Copy-Cat Quotes

[Lostgaeriel]

Quotes in this thread are phrases uttered by more than one character - let's say in any/all the books. Identify at least 2 characters who said:
But handsome is as handsome does...

Bonus points for identifying who was spoken to and the circumstances or the book(s) and chapters.

RULE UPDATES:

1) To make it easier to find a suitable quote, find a short phrase or even a distinctive single word that's not used too many times in the book(s). Note too, that sometimes the "copied" quote is on the same page as the original. That still fits the "rules".

2) Let's keep the thread active. If it's your turn to ask, but you can't find something, please say you pass. Then someone else can ask. Let's try to keep it to one open question at a time. (Questioners: remember to give hints if we need help!)

[ January 13, 2002: Message edited by: Lostgaeriel ]

[Turambar]

Good idea for a thread, Lostgariel!

I know one person who says this, but I'llwait to post it until I remember the other.

[Marileangorifurnimaluim]

Sam and the Gaffer (well, he quotes the Gaffer) annnnnnd... making a guess here - Bilbo?

[Turambar]

Yeah Sam says it to Faramir after he (Sam) stupidly reveals that Frodo has the one ring. I can't remember when Bilbo says it.

[Marileangorifurnimaluim]

Oh the other person was Pippin, regarding "Strider" when they were all suspicious of him - Pippin, and then later Sam (in Ithilien as said above).

[Marileangorifurnimaluim]

Oh drat - Lostgaeriel? Lostgaeriel - ? Turambar, I think we've lost Lostgaeriel to Christmas vacation. I'd love to know if I got it right.

-Maril

[ December 29, 2001: Message edited by: Marileangorifurnimaluim ]

[Lostgaeriel]

Yes, Marileangorifurnimaluim has answered it!

Go ahead, if you have a quote that fits. (I know there's at least one more in LOTR.)

Sorry for the delay. My holiday hiatus from the computer was longer than I expected.

[Marileangorifurnimaluim]

Man... that's a tall order. I've been looking, getting a lot of near misses.

[Turambar]

It's your turn Maril, but one other quote I know of that's repeated (I think anyway) is the one about "Do not meddle in the affair of wizards, etc." Having said that, I can't remember the 2d person who says it !

[Legolas]

Hmm...well, which speaker do you remember? Gildor?

[Turambar]

Yes Gildor said it and I belive either Frodo or Sam (or Pippin?) repeat it at some point, but I can't quite remember.

[HerenIstarion]

There are even three persong saying this. First is Gildor (the Author), than comes Sam (quoting Gildor), and than Merry (quoting Sam as quoting Gildor - persuading Pippin not to look into the Palantir)

[Lostgaeriel]

Hey Maril et al! To make it easier to find a suitable quote, find a short phrase or even a distinctive single word that's not used too many times in the book(s). Note too, that sometimes the "copied" quote is on the same page as the original. That still fits the "rules". I'm finding lots of examples that way.

[Elendur]

I wish to ask a question. Because this thread is very unique in the amount of research it would take to find such quotes, can we post our findings any time we like even out of order? I know it is Maril's turn to find a quote, but it will obviously take a good deal of time to do so. And because I have one now, and I think you will have a tough time figuring the answer out, I was wondering if I can post it immediately.

I am awaiting a response. I would not think of breaking the rules like I have done in the past. But I thought this thread should be an exception.

[Turambar]

I agree, Elendur. In this thread the tough part is ASKING the qustion, not answering it.

[Lostgaeriel]

Sure, let's keep the thread active. If it's your turn to ask, but you can't find something, please say you pass. Then someone else can ask. Should we try to keep it to one open question at a time? Or should we allow up to 3 open questions if we get stumped?

So go ahead Elendur. (Maril - please ask when you've got a question.)

[Lostgaeriel]

OK, while we're waiting for Elendur and Marileangorifurnimaluim to post questions, I thought I'd ask about the "affairs of wizards" quote and post a new quote to work on.

Gildor says "Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards..." in Three is Company. And Merry says it in The Palantir - and says he is quoting Sam. But where in LOTR does Sam say this?

Try this pair:
(...) Black Riders!
(...) Black Riders?
It's surprising how rarely this comes up. (You can use the Index to find these.)

[ January 16, 2002: Message edited by: Lostgaeriel ]

[Marileangorifurnimaluim]

Re: Waiting for Godot

Problem with answering is you have to come up with a question. Yeeesh. This is hard.
Go on without me guys. It's a great idea but these are tough. I'm in the middle of major end of year financials at the office so I'm not going to have time to search for one.

[Turambar]

Pippin says it when they finally meet Merry in Buckland. And Merry says it in Bree "I have seem them Frodo - Black Riders!".

[Lostgaeriel]

Yes, Merry says in Bree "I have seem them Frodo - Black Riders!". Note that Frodo comes right back at Merry with the same. [Maybe I wasn't clear with the "(...) Black Riders!" I meant that there may or may not be other words before the phrase.]

But Pippin's comment in the house in Crickhollow is a statement, not an exclamation. He says "We were all scared. You would have been, too, if you had been chased for two days by Black Riders."

And of course Frodo asks, as the conspiracy is unmasked, "But what about the Black Riders? Would it be safe to wait one day for Gandalf?"

Check out the meeting with Gildor near Woodhall. "Black Riders!" and "Black Riders?" coming out of everyone's mouths!!!

"(...) Black Riders?" doesn't turn up again until Pippin reaches Minas Tirith.

Considering how omnipresent the Ringwraiths are, it's remarkable how infrequently they are referred to as Black Riders. Or maybe not, since they stop riding horses and start riding those flying creatures.

Your turn, Turambar.

[Turambar]

"What have I said? What have I done?" What two characters say this?

[Eowyn of Ithilien]

Boromir and Frodo

[Turambar]

Yep you got it. These copycat quotes are tough to find - good luck Eowyn.

[Eowyn of Ithilien]

sorry I haven't posted earlier; my ISP lost it smilies/frown.gif
"and I will follow if I can"

[Gayalondiel]

Bilbo and Frodo, both in versions of 'The Road goes ever on and on'

i think

[Eowyn of Ithilien]

smilies/smile.gif you're right

[Gayalondiel]

Oh, crumbs. these are tough to find.

Ok, this may be a bit too easy...

"Seek for the sword that was broken"

First guy's easy, second one not so, i think. smilies/smile.gif

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Boromir (at the Council)and Frodo (to Faramir in Ithilien)

[Bruce MacCulloch]

What have I done? smilies/eek.gif Now I have to find a question. smilies/frown.gif

[Gayalondiel]

Absolutely right Bruce.

Good Luck.... smilies/wink.gif

[Bruce MacCulloch]

harken now

[Androndo the Thoughtfull]

Tom Bombadil to the Hobbits - a "come and help us" poem:

By fire, sun and moon, harken now and hear us!

And Frodo in THE BARROW-DOWNS called Bombadil with the same poem!

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Androndo, very nice!
Your turn.
That's two questions of mine in two different topics you answered today - maybe I should make my questions harder. :P

[Androndo the Thoughtfull]

Well... isn't it beginners luck or something? smilies/biggrin.gif

Easy one... come with a guess:

Hail, Lord of the Mark!

(had to change the first one... the spelling wasn't the same the second place... oops...)

[ February 03, 2002: Message edited by: Androndo the Thoughtfull ]

[Eowyn of Ithilien]

Theoden and Eomer
*guessing* lol

[Androndo the Thoughtfull]

One right, one to go...

Théoden sad Hail! King of the mark...

[Eowyn of Ithilien]

Theoden and Gandalf to Eomer????

[Androndo the Thoughtfull]

nope...

[Gayalondiel]

Eomer and Eowyn? (at a guess)

[Androndo the Thoughtfull]

Thats it! Your turn! (And send my regards to your poor little brother smilies/smile.gif )

[Gayalondiel]

And send my regards to your poor little brother

heh heh heh... smilies/evil.gif

ok, ermm... an easy one cos i can't think of anything else, these are difficult!

Faramir! Faramir!

[Androndo the Thoughtfull]

The first time it was 'men' that cried it, when 'they' bore him into Minas Tirith...

I can't find the second... :-(

--- This was an officially help to all others ;-) ---

[Narya]

Maybe the second time is just Pippin shouting "Faramir!Faramir!" with the people of Minas Tirith.?

[Gayalondiel]

That's where I have it, you have the crowd shouting it THEN you have Pippin joining in with the crowd, as a main character i counted him separate. Sorry if it confused...

Fight it out between yourselves who gets to post next smilies/wink.gif

[Narya]

hmmm.. i think I have a quote.
If you don´t mind Androndo, I´ll ask it

BtW:When Faramir comes to Minas Tirith after he has escaped from the Nazgul they shout "Faramir" but also when he is nearly dead and carried into the town the people cry and say his name... smilies/smile.gif

[Androndo the Thoughtfull]

I don't have any... you go Narya...

[Narya]

Okay..
Here´s it:
"My precious."
It is said by two people and well ... i think you should have guessed the first one already
smilies/smile.gif

[Androndo the Thoughtfull]

Gollum and Bilbo...

[Narya]

Yes, exactly
I first though it would be a bit more difficult
smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Androndo the Thoughtfull]

I have learned someting: Only post a reply if you can make a ney question smilies/wink.gif

so - if anyone has a copy-cat quote fell free to post - i simply can't come up with something...

[Lostgaeriel]

OK. I've got a few waiting to post. How about this one? (Easy - find one instance and you've found both.)

...Aragorn comes into his own...

[Bruce MacCulloch]

No way! I had a bad enough time finding a question last time, I'm not falling for that trick again! smilies/tongue.gif

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Gimli to Legolas and Legolas to Gimli, in Minas Tirith after the Battle of the Pelennor Fields, discussing the improvements that each of their peoples can make to Minas Tirith.

[Elendur]

Who were the two people who said this quote:

How the wind howls!

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Elendur - it wasn't your turn. I was waiting for Lostgariel to acknowledge my answer before asking the next question. smilies/frown.gif
And to answer your question anyway, it was Frodo and Aragorn before the Wargs attacked.

[ February 13, 2002: Message edited by: Bruce MacCulloch ]

[Elendur]

Sorry Bruce. I thought it was agreed that we could post whenever we found a double quote in the book.

You are right though. I just wanted to give a quote out for fun. Not meaning to wreck the structure of the thread.

[Bruce MacCulloch]

No harm done, Elendur. smilies/wink.gif
But if I don't hear from Lostgariel by this time tomorrow, I am going to post the next question.

[ February 14, 2002: Message edited by: Bruce MacCulloch ]

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Well, It's been four days since I answered the question and I've gotten no confirmation of it. I've had time to go and double-check my answer in the book, and it looks like I'm right. So... I'm going to go ahead and post the next quote. Come hither!

[Androndo the Thoughtfull]

harken, hither and wager ... Haha... i allways remember where the odd words are smilies/biggrin.gif (i especially remember 'hither' bequase it looks a little like Hitler..)

Elrond speaking to the council of Frodo.

Faramir to Gollum...

Aragorn to Êowyn...

Denethor to his servants...

Anything else mylord smilies/tongue.gif?

(Does this meen i have to find 2 copy-cat quotes? aaargh!)

[ February 14, 2002: Message edited by: Androndo the Thoughtfull ]

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Correct!
Good luck finding matching quotes! smilies/tongue.gif
You'll need it.

[Androndo the Thoughtfull]

ok, describe two situations 'Good Gracious' is said...

*and now by good management and good luck I have done it.*

[ February 15, 2002: Message edited by: Androndo the Thoughtfull ]

[Lostgaeriel]

So sorry, Bruce!
I forgot I had posted a question and I've been away from the Downs ever since. Of course you got it. Glad to see you went ahead.

[Vilya Elathelas of Rivendell]

i'm pretty sure I've got one. can I post it, or must I wait?? smilies/confused.gif

[Joy]

Vilya, if you have a copy-cat quote, start another thread. In order to post a question, you must answer correctly the post before it.

Which was Where are the two place where "Good Gracious" is spoken?

Good luck Vilya and great to have you aboard the Barrow-Downs. Hope you enjoy your stay here.

[Vilya Elathelas of Rivendell]

is it LOTR or the Sil cuz I haven't read the Sil yet.

[Joy]

I honestly think that it is either in LotR or the Hobbit. I remember reading it and those are the only books that I have read, except for 7 chapters of the Sil.

[Gayalondiel]

I sort of have two, both from the hobbit, but neither is 'good gracious' standing alone.

Bilbo says 'Good Gracious me' when he recognises Gandalf at the beginning.

Gandalf says 'Good gracious heavens, no no NO NO' when Bilbo thinks Beorn is a furrier.

Good enough? smilies/smile.gif

[Gayalondiel]

I make it eight days i've been waiting for a reply to this. i have a new quote though, should i post it or keep waiting?

[Joy]

I would say go ahead. You've waited pasgt the 7 day rule.

[Gayalondiel]

ok then, which two said:
Mr Peregrin Took I should say

[Eowyn of Ithilien]

errrrm father maggott and gandalf???

[Gayalondiel]

farmer maggott is good, the other is not really that close.

good guess tho smilies/wink.gif

[Lostgaeriel]

Just to get this thread going again...

Wasn't it Sam who said Why, look Mr. Frodo! Look here! Well, if it isn't Pippin. Mr. Peregrin Took I should say, and Mr. Merry! How they have grown! Bless me! But I can see there's more tales to tell than ours. (The Field of Cormallen)

And as Éowyn of Ithilien originally answered, Farmer Maggot said Well, if it isn't Master Pippin - Mr. Peregrin Took, I should say! (A Short Cut to Mushrooms)

So, Gayalondiel, is that correct?

[Gayalondiel]

absolutely right! and good luck eith your quote,they're getting harder to find smilies/smile.gif

[Lostgaeriel]

No problem - I had a dozen or so before I started the thread. (Sorry for the delay - I've been away from the Downs for a week or so.)

How long have you known all this?

[alaklondewen]

I thought this sounded so familiar...
Frodo says it twice to Gandalf in The Shadow of the Past.

It that what you're looking for?

[Lostgaeriel]

Yep, that's it! (I sometimes think that Gandalf isn't a very good listener. Likes to hear himself talk? smilies/wink.gif )

Got a quote?

[alaklondewen]

I sure do!

How about...
Say just that!

[Gayalondiel]

erm, well pippin says it repeating sauron's words to him, do we count sauron as having a quote of his own?

[alaklondewen]

You're close enough. Pippen says it twice. Once when he was still in his "trance", and the other when describing what Sauron said.

Good job, your turn smilies/smile.gif

[Gayalondiel]

oh no, i have to find another? smilies/rolleyes.gif

ok, how about ...was an Elven-king

the (...) is NOT the same both times. Once its a name,once its a few words. sorry its poor, i'm running out smilies/wink.gif

[ April 10, 2002: Message edited by: Gayalondiel ]

[Gwaihir]

I can see it's been a while since anyone has posted on this thread, but I've just wandered in and I think I know that quote,
...was an Elven king
Sam says it once, "Gil-galad was an Elven king...", singing The Fall of Gil-galad. I think Legolas says it again when he's singing in Lothlorien "...Of old he was an Elven king..."

[merlilot]

Yeah, you are right, but you probably need to wait for the questioner to answer you... smilies/frown.gif

Sigh. *hugs Pippin* poor guy ... in a trance and all! *hugs him again* Who else thinks Pippin needs hugs? (Like after throwing the rock down the well and everyone is so mean to him?)

[Gwaihir]

Well, he's been gone a while... What's that rule? Wait one week? I think it's been long enough so I'm going to post the next one, hope that's ok. I've seen this quote about six times in the book and two of them are obvious, so... I'd say find three or four and then you can have a turn.

They are coming


By the way, you're right. Pippin goes through alot more than he's given credit for. Imagine the guilt after Gandalf falls...

[merlilot]

Awwwwwwwww.....*hugs Pippin again* We know you didn't mean to be so clumsy and goofy!

Ummm, I know it was written in the Record-book (does that count?), and if I am not mistaken, Gandalf and Gimli say it immediately before the Company is attacked.

[Gwaihir]

Right, it was in the book and that counts as a quote because Gandalf reads it out loud. Also, after he finishes reading, when they hear the drums, Legolas and Gimli repeat it (I know you said Gandalf and Gimli, but I'm pretty sure you were thinking of this). Those were the two obvious ones I was talking about, can you find any more?

[merlilot]

Gimme a hint: were the other quotes in the same chapter?
And yes, I was thinking Legolas.

[Gwaihir]

Well, it was said lots of times... Though as far as I know none of them were in the same chapter as the ones you found. Lets see... I can think of one or two times when they say it in The Two Towers, and at least one in Return of the King... Here's a hint, in RotK they say it in rejoice. I hope that helps.

[merlilot]

ok, "They are coming"

Gandalf reads it from the Book of Mazarbul
Legolas says it when they hear feet coming
Orcs from Isengard taunt the Northerners, sayin "They're coming!" as all the Orcs run, with Merry and Pippin in tow.

I can't find the one in ROTK...Is this enough?

[Gwaihir]

I guess that's enough. I seem to remember them saying it at Helm's Deep but I haven't checked on that one, so I didn't count it. They also say it in RotK when Pippin and Bergil (is that the kids name?) are watching the riders come in the chapter Minas Tirith. I think it's said again at some point, but I can't remember right now. Good job!

[merlilot]

After all that work, I pass...I can't find any, but I am not looking hard enough, I guess. Someone else can go.

[Lindolirian]

Hey! You have my picture. I'm Agent Elrond!! smilies/frown.gif

[Lostgaeriel]

This thread has been dead a long time.

New copy-cat quote:
So be it
said by 3 persons, that I know of.

[hobbitlass]

I can think of a ton of people but it is from the movie and that doesn't mean it was said in the book.
Give a hint before this cool game is dead again!

[Lostgaeriel]

This quote is from the book The Lord of the Rings. I found it said by three different persons. It may have been said even more times. (I think the tone of the language may be some clue.)

No more hints until someone gives it a good try. I have no problem with threads lying dorment for months. A thread is not really dead unless the last question has been answered and no one has asked a new question. Six days is hardly any time for a thread to lie about. Let's wait for someone who is keen enough to take the time to look up the quotes. Open your book, Hobbitlass! smilies/wink.gif

This game is supposed to be more difficult than a regular quotes game.

P.S. I never post a quote that I have not verified from the print source.

[hobbitlass]

You misunderstood me. I clearly remember Gandalf saying "so be it" in the movie when Frodo decides to go to Moria, but Gandalf did not say that in the book. At least not in that particular scene. That's why i brought up book/movie.
And yes I do open my books, I had been looking up a handful of other quotes and was tired when I got to this one. I usually answer with direct quotes or at least give background info.
And I commend you on your patience. I don't have much. And if you dont believe me than you can go to quiz room, one thing in common page 6 and see how I really messed that up for myself smilies/biggrin.gif .
I do intend to have a go with this one. I love challenges. Unless someone beats me to it. So no hard feelings I hope smilies/smile.gif .

[Lostgaeriel]

Sorry about my previous reply, hobbitlass. I misunderstood your meaning completely.

I would give you a hint, but I can't think of a hint that won't just give the answer away. Wait! This isn't much help, maybe, but there's no need to look in The Two Towers for any of the 3 instances of the quote:
So be it

[hobbitlass]

Actually, that helps much because that's where I've been looking. And I still am. Remember, I never said I was quick in finding answers though! Let us not be hasty. smilies/biggrin.gif Thank you for the clue.

[hobbitlass]

Yes! Yes! Yes! I finally found them, at least two of them. Here goes...
"...Ghan-buri-Ghan will not lead you into trap. He will go himself with father of Horse-men, and if he leads you wrong, you will kill him."
"So be it!" said Theoden.
AND
Boromir looked at them doubtfully, but he bowed his head. "So be it", he said. "Then in Gondor we must trust to such weapons as we have."

[Lostgaeriel]

Ooh! hobbitlass! You found one I didn't recall - BONUS MARKS for Théoden. For that I give you the victory.

If you want to add to your fame & glory, there are two (or more?) to go. The two I'm thinking of are together and they're related smilies/wink.gif to your second quote.

Well, hobbitlass, to save you rifling through the book - the other 2 instances I found were Denethor & Faramir as the Captain of Ithilien reported to the Steward of Gondor in The Siege of Gondor.

[ December 09, 2002: Message edited by: Lostgaeriel ]

[hobbitlass]

for a little while
both times are said in RotK

[hobbitlass]

It has almost been a full month, so I suppose a hint should be given.

Person #2 said it to person #1 as a reply to what person #1 said.
Then person #1 kind of repeats the dialogue at person #2's gravesite.

Or you can read copy-cat of copy-cat because this had already been done. smilies/frown.gif It's hard coming up with one and then having two threads going. Oh well. Did not mean to be a copy-cat ijn that way smilies/biggrin.gif

[ January 02, 2003: Message edited by: hobbitlass ]

[Russandol]

I shall pick this thread up again if you don't mind Hobbitlass smilies/biggrin.gif

There is another instance of that quote in ROTK ...

Boromir it was that drove the enemy at last back from this western shore, and we hold still the near half of Osgiliath. For a little while. But we await now a new onslaught there.

Beregond to Pippin in the embrasure of the sixth circle of Minas Tirith

And of course the two you were referring to:

'As a father you shall be to me,' said Merry.
'For a little while,' said Theoden

&

'Théoden King, Théoden King! Farewell! As a father you were to me. for a little while. Farewell!'

I am sure there are quite probably others that I've overlooked .. it's a common enough phrase .. I wanted to revive this thread as copy-cats are good at making you flick through your books again !

[hobbitlass]

Ah! It has re-awakened. Very good, your turn.

[Russandol]

Agh .. what did I do ... a madness took me, but it has passed ... come baaaaack !!!


Hmm .. this is a torment chasing up for these things .. right, here's mine

This is just for LOTR and I've found it twice and if there are more instances, I'll stand corrected ....

Time is short.

[eleanor_niphredil]

First time:

"I have stayed already to long," answered Gandalf "time is short. but if there were a year to spend, I would not tell you all."

second time was Gandalf again:

"On Shadowfax! We must hasten. Time is short. see! the beacons of Gondor are alight"

Ta da!

[ January 24, 2003: Message edited by: eleanor_niphredil ]

[Russandol]

Have a cigar Eleanor!!

Your turn now .... muahahaha smilies/evil.gif

[eleanor_niphredil]

Dont mind if I do. How about this one?

I've made up my mind.

Shouldnt be to hard...

[Galadriel55]

I think that's Aragorn to Gili and Legolas when deciding whether to keep up the chase or take a break during the night. I don't recall any different occasion, though. Gandalf in Moria when deciding which way to go, perhaps?