EVIL creatures

[mordor136]

this is just like any other normal topic. here we go.

What is the name of the creature known as the watcher in the water smilies/biggrin.gif

[Turambar]

The Kraken?

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Professor Tolkien never says.

[mordor136]

there are many ways of finding out. kraken is correct.

[Nefwathiel Teleri]

Hi Mordor 136. How are ya? Go check out my threads. Stop sitting around and go. Go. GO!!!!!!!! I say, GO!!!!!!!!!!!
smilies/smile.gif I know, I'm a little wacky.

[Nefwathiel Teleri]

Where are you? Where'd ya go?

[Bruce MacCulloch]

mordor136 - Where did you get that information? I can't find that anywhere in Professor Tolkien's writings.

[mordor136]

i dont remember where i read it but kraken is correct. try not to be toooo picky and relax

[zifnab]

I agree with Bruce on this one. I think "Kraken" is just a term that others have labeled it.

Kraken is the legendary sea monster that we now know of today as the Giant Squid. So if we may call it Kraken then couldn't we call it a "Dianoga"? smilies/wink.gif

Dianoga is a muddy-colored squid-like creature which thrives in dank environments, patiently waiting for morsels big enough to satisfy its appetite. The seven-tentacled creature ensnares its prey and attempts to drag it into its hungry mouth.

The Watcher in the Water is just another mysterious creature in Tolkiens writing.

But I do remember seeing an old thread on the issue, and if I remember correctly Turambar was in it?

[mordor136]

sorry if my info was incorrect everybody but i really did read that somewhere

[Luthien_ Tinuviel]

Just in case anybody ever looks at this thread again, I just thought I'd say that the watcher in the water is called a kraken in the "Tolkien Bestiary"

[zifnab]

I have never read Tolkien Bestiary, but I know it isn't written by J.R.R. Tolkien but by David Day. According to Micheal Martinez who is a respected Eldar to the Barrowdowns(or so I hear)...

These books make good conversationalist pieces, but the reader should beware. They won't teach you much about Tolkien's world and what little they have to offer in the way of accurate information is washed away by the unauthorized additions and changes.

[Nefwathiel Teleri]

He's right:it never says

[Sapphire_Flame]

How about we drop this and ask a new question? mordor, what do you think?

[Silmarien]

Since no-one has said anything for a while I'll ask a question to resurect this thread.
What were the Balrogs originally?

[Lyra Greenleaf]

spirits of fire from the north. they were ainur, like melian.

[Silmarien]

well done. Please continue. smilies/biggrin.gif

[mordor136]

I have sadly been absent from this forum for a while and was shocked to see one my threads up here so thanks Silmarien for resurecting my thread

[Tinuviel the Nightingale]

Can someone ask a question now? smilies/tongue.gif

[Beren87]

Give Lyra time, it's only been 3 days.

[Lyra Greenleaf]

thanks Beren, sorry i kept everyone waiting.

what type of dragon was scatha?

[piosenniel]

Scatha is a Long-worm. From the Grey Mountains of the North.

[Lyra Greenleaf]

Oops, I did it again. (I really honestly didn't mean that to come out like Britney Spears song) But continue, please, you're right pio!

[ April 07, 2003: Message edited by: Lyra Greenleaf ]

[piosenniel]

They live, "Far, far below the deepest delvings of the Dwarves . . ." gnawing at the world.

What are they called?

[Nuranar]

Um...(here's a go without the books)..."nameless creatures" or something like that. I remember the passage, just not the phrasing. *calls brother on cell phone to find the specifics*

[piosenniel]

Close enough to get the brass ring, Nuranar!

"Far, far below the deepest delvings of the Dwarves, the world is gnawed by nameless things."

Words of Gandalf
from The Two Towers III 5 The White Rider

Please Continue!

[Nuranar]

Who dwelt in Dungortheb, where "horror and madness walked"?

[piosenniel]

Would that be the offspring of Ungoliant?

[Nuranar]

Right on the money. Your go!

[piosenniel]

"Later in the year, having gathered his strength and completed his design, Morgoth at last loosed his assault upon Nargothrond.

*_________* the Urulókë passed over the Anfauglith..."

Who is *_________*?

[Nuranar]

"Glaurung the Urulókë [or fire-drake] passed over the Anfauglith..."

My list of resources grows thin...this is hard without the books!

[piosenniel]

My list of resources grows thin

I suddenly flashed on the scene from FOTR where Elrond says to Gandalf, "Our list of allies grows thin . . ."

But I digress - your are correct, carry on!

[Nuranar]

I suddenly flashed on the scene from FOTR where Elrond says to Gandalf, "Our list of allies grows thin . . ."

It is also in my mind.

"Unlike the older race of the Twilight they could endure the Sun, so long as the will of Sauron held sway over them."

Who - or what - are "they"?

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

I want to say Trolls (like the one Pippin got in RoTK), but I'm really not positive.

[alaklondewen]

Could it be Goblins? I think they could withstand the sun, maybe...

[Nuranar]

Right direction...think more specifically.

[piosenniel]

Uruk-hai

[Nuranar]

Nay, fair lady. But that kind of specificity is good. (Is that a word?)

[piosenniel]

Specificity is indeed a word. And here is a little more of it: smilies/wink.gif

"But at the end of the Third Age a troll-race not before seen appeared in southern Mirkwood and in the mountain borders of Mordor. Olog-hai they were called in the Black Speech. That Sauron bred them none doubted, though from what stock was not known. Some held that they were not Trolls but giant Orcs; but the Olog-hai were in fashion of body and mind quite unlike even the largest of Orc-kind, whom they far surpassed in size and power. Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race, strong, agile, fierce and cunning, but harder than stone. Unlike the older race of the Twilight they could endure the Sun... They spoke little, and the only tongue they knew was the Black Speech of Barad-dur." The Return of the King, by J.R.R. Tolkien

[Nuranar]

Whoop for specificity!

Your turn!

[piosenniel]

Simple one coming up: (I do want all three questions answered)

From FA 457 - 467, Tol Sirion was controlled by Shadow.

Who controlled it, what was it renamed, and who was 'the messenger'?

[Faenaduial]

Tol Sirion FA 457 - 467:

Controlled by - Sauron
Renamed - Tol-in-Gaurhoth
Messenger - Thuringwethil

[piosenniel]

Perfect! Continue please!

[Faenaduial]

Here is two parter,

What was the name of the great wolf of Angband and what is the translation of the name?

[The Saucepan Man]

Carcharoth, meaning The Red Maw or Anfauglir, meaning Jaws of Thirst.

Gotta love that Complete Tolkien Companion. smilies/biggrin.gif

[Faenaduial]

You are correct.

I like your new avatar but I miss your clacky ball thingy Saucepan Man!

[The Saucepan Man]

Ah, it was time for the clacky ball thingy to be pensioned off. smilies/smile.gif

Part 1) Who was the chief messenger between Morgoth in Angband and Sauron in Tol-in-Gaurnoth?

Part 2) What does the name mean and what language is it?

[ April 16, 2003: Message edited by: The Saucepan Man ]

[elven maiden Earwen]

1)Thuringwethil
2)woman of secert shadow,quenya(im guessing)?????

[The Saucepan Man]

Well the language was Sindarin. But since you got the rest Earwen, I think you should have it. So, please proceed ... smilies/smile.gif

[elven maiden Earwen]

gloomweaver?

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Ungoliant?

[elven maiden Earwen]

correct

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

What was the unfortunate fate of Ufthak?

Sophia

[elven maiden Earwen]

captured, poisend, and eaterm by Shelob.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

beautiful smilies/smile.gif Your turn Earwen

[elven maiden Earwen]

grave-man?

[Nuranar]

Uncle! Uncle!

Please give us a hint!

[piosenniel]

'grave man' - literal definition of 'barrow wight' (evil spirit out of Angmar sent to dwell there by the Witch-king)

[elven maiden Earwen]

'Tis correct it is Barrow-Weight

[arcticstorm]

10 day rule
who did Sauron call his "Cat" and why, according to tolkein, is this not an accurate nickname?

[mormegil]

Is it Shelob and that Sauron didn't "own" her?

[arcticstorm]

very close, but not quite

[mormegil]

Ok is it that she owns him not?

[arcticstorm]

There we go mormegil, She doesn't own Sauron

your question

[mormegil]

How many tongues did Glaurung have?

[mormegil]

It's 7

*bump*

Anybody take over it they'd like.

[LadyLúthien]

Okay, I'll ask one..

Who is the mightiest of the winged dragons, and what does their name mean?

[arcticstorm]

It was ancalagon the black

and the two parts of his name
anca: jaws
alagon: swan

so I am guessing swan jaws or jaws of the swan or something of that sort as to what his name means

[LadyLúthien]

Jaws of Thirst is what it means, but I'll give it to you. Your question arcticstorm