Riddle ME this

[Annunfuiniel]

I thought of starting a strictly Tolkien related riddle game. No vague answers like water/river, star, dream etc. but rather specific creatures, ideas, places...that Tolkien has made famous.
Hope you join this game in CROWDS and have fun! smilies/biggrin.gif
Here's the first enigma:

We were never found
but never left unguarded
Although to the flesh we are bound
some might say we haunted.

[Beren87]

The Dead men of Dunharrow?

[Annunfuiniel]

Nope. Keep on guessing!
smilies/smile.gif

[Beren87]

The Barrow-Wights?

(Just going on the whole "haunted" theme)

[Annunfuiniel]

Wrong again, sorry. Don't take that "haunted" part too literally, more meaning like invisible to most of beings but not to all...

[Nuranar]

Ringwraiths?

[Annunfuiniel]

Nonono...
Hint: 1.it's (or properly they're) not a living thing. Oh smilies/rolleyes.gif smilies/rolleyes.gif , that just helped you a lot! smilies/biggrin.gif
2. Something said in the counsil of Elrond might give you a clue to the first to lines(Elrond's answer to a question).

Hope these help!

[elven maiden Earwen]

the one ring??

[Annunfuiniel]

Getting close!

[Beren87]

The Three Elven Rings!!!

*smacks head*

[Aerandir Carnesir]

The Rings of Power?

[Nuranar]

Beren's probably got it, but...

The seven Dwarven rings?

[Lyra Greenleaf]

the silmarils?

[Annunfuiniel]

Beren, congratulations! Now you have the honour to continue. smilies/smile.gif

[Beren87]

Wew! That one was difficult. Hopefully I can live up to the example.

Created by the great one
but only a bad xerox
millions across the earth
and obviously not solar-powered

I think that narrows it down enough!

[Manardariel]

Stars (I guess).

[Beren87]

Nope! remember, it has to fit every line.

[Annunfuiniel]

I have to say orcs then.

[Beren87]

I'd have to say your correct!

[Annunfuiniel]

Thank thee, Beren! smilies/smile.gif

This came so suddenly that I haven't got a new riddle yet. Just gimme a moment...

[Annunfuiniel]

So this is all I could make up:

So fair is my face
I'm death's crowning grace
I live where men rest
when they've done their best.

Quite easy, me thinks, but it sounded so pretty when I thought of it... smilies/smile.gif

[ February 24, 2003: Message edited by: Annunfuiniel ]

[Beren87]

Gah, that weird flower thingy that grew where they buried the kings of Rohan?

[Annunfuiniel]

Right you are, AGAIN! smilies/biggrin.gif
But I really should make you look for the exact name for that "flower thingy". smilies/wink.gif
Well, simbelmynë it is, aka Evermind.

[Beren87]

Ah, well I just looked up the answer anyway so I would have been back to tell you (don't give it to me next time though smilies/tongue.gif ).

I'll post another one tomorrow..err today, as it is 2AM and I can't rhyme at 2AM.

[Beren87]

Ok folks, sorry about the wait. How about a haiku?

slowly shimmering
reflecting a dwarven crown
a water filed pool

[Lostgaeriel]

Kheled-zâram aka Mirrormere.

I almost hope I'm wrong 'cause I'm not sure I can come up with a riddle.

[Beren87]

Well then I'm very sorry to say your right! smilies/wink.gif

[Lostgaeriel]

OK. Give me a day or two to come up with one, please?

[Beren87]

According to the rules you have 10, smilies/biggrin.gif

[Lostgaeriel]

Well, nine more days isn't going to help me do this any better. It's not a very good riddle - and it's not very good poetry either. ICK! But, hey, it's done.

The light of the moon and the sun
Were two, but first they were one.
When made one again they shone like a flame
Giving glory and fame to the Chief Dúnadan.

[hobbitlass]

Star of Elendil, AKA: Star of the Dunedain, Star of the North and the Eledilmir.

[Lostgaeriel]

Ooh, I guess the answer to my riddle is not as obvious as I thought.

Nope, it's not the Star of Elendil.

HINT: It is a two-part answer.

[Annunfuiniel]

Narsil and Anduril. smilies/smile.gif

[Tar-Palantir]

Arnor and Gondor smilies/smile.gif

[Lostgaeriel]

Annunfuiniel has got it!

Yes it was Narsil, ‘The Sun and the Moon’ and Andúril, 'Flame of the West'; the Sword of Elendil made by Telchar of Nogrod, that was broken in two when Elendil died in combat with Sauron; from the shards it was reforged for Aragorn.

See, that wasn't so hard.

[Annunfuiniel]

Whehee, always nice to be right! smilies/biggrin.gif But still shouldn't have answered 'cause my head is now sooooo empty. smilies/rolleyes.gif
Ok here goes nothing:

One thing that I had
I lost with one taken
and this was too bad
greatly was I shaken
my deeds were first slanted
people thought I had failed
but grace was then granted
and I got what I craved.

There it is, not that bad for a brain-dead, aye? smilies/biggrin.gif

[Aerandir Carnesir]

Frodo. smilies/biggrin.gif

[ March 01, 2003: Message edited by: Aerandir Carnesir ]

[ March 01, 2003: Message edited by: Aerandir Carnesir ]

[Annunfuiniel]

Nope, sorry! But now that you mentioned it fits quite well. smilies/smile.gif
But why on middle-earth did you have to edit that one word TWICE?? smilies/biggrin.gif

[Aerandir Carnesir]

Well, I changed my answers a few times. Is it Gollum?

[Annunfuiniel]

No, not it...erm...him either. smilies/wink.gif
Keep on guessing!

[Beren87]

<----- Beren? smilies/biggrin.gif

[Annunfuiniel]

And Beren it is, Beren! smilies/biggrin.gif

[Tar-Palantir]

I'm gonna snag this one - sorry Beren!

What have I got in my pocket? smilies/biggrin.gif j/k


I have killed a ruler
and then served a king
I will listen and learn
but can't tell you a thing
I carry a heavy burden
one that's renowned
I was valiant and strong
but they never gave me a crown
I died with my burden
but our legend is fine
Of that I am certain
we were the first of our line
What else can I tell you?
well, my raiment is white
As are the mountains
south in my sight
Legend's get grander
as the years go and go
But this one's a doozy
Men say I came from Oromë
Here I come, there I go
never beat in a race
The last thing you'll see
is my dust in your face!!!

[ March 15, 2003: Message edited by: Tar-Palantir ]

[cookie_crazy]

Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! Is it the One Ring? If I got it right, someone else can go.

[Tar-Palantir]

No, it's not the one Ring.

[Aerandir Carnesir]

Is it Bilbo Baggins?

[Malva Headstrong]

Denethor?

[Tar-Palantir]

No, no.

I altered the words to provide more clues. smilies/smile.gif

[Lyra Greenleaf]

isildur?

[Annunfuiniel]

This is really hard! smilies/confused.gif And those new clues don't make it any easier...
I'll go with Beren. smilies/smile.gif

[Manardariel]

Feanor and the Silmarils!

[Tar-Palantir]

Look how long that thing is now!!! As you can see I added on to it for more clues.

I would say good luck, but I don't think you need it!

[Lyra Greenleaf]

Snowmane?
Shadowfax?
Either you didn't make it as easy as you thought or I'm really thick!

[Manardariel]

The closest I can get is Fingolfin, because everyone thought he was Orome at somepoint. Or it could be Finrod Felagund, because men thought he was a Valar.... that is HARD!

[Tar-Palantir]

Well, when you see the answer it will all make perfect sense. Guess I'll go back and add one more verse... I'm going for the length record! smilies/biggrin.gif

[Arvedui III]

Er, Snowmane?

[The Saucepan Man]

Felarof, the first of the Mearas, who threw of and killed his captor but then atoned by serving his captor's son, Eorl the Young, first King of Rohan.

[Tar-Palantir]

Congratulations TheSaucepanMan!

For those that care - I will explain it below:

I have killed a ruler - Léod ruler of the Éothéod
and then served a king - Eorl
I will listen and learn - Can understand the speech of men
but can't tell you a thing - Cannot speak it
I carry a heavy burden - A man, Eorl
one that's renowned - A king
I was valiant and strong - Felaróf translate to 'valiant and 'strong'
but they never gave me a crown - Obvious
I died with my burden - In battle, and buried together
but our legend is fine - Still strong in memory
Of that I am certain
we were the first of our line - Eorl of Rohan - Felaróf of Mearas
What else can I tell you?
well, my raiment is white - White hair
As are the mountains
south in my sight - White mountains south of Edoras
Legend's get grander
as the years go and go
But this one's a doozy
Men say I came from Oromë - Felaróf said to be a gift from Oromë
Here I come, there I go
never beat in a race
The last thing you'll see
is my dust in your face!!! - One faaaaassst horse!!!

Well, I'm glad someone got it. smilies/smile.gif

[The Saucepan Man]

I knew that the Complete Tolkien Companion would come in handy ... smilies/rolleyes.gif smilies/biggrin.gif

Now, for another riddle ...

Exchanged in the dark
The choice there was stark
Twixt life or a snack for the other

My answer is me
When found it will see
Me passed along to another

[Lostgaeriel]

The Ring.
(What have I got in my pocket?)

[Annunfuiniel]

Ok, this answer isn't strictly Tolkien related but is it a riddle? smilies/rolleyes.gif smilies/smile.gif

[Tar-Palantir]

I'll go with Sting.

[Lostgaeriel]

I think Annunfuiniel has got it. Hope The Saucepan Man comes back soon to let us know.

[The Saucepan Man]

Ok, this answer isn't strictly Tolkien related but is it a riddle?

It is. smilies/smile.gif

And, although not exclusively so, I think riddles are certainly a part of JRRT's world (they merit an entry in my Tolkien Companion).

My answer is me
When found it will see
Me passed along to another

That will be you then, Annunfuiniel (aka "solver of Saucepan's clues" smilies/wink.gif ).

[Annunfuiniel]

Thank you very much, Saucepan! smilies/smile.gif
And you are right about Tolkien and riddles, I admit.
Well, here we go again:

My birth is a mystery
but strange was my destiny
as you shall soon hear
For both grace and agony
I brought to certain family
once I even caused fear
Then after a horrid tragedy
I ended in one's treasury
and he was far from dear
But all turned fine, luckily
this is where I return to the story
as new age is now and here.

Yes, it's stupid! smilies/biggrin.gif smilies/rolleyes.gif

[ March 20, 2003: Message edited by: Annunfuiniel ]

[ March 20, 2003: Message edited by: Annunfuiniel ]

[aragornreborn]

Is it Bilbo?

[Annunfuiniel]

No, it's not Bilbo.
I edited the last lines, see if it makes sense now... smilies/smile.gif

[aragornreborn]

OK, ok, how about the Silmarils?

I think I have a terrible gift to read things the wrong way! smilies/wink.gif

[ March 20, 2003: Message edited by: aragornreborn ]

[elven maiden Earwen]

nerry or pippen

[Annunfuiniel]

Oh Gosh, the silmaril fits perfectly- but you know what? It still isn't the answer I was looking for! smilies/frown.gif I hope you get the right answer eventually, aragornreborn, for you really deserve it. smilies/smile.gif
Hint: you have to read UT to get this...
Ok, I go now and edit that "it's easy" -part away. smilies/biggrin.gif

[ March 20, 2003: Message edited by: Annunfuiniel ]

[aragornreborn]

*laughs* Somehow, I just knew that that wasn't right either. Well, if it's from UT, I'm useless. Oh well...

[The Saucepan Man]

Is it the Arkenstone, which went into Smaug's treasury following the "terrible tragedy" of his attack on Erebor and Dale?

[Annunfuiniel]

That's an educated answer as well, but not the right one I'm afraid. smilies/smile.gif

And the hint was: read your UT.

[gilraën]

Gandalf?

[elven maiden Earwen]

The chain and box that had once held the ring around Isildur's neck and the Elendilmir???

[Tar-Palantir]

The white tree of Numenor/Gondor?

[Annunfuiniel]

And the winner is...*drums please*...elven maiden Earwen!!! smilies/biggrin.gif
I probably should clarify:

My birth is a mystery-We know very little about the origin of the first Elendilmir

For both grace and agony
I brought to certain family-Well, this might have been a bit misleading...The light of E. was one thing to cause Isildur's death(it revealed him to the orcs)

once I even caused fear-When Isildur put the One Ring on (during the battle of the Gladden Fields) and turned invisible the light of E. could still be seen and it frightened both orcs and men.

Then after a horrid tragedy-The Disaster of the Gladden Fields

I ended in one's treasury-Saruman's

But all turned fine, luckily
this is where I return to the story
as new age is now and here.-In the UT it's also described how the long lost Elendilmir was found from Orthanc and returned to it's rightful owner, King Elessar, in the early years of the FA.

So, Earwen, my congrats once more and the stage is all yours! smilies/smile.gif

[elven maiden Earwen]

ok thanks.

the wonderful and amazing Beren87 came up with this for me. Thanks!!

Neither King not Queen
but I may get that thrill
I went to a councl
and couldn't sit still
Older than I look
but its what I am
I protected a took
and a dude named sam
All in all I came out well
Isn't that just swell?

smilies/wink.gif smilies/wink.gif thanks Beren87 smilies/wink.gif smilies/biggrin.gif

[Tar-Palantir]

Aragorn Elessar

[Lyra Greenleaf]

Personally I would go for that too, but could it possibly be Boromir?

[elven maiden Earwen]

nope

[Manardariel]

Bilbo or Frodo, perhaps? Maybe Gandalf?

[elven maiden Earwen]

no

[Lyra Greenleaf]

Gandalf?
Saruman?
Legolas?
Elrond?
Galdor?

[elven maiden Earwen]

Lyra you aare correct it was Legolas.

[Lyra Greenleaf]

OK, its easy- but I don't have time for subtlety! (Revising Vietnam- aargh!)

I am beauty lost, but health recovered
My legend will never be uncovered.
Death I caused, though not by choice
I sing with an enchanting voice.
Two I have been, though one remains-
Tell me please, what is my name?

And btw I know remains and name don't rhyme, OK?

[merry03]

Gollum? If you think about it, it sorta fits. smilies/smile.gif

[aragornreborn]

Ok, ok, now I know not all of these fit so great, but my head hurts right now.

Could it be Glorfindel, Luthien, or perhaps Galadriel.

I know some of those are a stretch.

[Lyra Greenleaf]

None of them so far!

[Annunfuiniel]

Nimrodel, both the elf-maid and the river.
smilies/smile.gif

[Arathorn The Warrior]

Golum?

[Arathorn The Warrior]

Could it be Perrigan Took?

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Ooh, I think Annunfuiniel has it... or if not, it's a super good guess... blast, I've been trying to think of the answer for days now... smilies/wink.gif

[Lyra Greenleaf]

Yes, its Nimrodel.

I am beauty lost, the lost maiden but health recovered the river
My legend will never be uncovered.we don't know what happened
Death I caused, though not by choice she caused amroth to die
I sing with an enchanting voice. the river, or both!
Two I have been, though one remains- it was an elf and a river, now only a river
Tell me please, what is my name?

Annunfuinel, your go!

[Annunfuiniel]

Thank you, Lyra! smilies/smile.gif
And thanks elven maiden Earwen for the reminder. I'm sorry but I have no riddle at the moment to offer you and I won't be around for a while so anyone can carry on.

[elven maiden Earwen]

ok i'll go and this might be easy

i am of gold
my brother of silver
put us together
and there is light so splender

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Laurelin (brother is Telperion)

[elven maiden Earwen]

correct you are

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Alright... really cheesy rhyme, but have fun smilies/biggrin.gif

a daughter of princes
who never were kings
in a land by the sea
with a crest of white wings
yet my son rules a kingdom
and sits on a throne
in a country not mine
a land far from my home

[elven maiden Earwen]

findulas

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

nope, her sons weren't kings.

[Eruanna]

Arwen?
Her father Elrond was never a king, although his brother was. She is far from both Rivendell and Aman, in Gondor which is by the sea. The helmets of Gondorian soldiers have a crest of wings and her son Eldarion was king after Aragorn's death. smilies/smile.gif

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

wow... it fits pretty nicely, but that's not who I was looking for.

The wings refer to her original homeland

[Eruanna]

Strewth, I really thought I'd got it!

OK then..... is it Eärwen? The wings thing ( and your clue ) made me think of Alqualondë.
Wasn't she called "Swan Maiden" or something like that? Her son, Finrod Felagund became King of Nargothrond......see where I'm going here?

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Earwen's father was a king...

[Nuranar]

Lothíriel, daughter of Prince Imrahil of Dol Amroth. She married Éomer and their son Elfwinë became King of the Mark after him.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Perfect smilies/smile.gif

a place with princes that aren't kings that's by the sea with a crest of white wings-- Dol Amroth...

[Nuranar]

Whoever's first can continue...I don't create riddles quickly and frankly don't have time to do so right now. smilies/frown.gif

But I'll be back when I can! smilies/smile.gif

[Nuranar]

I am pleased to announce that I have written a riddle. Ahem!

Beautiful and cruel,
Fiery and cold.
Conqueror of the victors,
I stand to the end.

Who am I?

[piosenniel]

Barazinbar the Cruel (Caradhras, Redhorn) - of the Mountains of Moria, the farthest west and north.

[tulkas]

i beleive piosenniel has it

[Nuranar]

Indeed she does.

Welcome to the Downs, tulkas! Please keep posting!

[piosenniel]

Tulkas

Welcome! Since you also had the right of it, and I have not time today to craft a riddle - would you do the honors and pose the next problem for us?

[tulkas]

well i'm quite new here, so here goes

Enchanted under the stars
Never to cross the sea
I became the father
Of a middle earth beauty

[elven maiden Earwen]

thingol

[tulkas]

had a feeling that would be a little too easy, but well done. Over to you Earwen

[elven maiden Earwen]

mine easy to because its late and all I can think of.

fair and cold
my tale has been told
married a man of the great stone city
were there lived a queen who loved her kittys

who am I?

[tulkas]

i'm guessing finduilas

[Nuranar]

Éowyn

[elven maiden Earwen]

nuranar is correct.

[gertauriel]

ummmm... I'm not so good at this... Boromir?
hope I'm wrong, I can't come up with a riddle... wonder why I even replied to this? *mumbles to herself*... smilies/confused.gif

[gertauriel]

What on Mordor did just happen? I was supposed to reply to the riddle-thingie, and now this came up with a whole new thread... sorry, I don't know how to use this thing... smilies/eek.gif

[gertauriel]

Sorry, ignore me... I didn't see those 2, 3 and 4-pages... smilies/tongue.gif whoops...

[Annunfuiniel]

Gertauriel, welcome to the Downs!! Nice to see a fellow Finn! smilies/smile.gif
Post well (it's quite natural to get confused in the beginning, PM me if you have any questions) and enjoy being dead - I have loved it! smilies/biggrin.gif
And wow, my little riddle thread has grown to contain 4 pages! Thanks to all who have posted.

[ April 13, 2003: Message edited by: Annunfuiniel ]

[Beren87]

Just to throw in another two cents, see that little hammer and chisel up by the time and date of your post? That's the EDIT function, it lets you delete or edit your posts!

[Nuranar]

Ack, I visit this thread out of curiosity and discover it has been meandering in obscurity because of my neglect! I will edit in a new riddle as soon as I create it...I promise!

~ Nuranar

EDIT: Easter weekends aren't the best for posting riddles... *blushes*

In a secret place was my advent;
Shadowed was my path.
To another hiding place, then
Stone to stone returneth.
Now servant of the light:
Kindler of the flame;
Fighting the fire,
From shadow returning.

[ April 21, 2003: Message edited by: Nuranar ]

[Annunfuiniel]

The Moria balrog?

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Gandalf the Grey (who fights balrog and dies and returns as...) Gandalf the White??

[Nuranar]

No and no.

But you're looking in the right area, although not exactly in the right direction. I know that doesn't make sense, but...this is a riddle, after all. smilies/smile.gif

[The Saucepan Man]

Is it Earendil?

He was born in Gondolin, a secret place, and escaped its destruction to be brought up in the haven at the mouth of Sirion. Following his successful voyage to Valinor, he bore the light of the Simaril on his brow and, following the War of Wrath, guarded the door of the night to prevent Morgoth, the shadow, from returning from the Void.

Well, it sort of works. smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Nuranar]

No, but certain aspects are right on.

Think about the "Stone to stone returneth" line. What do you think of? That aspect should be very simple...

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Durin the Deathless?

[Nuranar]

Nope...sorry, that's not what I meant by "stone." *blushes*

[Estanesse]

It’s probably a stupid answer, but is it Ossë

[Annunfuiniel]

This thread is sinking so *bumb*
And my guess this time will be the Silmaril which Beren and Luthien took from Morgoth's crown; that would be the stone which then returned to another "stone" ie. Menegroth. IMO the other clues fit quite nicely too. smilies/smile.gif

[Nuranar]

Nope, nope, nope!

Good guess, though, Annunfuiniel. That's not quite what I had in mind for "stone to stone returneth," though; think more literally.

Hint: Not all lines in the riddle pertain directly to the answer itself - they lead to one another. Pay attention to the punctuation.

[Annunfuiniel]

Ok then, how about Melkor aka Morgoth Bauglir?

"In a secret place was my advent;
Shadowed was my path." - that part is quite obvious
"To another hiding place," - Utumno?
"then
Stone to stone returneth." - Utumno was a stone construction which then was destroyed by the Valar
"Now servant of the light:
Kindler of the flame;" - that could Ëarendil...
"Fighting the fire,
From shadow returning." - ...who fought against Melkor('s force) in the War of Wrath

Well, how's that? smilies/smile.gif

[piosenniel]

Narsil

In a secret place was my advent;
Shadowed was my path.

The full history of the forging is unknown - somewhere in the Dwarven city of Nogrod. When Elendil fell, fighting Shadow, it's flame was extinguished

To another hiding place, then

to Rivendell

Stone to stone returneth.

Forged from metal ores, it returns to Elessar, the Elfstone.

Now servant of the light:
Kindler of the flame;
Fighting the fire,
From shadow returning.

Narsil returns to the forger's fire, returning as Andúril, The Flame of the West, its light rekindled.

[Nuranar]

Good guesses, people! Ooh, Pio, you're really close in essence. You've got nearly everything right in meaning...just think ultra-literal in the "stone to stone" part.

[piosenniel]

Is this Anor, the Sun? And coincidentally, the Flame of Anor?

If so, I'll produce my tortuous reasonings for this answer! smilies/wink.gif LOL

[The Saucepan Man]

Ah, think I've got it! smilies/smile.gif

Is it Glamdring? Forged in a secret place, Gondolin, then turned up in the secret cache of William Huggins and co. Found by Gandalf, Bilbo and the Dwarves when "stone to stone returneth", ie when the Trolls were caught by the sunrise and (re)turned to stone.

The next parts of the riddle suggest Glamdring, since it was wielded by Gandalf. Possibly "Fighting the fire from shadow returning" refers to his battle with the Balrog.

And, if it's not Glamdring, it must be Sting. smilies/wink.gif

[Nuranar]

Yes indeedy, it is Glamdring! "Kindler of the flame" referred not to the answer, but to "the light" in the previous line. Glamdring served "the light," the "kindler of the flame" (bearing the Ring of Fire). And "Fighting the fire, from shadow returning" means exactly as you guessed.

Congratulations, Saucepan! I await your riddle with great anticipation. Now if I could solve your words in words, we'd be even...

[The Saucepan Man]

Yippee ... Thanks, Nuranar ...

... Oh, heck. I'm pants at riddles. smilies/frown.gif

I'll edit one in when I've had a think. smilies/rolleyes.gif

Edit: OK, it's not great, but it'll do:

Enemies of Gondor
Decline, so they say
To meet with those from Rohan
Who came to save the day.

[ April 30, 2003: Message edited by: The Saucepan Man ]

[Nuranar]

I'm kind of hazy on exactly what is to be guessed. Are you looking for the "enemies of Gondor"?

[The Saucepan Man]

One line gives a straightforward clue to the answer, the other three lines make up a cryptic clue, but I won't tell you which is which, since that would make it too easy, and, like you Nuranar, I have a reputation to live up to now. smilies/evil.gif smilies/wink.gif

[Annunfuiniel]

Is it King Elessar who "came to save the day"?
Ok, you'll just love this wild-eyed explanation of how I came up with that answer... smilies/rolleyes.gif

E -from the Enemies
LESS -well, Decline...
AR -Rohan, an (A)utonomous (R)epublic

*Gets looks like: smilies/eek.gif smilies/confused.gif smilies/rolleyes.gif , and dashes off*

[The Saucepan Man]

smilies/eek.gif smilies/confused.gif smilies/rolleyes.gif

Now that really is obscure Annunfuiniel. And I'm afraid it's not the correct answer. smilies/evil.gif

[farstrider]

The men and orcs on the field of pellanor ran from the face of eomer king of rohan.

I think that's right!? smilies/frown.gif smilies/confused.gif

[Tar-Palantir]

Is it the Druedain?

[The Saucepan Man]

Nope and nope.

Hint: Decline, so they say means a word that sounds like a word meaning decline ...

[Annunfuiniel]

Ok, referring to my previous answer: Look what all this partying has done to my brains!!! smilies/eek.gif smilies/biggrin.gif

Now, my second attempt (actually this was the first answer that came to my mind...before the insanity prevailed): The Wainriders?
>Enemies of Gondor
>decline ~ wane ~ wain
>"meet with those from Rohan"=Riders (of Rohan)
>"who came to save the day"=abovementioned Rohirrim

There, does that sound any better? smilies/wink.gif
~Annun

[The Saucepan Man]

That sounds a lot better, Annun. In fact, it sounds so much better that it's correct. smilies/smile.gif

There now. Easy, wasn't it? smilies/evil.gif

[Annunfuiniel]

Sorry it took so long to get back to you...
Easy? That surely isn't the first word I would use to describe your riddles, dear Saucepan. smilies/wink.gif

Anyway, here's the next (attempt on a) riddle:

Creature of the Shadow
Once Beauty Inside
Great Spirit Ruled by Another
And Both of Them Could Fly!

Er...ok, there it is. smilies/rolleyes.gif Is that really the best I can do?! Maybe if I...
*bangs head to the table for a couple of minutes*
Sorry, that didn't help either - you'll just have to go with what there is on offer.

[The Saucepan Man]

Is it Thuringwethil?

Creature of the Shadow: Her name means 'Woman of the secret shadow'.

Once Beauty Inside: Luthien uses her body as a cloak.

Great Spirit Ruled by Another: She served Sauron.

And Both of Them Could Fly! Thuringwethil could fly and I think, at that time at least, so could Sauron.

[Annunfuiniel]

Spot on and perfect reasoning! So it's your turn again, Saucy. smilies/smile.gif

[The Saucepan Man]

Oops! Forgot about this one. Oh well, better late than never:

An old wizard finds himself out of place,
The end of the route is lost without trace.
In confusion, Gibbs, a Goblin, tries poetry,
And finds his inspiration in entomology.

[ May 19, 2003: Message edited by: The Saucepan Man ]

[The Saucepan Man]

Any takers? smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Arestevana]

*blushes* I had to look up entomology in the dictionary.....but, is it Gandalf talking to the moth on top of the pinnacle of Orthanc?

[Elentarimir]

And if it's not Gandalf, then maybe Radagast?

[The Saucepan Man]

Nope. Neither of those. The clue is a cryptic one. smilies/evil.gif

[Beren87]

Perhaps a clue my fine connoisseur of Sauce?

[The Saucepan Man]

Well OK, if you insist.

The words "In confusion" indicate that an anagram follows ...

[tifo_gcs]

well, Gibbs, a Goblin is most likely better known as Bilbo Baggins. The road's end without a trace is probably from the 'Road goes ever on and on', which is usually sung when the wizard Gandalf isn't too far away.
How am I doing so far?

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, your solution to the anagram is correct. But you're on the wrong track with the first two lines - they are just a (fairly silly) cryptic clue to the answer. The key is in the final two lines.

Funny, I thought that this one would be got straight away ... smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Arestevana]

I will feel guilty if I get this right, but more likely I'm just giving someone else another hint. My immediate thought was Gollum. Riddles in the Dark. that was for Poetry. But I could find nothing for entomology. Then I flicked to Mirkwood. Something to do with Bilbo's song to the Spiders?

[Dancing_Hobbit]

i'm with Arestevana, is it when Bilbo taunted the spiders in mirkwood with song? Gandalf left them (he was "out of place"), the path was lost becuase they wondered off it in mirkwood, and then Bilbo used insulting rhymes he made up about spiders to lure them away. nice job Arestevana!

[ June 04, 2003: Message edited by: Dancing_Hobbit ]

[The Saucepan Man]

No, nothing to do with spiders, entomology being the study of insects, not arachnids ... smilies/tongue.gif smilies/evil.gif

[Horse-Maiden of the Shire]

Im stumped. Gandalf in Moria?

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

An old wizard finds himself out of place- Dumbledore, who doesn't belong in a LOTR quiz room smilies/wink.gif
The end of the route is lost without trace- "E" the last letter of Dumbledore (and route) goes missing
In confusion, Gibbs, a Goblin, tries poetry- Mr. Bilbo Baggins, Bag End, the Shire sits and composes a little poem
and finds his inspiration in entomology- makes up a few species of critters does he?

What we find are Dumbledors, the imaginary insects from Bilbo's poem "Errantry".

Please tell me I'm right, I've been puzzling this for ages.

Sophia

[ June 06, 2003: Message edited by: Sophia the Thunder Mistress ]

[tifo_gcs]

*bows deeply and bestows lavish compliments on Sophia*
Regardless of whether or not you're right (and I have a sneaking suspicion that you are) I'm in awe of your deductive abilities. Of course, having never noticed Dumbledors in anything I've read of Tolkien, it seems all the more extraordinary to me, but that puzzling and tweaking must have taken a long time to figure out.
Wow smilies/eek.gif

and Monsieur Sauce, just how long time has it taken 'toi' to come up with this little riddle?

[The Saucepan Man]

*Fanfare*

Sophia, you are correct. And for all the right reasons. Well done. smilies/smile.gif

Monsieur Sauce, just how long time has it taken 'toi' to come up with this little riddle?

Not as long as it has taken to get the answer. smilies/evil.gif smilies/wink.gif

[Tar-Palantir]

May I say in all sincerity, you guys and girls are psycho. I pondered and pondered and pondered and would NEVER have found that answer. Good on ya, but sheesh, that was very tricky!

Waiting for an easy one smilies/wink.gif,
Tar

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Please tell me I'm write,

Ack, I will never feel far too proud of my ability to solve riddles again, as it's far more practical to be able to spell, and I've obviously not mastered that trick smilies/wink.gif.

Will return shortly with new riddle, when I've concocted it. Don't worry, Tar Palantir, I can't make them that hard smilies/wink.gif.

Sophia

[Beren87]

'Tis your turn my dear
We require a riddle, I fear
To satisfy this hungry crowd
to us, you have already vowed
So give to us a rhyme now
then if you will, take a bow

smilies/tongue.gif

[ June 11, 2003: Message edited by: Beren87 ]

[Arestevana]

*applauds* Encore! Encore!
We are (for the most part) patiently awaiting a new riddle.

[Dancing_Hobbit]

what is this "patience" thing? smilies/tongue.gif

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Find the Standard-Bearer
When the first half loses
the last of itself,
And the dark tower is illuminated.
My name is written there.


Sorry for the Delay, thanks for your patience. Happy Riddling.

Sophia

[Dancing_Hobbit]

wow. that's hard. if the first half of Standard-Bearer loses the last of itself it becomes Standar, but i can't get any farther than that. of course i may be on entirely the wrong track, which would explain why i can't get any further.

[alquadae]

Elrond at the Battle of Dagorlad

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Nope, not the one, alquadae.

Sophia

[alquadae]

Elendil or string

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

nope

Sophia

[Arestevana]

Well, the last of itself might be f. The first half could be 'standard', or it could be the first of a two-part name. Last of itself could also be the last letter of the first half of the name, or it could be 'd' in standard. I'm guessing the last line isn't part of the clue, but I have no idea about the fourth line.

[ June 15, 2003: Message edited by: Arestevana ]

[The Saucepan Man]

I believe that it might be Halbarad.

Find the Standard-Bearer
Halbarad bore Aragorn's banner to him from Arwen.
When the first half loses
the last of itself,
Half, losing the last letter of itself, gives "Hal".
And the dark tower is illuminated.
Barad-Dur is the Dark Tower. I'm guessing that "Dur" means "dark", so illuminating it, ie taking away the dark, gives "Barad"
My name is written there.
Putting them together produces "Halbarad". smilies/smile.gif

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Stunning. smilies/biggrin.gif Perfect reasoning as usual, Saucepan Man. You may proceed.

Sophia

[The Saucepan Man]

I try my best. smilies/wink.gif

Make a pitch
Then make a dash, my friend
Teach confusion
My follower brought the end

[alquadae]

Saruman ?

[The Saucepan Man]

No, not Saruman.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

I haven't yet found the answer, but I want to offer hearty congratulations on your latest crypticism. *Determined* I will solve it. smilies/wink.gif

Sophia

[The Saucepan Man]

Hint: The first three lines make up a cryptic clue to the answer. smilies/evil.gif

[piosenniel]

How about this:


Make a pitch

pitch = TAR

Then make a dash, my friend

dash = ‘ – ‘
friend = PAL

Teach confusion

teach = train
confuse ‘train’ and it = ANTIR

My follower brought the end

Tar – Palantir, whose successor, Ar – Pharazôn, brought about the downfall of Númenor

[The Saucepan Man]

Perfect reasoning, pio. You are correct on all counts. smilies/smile.gif

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

An pm I recieved from the lovely Pio:

I couldn't resist untangling Saucepan Man's riddle, but now I find I have no time to make a new one. I am swamped with new games to review and get going - can you you do me a favor and do the next riddle?!

So of course, I answered yes... so if y'all can be patient for a few days, I'll be putting up the next riddle as soon as I can craft it. smilies/evil.gif

Sophia

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Thank you so very much for your patience, I know it has been several days, but I think I have brought you the best riddle I can make. *bows*

In the beginning, I knew it!
Now I am all confused
I lost the one thing I know
A Hero of old had used-

I saw an old king falling
Greed was on his tongue
A woman on the verge of lost
Now stricken, on the run
Radiant shines the hope of all
Shadows hover low
Tell me, friend, what have I lost

If, indeed, you know....

Good-Luck!
Sophia

[Beren87]

A Palantiri? The whole "I see/saw" thing leads me there.

Or perhaps you're Denothor and it's your sanity.. smilies/rolleyes.gif

[ July 07, 2003: Message edited by: Beren87 ]

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Nope, my friend. smilies/wink.gif

The way the paragraphs are broken up is important.

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

Perhaps you are Sauron, with his Ring.

[Nuranar]

Kind of random, but...Hurin and his freedom? smilies/rolleyes.gif

Do the speakers change from paragraph to paragraph?

[piosenniel]

A partial guess/disentangling:

I saw an old king falling
Greed was on his tongue

Turgon at the Fall of Ondolindë (Gondolin)

_____________________________________________

A woman on the verge of lost
Now stricken, on the run

Idril, her father lost, is forced to flee.

_____________________________________________


Radiant shines the hope of all

Eärendil - Idril's son

_____________________________________________


Shadows hover low

The swarming of the dark hosts down into the Valley of Tumladen

_____________________________________________


Before I or anyone who wants to pick up on this line of reasoning wants to go any farther - am I anywhere near the mark?

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

A resounding No to everyone who has thus far guessed.

Good reasoning, Pio, but wrong story. smilies/wink.gif

Sophia

[elven maiden Earwen]

I saw an old king falling
Greed was on his tongue

Thingol and the Silmaril and Dwarf-necklace

_____________________________________________

A woman on the verge of lost
Now stricken, on the run

This sounds like Nienor Níniel

_____________________________________________


Radiant shines the hope of all

Silmaril

_____________________________________________


Shadows hover low

I don't know. Does it have to do with Melkor?

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

If you are right, maiden, then the 'shadows' should be those that filled Nienor's own mind.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Hi!

The clues in the long paragraph are much less important than the ones in the first paragraph. Let me break it down a bit for you.

First Paragraph: Gives instructions for solving the second paragraph, gives general class of answer (person, place, thing, etc.).

Second Paragraph: Contains clues to the general story in which the answer is found, contains the answer itself hidden.

Third Paragraph: Completes the Rhyme smilies/wink.gif.

Sophia

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

*bump*

[elven maiden Earwen]

I think I need another hint because I have been pondering this riddle for quite some time now and all I can come up with is

Silmaril?
Elessar?
Estel or Aragorn(hope=Estel)?

Am I close on any of my guesses?

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Earwen,

None of your answers are right, I could point you in the right direction if you gave me more reasoning, though.

The answer is an item, something used by "a hero of old". The name of the item is hidden in the second paragraph. Instructions for finding that name are found in the first paragraph. smilies/wink.gif

Sophia

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

Could it perhaps be Gurthang? Rather a longshot. 'Confused' could point to the story of Turin, and thence, some evidence in the second suggests his sword...

I saw an old king falling -> The sword was made of iron that fell from space

Greed was on his tongue -> Gurthang came to Earth with desire for blood

A woman on the verge of lost -> Nienor Niniel, on the verges of the Teiglin

Radiant shines the hope of all -> The death of Glaurung, who is 'golden-cloud' (-radiant)

It isn't quite satisfactorily coherent, I think, but I'll hazard a go at it anyway.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Nope smilies/wink.gif... Confused points to an anagram.

[Annunfuiniel]

Ok, I'm a bit rusty at these (due to excessive amount of role-playing...) but: is it Narsil/Anduril?

(Interested in my 'reasoning'? Well, so am I... smilies/wink.gif )

~Annun

[The Saucepan Man]

Could it be Orcrist?

I'm not altogether clear how it works but "old king" could give O and R, abbreviations for old and rex (king) respectively.

And if the confused word is stricken, but losing ken, a synonym for know, that gives "crist".

Putting them together gives Orcrist, a weapon used by a (nameless) hero of Gondolin in the wars against Morgoth and which witnessed the fall of an old king, Turgon.

As for the rest of it ... smilies/rolleyes.gif

Am I anywhere near?

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Er, nobody's hit it yet. The first paragraph is very important in order to solve the second paragraph. smilies/wink.gif smilies/wink.gif

[Lomadia]

Oh, boy... I'm guessing that the speaker is either Merry or Pippin. I was thinking Pippin's Elven brooch, but I don't think that a Hero of old ever used it... Then perhaps Merry's barrow-sword, but I don't think that Theoden died with greed on his tongue; it sounds more like Denenthor, but he's not a king! Maybe the Witch-King?
I was thinking that the woman would be Eowyn, who was nearly lost at the Pelennor Fields. Aragorn's arrival could be the hope of all (Estel could also be hinting toward this), and the shadows would probably be the darkness that was hanging over Gondor. Wow, this is so tricky!
Namarie,
Lomadia

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

It's Herugrim, the sword of Theoden.

In the beginning, I knew it!-Of course
Now I am all confused-Makes sense
I lost the one thing I know
A Hero of old had used-Relic of greater days

I saw an old king falling-Naturally
Greed was on his tongue-Grima put it there
A woman on the verge of lost-Poor Eowyn
Now stricken, on the run
Radiant shines the hope of all-Gandalf White
Shadows hover low-Grima at his feet
Tell me, friend, what have I lost

If, indeed, you know....

[Iarwain]

I'm going to guess that it is the Witchking's ring of power.

In the beginning, I knew it!- I knew where it was (on his finger)
Now I am all confused- lost/dissintigrated during his fall
I lost the one thing I know
A Hero of old had used- I believe he would have been considered a hero very much by the people of Angmar

I saw an old king falling- Eowyn fells the beast
Greed was on his tongue- obviously
A woman on the verge of lost- Eowyn indeed
Now stricken, on the run- the ride of the Rohirrim
Radiant shines the hope of all- the darkness breaks, giving sunlight to the Pellenor
Shadows hover low- witchking falls
Tell me, friend, what have I lost

If, indeed, you know....

There are possible variations on the meaning, but I think this works. Depending on how literally the word radiant is to be taken, "Radiant shines the hope of all", combined with "shadows hover low" could be Merry on the ground.

Iarwain

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Neither. The article in question is a First Age artifact. The story in question was one of the greater stories.

In the beginning refers to first letters. Confused refers to an anagram. The paragraph breakup is important. If I give any more cluse it will be telling the answer smilies/tongue.gif. Good luck.

Sophia

[Iarwain]

Is it Angrist?

In the beginning, I knew it!- I have yet to figure this out
Now I am all confused-
I lost the one thing I know
A Hero of old had used- If anyone is a hero, Beren was

I saw an old king falling- Morgoth with his iron crown
Greed was on his tongue- greed, or perhaps lust. He wanted Luithien to sing
A woman on the verge of lost- Luithien
Now stricken, on the run- running with beren to escape Angband, stricken because of the energy her song took
Radiant shines the hope of all- the Silmaril
Shadows hover low- in the prescense of the silmaril
Tell me, friend, what have I lost

If, indeed, you know....

We thinks we gotses it. Perhaps

Iarwain

P.S. Now I'm thinking It's Beren's severed hand

[ August 06, 2003: Message edited by: Iarwain ]

[Arestevana]

Iarwain:
I'm pretty sure you're right, but I've figured out that clue you were missing, if you want to add it to your reasoning: mixed up, the first letters of the clues in the second paragraph spell Angrist. smilies/wink.gif

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Iarwain, you are right. Your interpretation of the second paragraph is correct. Arestevana's interpretation of the other clues is also correct smilies/biggrin.gif.

But since Iarwain had the answer first, it's his go.

[Beren87]

I say we now ban Sophia from this thread, so she doesn't give us another one like that. smilies/tongue.gif

Anyway, good job Iarwain. That riddle gave me many a sleepless night. (Well, one, actually...but I like to exaggerate.)

[Iarwain]

Sorry for the wait, I was away. I'm sure this will be far too easy, but here it is. Enjoy! smilies/smile.gif

To none a slave, to some a master,
Who then is he,
that wanders after?
The death of all,
and life for none,
yet who am I,
that stay's alone?

Perhaps, they say,
I'm but a jest.
Perhaps they're right,
I think, for lest
the watchers clear my path,
I will remain
a tool for laughs.

[ August 14, 2003: Message edited by: Iarwain ]

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

Wormtongue? (reasons will be given upon confirmation of my corectness, I can't be bothered right now although I do have them...)

[aragornreborn]

Yourself! Er, Bombadil, anyway.

To none a slave, to some a master, - Certainly no one's slave but he has power over his borders

Who then is he,
that wanders after? - a very good question indeed.

The death of all,
and life for none,
yet who am I,
that stay's alone? - not quite sure what my reasoning is, here. But it sounds enigma-ish and thus Bombadil-ish.

Perhaps, they say,
I'm but a jest. - He could seem like a ridiculous, singing fellow.

Perhaps they're right,
I think, for lest
the watchers clear my path,
I will remain
a tool for laughs. - He could care less what other people think of him but he doesn't want he, his Goldberry, nor his lands bothered.

Is that it, perhaps?

[Iarwain]

Aragornreborn, you have it, though your logic isn't quite perfect.

To none a slave, to some a master, -you were correct
Who then is he,
that wanders after? -after all have fallen
The death of all, -see above
and life for none,
yet who am I,
that stay's alone? -alone in that he will be the last to die

Perhaps, they say,
I'm but a jest. -of course, the jolly singing man can be misunderstood
Perhaps they're right,
I think, for lest
the watchers clear my path, -this was intended to give the image of watchers looking down from above (i.e. readers)
I will remain
a tool for laughs. -and so he does

Anyway, your go, aragorn


Iarwain

[aragornreborn]

Thank you, Iarwain.

I must confess that I am quite used to simple riddles. So whenever I've posted one in this thread or the like it's been guessed the same day and then someone like Sophia or the Saucepan Man gives one of those cryptic riddles where you have to find a pattern amongst the syllables and then, using the first letter from the syllables corresponding to the pattern, form a hint to find what the key words are. Once you have found the hint, you have to find the key words in the riddle which must be translated to Latin and then the antonym of the Latin translation must be further translated into Hungarian. After you have traslated the key words to Hungarian, all you have to do is to take the third letter from each of those words. Once you've done that, you have all the letters, although mixed up, to form the answer that is alluded to from the rest of the riddle.

You do not have to worry about such things from me as I do not speak Hungarian. So, I shall leave those fluent in Hungarian to form and ponder over the cryptic riddles whilst I stick to my simple ones. (For those of you who make those cryptic riddles, I do sincerely hope you do not take offense to my teasing; for no harm was meant by it. And I hold you in the highest regard.)

Now then. Onto my riddle (all that other nonsense was to stall so I could think of one). Ha ha ha, oh dear me. I just thought of one.

My beginning was formed in darkness.
My end in telecommunications.
My whole was faster than thou.
And, no, I am not a cow.

There. I got my jollies from it. And, yes, it truly is Tolkien related.

[ August 14, 2003: Message edited by: aragornreborn ]

[Arestevana]

Shadowfax. smilies/biggrin.gif Fun!

[aragornreborn]

Yep. smilies/biggrin.gif Your go, Arestevana .

[Arestevana]

I don't have my books with me at the moment, so there's no way I'll be able to come up with a decent riddle. If someone else has one, feel free to take a turn. Otherwise I'll just post in few days once I find them.

[Iarwain]

I'll go.

Hopes are shattered,
Dreams awaken,
The old three cornered hat is taken.
Things expected broke asunder,
As they fell completely under.
Out of thought and the depths of time,
Returning then, sweetly sublime.


Even easier than my last, I'm sure, but it is what I've made it.


Iarwain

[ August 15, 2003: Message edited by: Iarwain ]

[ August 20, 2003: Message edited by: Iarwain ]

[ August 20, 2003: Message edited by: Iarwain ]

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Hopes are shattered,-loss of the Light of the Two Trees of Valinor
Dreams awaken,-Yavanna's idea to recall the Light from the Silmarils
The old three cornered hat is taken.-old three being the Silmarils
Expected things are split asunder.- not quite sure
As they fall completely under.
Out of thought and the depths of time,-Silmarils are lost
Returning then, sweetly sublime.-but they will be returned together eventually

I know this is a bit of a ball-park guess, but is the answer to the riddle the Silmarils?

Fea

[Iarwain]

Good logic, but wrong story. I think I might edit the riddle a little, but anyway, phrasing is key.


Iarwain

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Ooh! A compliment... I'm touched. Which story is it? Or would that be giving too much away?

Fea

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Okay, now that I asked my parents what a 'three cornered hat' is called, got the answer tricorn, searched for symbolic meaning, and the dictionary definitions, and then had an epiphany, hear's my new guess:

Hopes are shattered,- Wormtongue's hopes
Dreams awaken,- Rohirrim see their King again
The old three cornered hat is taken.- this, I am assuming means 'old tricorn', which can mean 'three protrusions, points, or horns', and so I get old Thrihyrne, thus Helm's Deep
Expected things are split asunder.-Saruman expected his orcs to win the battle
As they fall completely under.-the defeated orcs either died or ran under the canopy of the Huorns
Out of thought and the depths of time,-the orcs were never seen again
Returning then, sweetly sublime.-the Huorns then returned to Fangorn, having gotten even with the orcs.

My new solution: The Battle of Helm's Deep!

Fea

[Iarwain]

Nope!

I suppose this might be a little more vague than it seems to me. Here's a more direct clue: line four contains a quote from the text, and the tricorn bit isn't exactly about tricorns or the number three; it has distant historical symbolism, which (I should add) you probably won't tie in until you come to an answer. Good Luck! smilies/smile.gif

Iarwain

[Evisse the Blue]

Here's my 2 cents': You're talking about the fall of Saruman:
Hopes are shattered - Theoden and his people's hopes that Gandalf will aid them, when the spell of Saruman's voice kicked in.

Dreams awaken, - when Gandalf laughed at Saruman's words

The old three cornered hat is taken - the historical reference is maybe to the three cornered hat that Haman wore (Haman was a biblical high-official who wanted to destroy all the Jews because Esther's cousin did not want to bow to him - kind of similar to what Saruman was trying to do). The 'hat being taken is symbolic for his plans being thwarted.

Expected things are split asunder: Saruman's staff is split asunder . Not the full quote, though smilies/frown.gif

As they fall completely under ::wild guess:: Saruman and Wormtongue are completely and officially in trouble when the Palantir is dropped from the tower

Out of thought and the depths of time,
Returning then, sweetly sublime - reference to Gandalf - now Gandalf the White, who, returning from 'out of thought and time' caused Saruman's fall. OR maybe to the Palantir, who also returned out of deeps of time.

Well, I'm probably wrong anyway, but congratulations, Iarwain, for a lovely lyrical riddle! It's lovely and it sticks to mind. smilies/smile.gif

[Iarwain]

It takes some extraoridnary thinking to tie the book of Esther to a riddle about Middle-Earth. smilies/smile.gif Sadly, though, you were incorrect. smilies/frown.gif

Unfortunately, due to recklessness, I used the wrong quote. The riddle has been edited now, using the correct phrase. My most sincere appologies. smilies/rolleyes.gif

Iarwain

P.S. I probably wouldn't be able to write these riddles if they weren't lyrical. That's the only way I can think of subjects. smilies/smile.gif

P.P.S. You have part of the riddle perfect, Evisse, you're unbelievably close, so keep trying!

[ August 20, 2003: Message edited by: Iarwain ]

[Voralphion]

I think it might refer to Gandalf and his fight with the balrog


Hopes are shattered, ( the balrog appears)
Dreams awaken,
The old three cornered hat is taken. ( No idea)
Things expected broke asunder, (Gandalf's staff "broke asunder" as he broke the Bridge of Khazad-Dum)
As they fell completely under. (Gandalf and the balrog fell together under Moria to the roots of the earth)
Out of thought and the depths of time, (when he died he said he passed out of time)
Returning then, sweetly sublime. ( he returned from the dead)

[Dancing_Hobbit]

it seems to me that Voralphion probably has the last four lines right, but i'm not so sure about the first three. i'm probably totally off, but i would think that the line "the old three cornered hat is taken" is key, yet i have not idea what it means.

[Iarwain]

yes, close enough. It is about gandalf's fall.


Hopes are shattered -Gandalf the Grey falls

Dreams awaken -Gandalf the White comes

The old three cornered hat is taken -this is very much a peculiar connection that I make in my mind. I connect tricorns to America's colonial period, and when thinking of the colonial period, I think of the first settlers, who called themselves "pilgrims". Gandalf was, of course the Grey Pilgrim, and as he was taken away in Moria.

Things expected broke asunder -you were correct here

As they fell completely under -Gandalf falls into the chasm, presumably with the broken bits of his staff

out of thought and the depths of time -in the White Rider, the quote is "out of thought and time"

returning then, sweetly sublime -indeed

Your turn Voralphion,
Iarwian

[ August 24, 2003: Message edited by: Iarwain ]

[Voralphion]

Although I answered it correctly, unfortunately I am unable to come up with a new riddle. If someone else wants to go instead go ahead, or I will continue to try and think one up.

[Iarwain]

I'll go again, I suppose. smilies/smile.gif

What lies beneath this fallen world?
The cold expanse with darkness filled.
The winding paths that crush the mind,
They fall to dreaded depths, yet climb
To bitter heights cruelly unkind.

Whilst chambers daunt and haunt the lost
Never to waken, minds cold with frost.
Eager for death, not yet to die,
first live to come, last dead to lie.
All this has passed, ere came the Eye.

Hope this one isn't too vague!

Iarwain

[ August 24, 2003: Message edited by: Iarwain ]

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

If I may take two guesses (and impishly fail to give my reasons smilies/smile.gif): the vale of Minas Morgul, or Avathar of Aman.

[Iarwain]

Neither. Keep guessing!

[Arvedui III]

Herm, perhaps the Dead Marshes?

[Burzdol]

If it isn't the Dead Marshes, then the only place that sort off is like that is Mordor, I guess.

[Finwe]

Is this Angband? Something about chambers and darkness kind of alerted me to that.

[Iarwain]

Finwe has it. Good job, or lucky guess? smilies/wink.gif

What lies beneath this fallen world?
The cold expanse with darkness filled.
The winding paths that crush the mind,
They fall to dreaded depths, yet climb
To bitter heights cruelly unkind.

Whilst chambers daunt and haunt the lost
Never to waken, minds cold with frost.
Eager for death, not yet to die,
first live to come, last dead to lie.
All this has passed, ere came the Eye.

Quite. smilies/smile.gif

Carry on,
Iarwain

[Finwe]

Actually, the phrases "winding paths" and "bitter heights" gave it away, since Mordor doesn't really have "bitter heights," or at least not compared to Angband.

This one's going to be a little hard.

Made of gold,
Encrusted with jewels,
Adorned a mighty man,
Still adorns that mighty man,
Witnessed a foolish master,
Condemn himself while under,
the influence of bee-food,
Or partially bee-food at least,
Witnessed a moment of paranoia,
Watched him pass away,
In a place where others passed away,
But didn't really pass away.

[Iarwain]

Would that be Sauron's tounge, or Ar-Pharazon's clothes?

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

I'll guess at Ar-Pharazon's crown, although if this is true the next riddle should be given to Iarwain.

[Iarwain]

No, no, m'lord. If it is his crown, then you have won it. When I said clothes, I meant no more than clothes. smilies/smile.gif

Iarwain