.gif ALT=":lol">

<img src=smokin.gif ALT=":smokin"> Telchar

Anar kaluva tielyanna!</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000018>Telchar</A> at: 6/1/01 9:13:00 am

Grond

06-01-2001, 07:46 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Istari

I hope this is the last reply concerning istari and their nature here. But somebody could open a new topic in the books forum...

I do not agree with you Telchar. Sauron took an appearance, but did not invest himself in the body of a man. Annatar, for example, did not grow older, as the istari did. Istari could be killed (mening the dead or their bodies), despite their spirits could return. When Gandalf died, Olorin returned in a new body (he was no longer Gandalf the Grey but the White); when sauron was defeated (not killed), he took another appearance. In my opinion, their cases are completely different.

Remember that Tokien did never said that Sauron was invested in a human's body when he took an appearance. And that is quite significant.

To sum up, I simply differenciate Gandalf from Olorin. They are not the same.

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Maglor68

06-01-2001, 08:16 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Istari

Grond man - you are REALLY reaching. Okay: If you want to differentiate between the Maiar as they existed in Valinor and their incarnations as Istari in Middle Earth, I can see your point only from the strictest of technical definitions.

The bottom line, however, is that Saruman (for example) did exist in Valinor AS a Maia (I forget what his name in Valinor was) who served Aule. He DID take form as an Istari in Middle Earth who, though his powers were limited, was still unquestionably the same identity. I challenge you to find even one other person on this board who agrees with you on this point.

In any event, this question refers to Maia at the time of their entrance into Arda. So if you need to nit pick and say it was Olorin and not Gandalf, that's your business. But Telchar totally got it right.

- Maglor

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Maglor68

06-01-2001, 08:28 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Arien

By the way Telchar, are you sure about Olorin and Melian? I have to go back and check the books, but I could have sworn according to the Sil they served Nienna and Lorien respectively, not Lorien and Yavanna.

As far as Arien is concerned, that was just a guess. In LOTR mythology, I've always associated the four greatest male Valar with the elements:

Melkor - Fire
Manwe - Air
Ulmo - Water
Aule - Earth

Although this is never specified for Melkor, my assumption comes from 1) his obsession with the Flame Imperishable, and 2) the constant references to him as being a lord of fire (and frost). As Arien IS a fire spirit, I always just assumed that originally she was part of his clan. Later, when he became evil, she was only fire spirit not to join in his rebellion. Perhaps she attached herself to Vana after she left Melkor in the same way that Sauron attached himself to Melkor after he left Aule.

Just a theory.

- Maglor

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Maglor68

06-04-2001, 10:24 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Where are you Telchar?

Telchar, you're up dude!

- Maglor

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Telchar

06-04-2001, 10:50 PM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Where are you Telchar?

What was the name of the tree that Luthien was held captive in?

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Maglor68

06-05-2001, 05:31 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Tree

Was it Bob? Bob the Tree?

- Maglor

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Telchar

06-05-2001, 05:37 AM

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No - Im sure it could have been <img src=cool.gif ALT="8)">

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Grond

06-05-2001, 08:24 AM

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Hirilorn?

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Telchar

06-05-2001, 11:24 PM

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Hirilorn is good - go on Grond! <img src=cool.gif ALT="8)">

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Maglor68

06-08-2001, 04:48 AM

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Grond - you out there, man?

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Grond

06-08-2001, 07:57 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> The silmarillion's quiz

Sorry for the delay, I'm having exams nowadays.

I'll make an easy one: what was Ringil?

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HerenIstarion

06-08-2001, 12:10 PM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> just like this icon

Fingolfin's sword

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Grond

06-09-2001, 06:35 AM

HerenIstarion

06-09-2001, 11:24 AM

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What was the deed for which Isildur was renowned?

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