Gollum Trivia

[Beren87]

Extra Credit: Tell me the full riddle in a P.M.

No reason to do that, just post it here. Games should be kept in thread if all possible. smilies/smile.gif

[The Saucepan Man]

The answer to the riddle was Time.

But I'll have to look it up to give you the full riddle. Ah yes, here it is:

This thing all things devours:
Birds, beasts, trees, flowers;
Gnaws iron, bites steel;
Grinds hard stones to meal;
Slays king, ruins town,
And beats high mountain down.

[Wolf Larson]

Well done. (And the EC was intended to be funny.) You have for the work this: Well done. Go ahead.

[The Saucepan Man]

What is thought to have happened to Smeagol's people?

[lathspell]

They moved over the Mountains, I believe

greetings,
lathspell

[The Saucepan Man]

Yes, it was thought that they may have fled the Shadow of Dol Guldur ...

... But that's only half of the answer. There is another possible fate ascribed to them. smilies/tongue.gif

[lathspell]

They moved over the mountains and of them came the founders of the Shire?

A guess

[The Saucepan Man]

Yes, but there is still another possible fate ...

[The Saucepan Man]

Hint: If they didn't flee, what might have happened to them?

[Beren87]

They were massacred? or went more-or-less extinct?

I know where the answer is, I'm just too lazy to look. =P

[ May 21, 2003: Message edited by: Beren87 ]

[The Saucepan Man]

Correct, Beren. smilies/smile.gif I believe it's in one of the footnotes to the chapter on Sauron searching for the Ring in the UT.

[Beren87]

Go me. =P

Why did Gandalf think Gollum may be uneeded after their search for him was initially unsuccesful?

[arcticstorm]

He thought of a test by which the ring could tell if it was the 1 ring which after research he decided was to throw it in fire.

[Lindolirian]

Beren87 hasn't been online for four months and the question is two years old. You can probably just go ahead and take the question. ;)

[arcticstorm]

ok,
How many fellowship members did Gollum probably come in contact with directly, and name them.

[The Saucepan Man]

I cannot resist trying an answer:

Aragorn - who captured him;
Gandalf - who questioned him;
Legolas - who guarded him;
Frodo - who was guided by him;
Sam - who quarreled with him.

So 5 of the 9?

[arcticstorm]

correct, your question

[The Saucepan Man]

Thanks arcticstorm. :)

Name two unusual experiences shared by Thorin Oakenshield and Smeagol.

[Firefoot]

Both were imprisoned by the Elves of Mirkwood and both had their most precious posession stolen from them by Bilbo (Thorin - Arkenstone, Gollum - the Ring).

[The Saucepan Man]

Startlingly prompt and spot on!

Well done, Firefoot. The thread is yours.

[Firefoot]

Thank'ee.

Often times the only way to control Gollum was with violence (physical or otherwise), or, more often, the threat of it. List six of these times. (Kudos and a cookie to anyone who can come up with ten - the number I found - or more! ;) )

[mormegil]

Okay I think I have enough.

1. Aragorn when he captured him

2. Sauron torture into compliance

3. Sam threatening on Mt. Doom

4. Frodo in the Taming of Smeagol on Emyn Muil

5. Anborn capturing him at the forbidden pool

6. Faramir Threat of death while in Gondor if he leaves Frodo (more psychological in nature)

7. Gandalf putting the fear of fire in him while interrogating.

8. Sam in fighting him in Shelobs lair.

I can't remember right and I don't have time to look it up but there may have been some threat or mistreatment by his family to get him to leave. Also I can't remember for certain but possibly in the hobbit. I would like to know of your findings.

[Firefoot]

Good job! :)

Other examples I had in mind were:

Frodo threatening Gollum with the Ring before the Black Gate that he could make Gollum cast himself from a precipice or into fire.

Frodo threatening Gollum at Henneth Annun to make him choke on the fish bones.

Bilbo "threatening" him in the Hobbit - he didn't actually make a threat but Gollum became subdued at the sight of the drawn sword nevertheless.

I didn't have the one with Sam on Cirith Ungol, though.

[mormegil]

As is well known our good friend Samwise Gamgee despised Gollum and gave him many unfavorable names. I was able to find at least 11 distinct names that Sam called Gollum. Out of these 11 I would consider 6 names to be easy and 5 to be difficult to find. If you can name 7 at least that is good enough, however I do want at a minimum 2 of the difficult names. Remember they are actual names not just mean things said about or to Gollum.

[Holbytlass]

Here's what I found (my eyes are burning!!)
Gollum, Smeagol, Stinker, Slinker, Mr. Gollum, old noser, villian, stinking thing,
poor wretch, nasty creature. I'm not sure if the last two count because Sam was talking to some one else when he called Gollum these.

[mormegil]

I'll count it. My list is as follows

Footpad
Stinker
Slinker
Villian
It
Creature (3 times w/ different adjectives i.e. nasty trecherous, dratted, trecherous murderous)
Wretch
Old Noser
False (Gray area on this one if it's an actual name or not)
Gobbler
Thing

Your turn

[Holbytlass]

What was Gloin jealous about Gollum?

[mormegil]

Do you mean the way in which Gollum was treated better in captivity among Thranduil's people than Gloin was?

[Holbytlass]

Exactly, your go...

[mormegil]

At one point Frodo prophesied about Gollum. When was it and what did he prophesy?

[Firefoot]

In the chapter "The Black Gate is Closed," after Gollum says "Give it back to Sméagol," Frodo says, "Do not say that again! Do not let that thought grow in you! You will never get it back. But the desire of it may betray you to a bitter end. You will never get it back. In the last need, Sméagol, I should put on the Precious; and the Precious mastered you long ago. If I, wearing it, were to command you, you would obey, even if it were to leap from a precipice or to cast yourself into the fire. And such would be my command. So have a care, Sméagol!"

I don't know whether the whole of it was necessary or not, but it's a cool passage anyway. :cool:

[mormegil]

Nope but a great guess. I had something else in mind. More direct and something that actually happened. Frodo didn't put on the ring and command Gollum to jump.

[Firefoot]

No, but the desire did betray Gollum to a bitter end... ;)

Lessee, how about this:

Right after Gollum had been caught, Frodo says, "Would you commit your promise to that, Sméagol? It will hold you. But it is more treacherous that hou are. It may twist your words. Beware!"

[mormegil]

No it's later in the books

[Firefoot]

Before Sam and Frodo enter Cirith Ungol, Frodo says: "No if it's anything, it will be some little private trick of his own that he thinks is quite secret... I think he really is in part trying to save the Precious from the Enemy, as long as he can... perhaps he's just biding his time and waiting on chance."

[mormegil]

Sorry still no. It's more along the lines of "if you do such and such this will happen and it truly does happen according to what Frodo said"

[Firefoot]

I'm basically out of ammo for now, then; someone else can go look.

But first let me make sure that you don't mean Faramir at Henneth Annun (not that I'm doubting you; this just really jumped out at me as the type of thing you're looking for): "And may death find you swiftly, within Gondor or without, if you do not well serve him."

[mormegil]

Nope it's Frodo and it's in RoTK

[Firefoot]

Finally! I've got it! At Mt. Doom, Frodo says, "Begone, and trouble me no more! If you touch me ever again, you shall be cast yourself into the Fire of Doom."

[mormegil]

Bingo!

[Firefoot]

Thanks.

Before Gollum was banished, what was his home?

[mormegil]

It was his Grandmother's Smial

[Firefoot]

Yeah, that was basically what I was looking for. Go ahead.

[mormegil]

How many separate times was Gollum in Mirkwood?

[Firefoot]

Three, I think: to follow Bilbo, to come back again, and then to be imprisoned.

[mormegil]

That was the number I came up with...Your go

[Firefoot]

Who sensed something indomitable in Gollum?

[The Saucepan Man]

Sauron, when Gollum was being tortured in Mordor.

[Firefoot]

It most certainly was. Your turn, Saucy.