Proverbs, Adages, Aphorisms, Saws, Wise Sayings & Clichés

[Lostgaeriel]

To start, who said: Live and learn!

[ March 21, 2002: Message edited by: Lostgaeriel ]

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Samwise, in Lothlórien after "roosting like a bird" and "trying to walk like a spider".

[Lostgaeriel]

Yep! Your turn.

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Give with a free hand, but give only your own.

[The Half-Hobbit]

I do believe that sounds like Labadal, Turin's friend. Said after Turin gave him a gift of a tool he had found lying around. smilies/smile.gif

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Yep! Sador Labadal is correct!

[ March 25, 2002: Message edited by: Bruce MacCulloch ]

[The Half-Hobbit]

Ok, how about this one:

"They are sailing, sailing, sailingover the sea, they are going into the West and leaving us."

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Samwise, holding forth at the Green Dragon.

[The Half-Hobbit]

You got it! I love that quote. Sam is such the little poet.

[Bruce MacCulloch]

There are other needs than livelihood that drive a man.

[HerenIstarion]

Aldarion to Tar-Meneldur his father about Erendis dan delay of marriage

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Absolutely correct, H-I!

[HerenIstarion]

For such is the way of it: to find and lose, as it seems to those whose boat is on the running stream

[Belsirithil]

"Life's not supposed to be fair." --Chris Garies smilies/frown.gif smilies/smile.gif

[Eowyn of Ithilien]

I'm probably wrong :/ but Celeborn expressed a similar sentiment when speaking to Aragorn

[Belsirithil]

Are you talking to me, Eowyn?? You said "similar," though... "Chris Garies" is my deceased dad.I always use his quotes now.

[HerenIstarion]

neither Celeborn, nor Belsirithil's father :)

[Belsirithil]

Huh? My dad said that, darn it! Are you denying it? People may say, "Life's not fair," but only my dad said, "Life's not supposed to be fair." At least, he's the only one I've heard say that, or even heard of.

[Eowyn of Ithilien]

lol no, sorry, I was talking about HI's quote

[Belsirithil]

Oh, heh heh... smilies/wink.gif

[Thréndel]

Who said this (It's really easy)
"Don't be too eager to deal out death and judgement..."

[Altariel]

Gandalf, to Frodo. When Frodo says that he wishes Bilbo had "killed that wretched creature" (Gollum), Gandalf says (this is not exactly right) "Many live that deserve death, and some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement..." Something like that.

[HerenIstarion]

Nice, yet first geuss out my quote lol

[Lostgaeriel]

Hi HerenIstarion!

To answer your quote...

For such is the way of it: to find and lose, as it seems to those whose boat is on the running stream

That was Legolas to Gimli, trying to comfort him as they leave Lorien. Gimli had found the beauty of Galadriel and now must lose it.

[Lostgaeriel]

Hey there, HerenIstarion! Where did you go?

Is it my turn yet? Pulleez? smilies/smile.gif

[Lostgaeriel]

Alright, I've waited more than 10 days for HerenIstarion to come back. So I'm going to ask one. Besides it is my birthday*, and HI ought to have given me the go-ahead as a birthday present! It is my birthday. It ought to be my turn.

Night oft brings news to near kindred

* April 22 (Lótessë 1 or Thrimidge 1) is Earth Day and the Coronation Day of Aragorn Elessar.

[ April 22, 2002: Message edited by: Lostgaeriel ]

[Marileangorifurnimaluim]

Happy birthday, Lost.!

I'm hazy on this one, but felt since it's your birthday, someone should play.

It was said to Aragorn, concerning the coming of the Dunedain from the north? By.. hmm.. I loaned my TTT to a friend of a friend.

[Lostgaeriel]

Hoom hmm, Marileangorifurnimaluim! Let's not be hasty!

Sorry, it wasn't said to Aragorn. But it is in The Two Towers.

Thanks for the birthday wishes.

[Gayalondiel]

Faramir said it just before he told frodo that boromir was his brother

[Lostgaeriel]

You got it Gayalondiel! Ask away!

[HerenIstarion]

I apologize for being late, yet you can always use "one week rule". Anyway you were right, Lost

[Gayalondiel]

afraid i'm going to have to throw this open; exams are getting to me and even if i had time to look up a quote i don't know when i can be back online to respond.
sorry. smilies/smile.gif
First person gets it, I think.

[Lostgaeriel]

An easy and popular one:
But handsome is as handsome does

[Lostgaeriel]

Well, there was an instance where someone said it in Bree. (It was also said somewhere else.) But it wasn't Sam to Frodo in Bree.

[HerenIstarion]

t'was Pippin in Bree. but Sam said it too, in Ithilien, when let his master's secret slip and was afraid of Faramir

[Lostgaeriel]

Yep!

[HerenIstarion]

sorry for being so late, I just suffer from limited acces to the net currently

well, next one will be:

Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens

[Daniel Telcontar]

Gimli or Legolas, before entering the Paths of the Dead with Aragorn?

[Heen-1]

its gimli in the council of elrond.....they go back and forth a few lines too.

[HerenIstarion]

Heen-1, to be precise, t'was after the council, just when Company was about to set out from Rivendell, yet it was near enough answer to be counted as correct. You may proceed :)

[alaklondewen]

I think this is a good thread to bring back. We have nothing like it going now.

I'll start!
A hunted man sometimes wearies of distrust and longs for friendship.

[Russandol]

Yes I agree Alaklondewen. This one was Aragorn speaking to the four Hobbits in the Prancing Pony after they had read Gandalf's letter.

[alaklondewen]

Right you are! Please proceed.

[alaklondewen]

Russandol? Just a reminder. smilies/smile.gif

[Russandol]

Phew, it's only been three days! smilies/tongue.gif Things move on apace in Quotable Quotes methinks.

Anyway my offering is this.

Oft hope is born, when all is forlorn.

[Guinevere]

This was said by Legolas to Gimli when they were rowing (sailing) up the Anduin to the battle of the Pellennor fields.

By the way, I have a question to you people from English speaking countries: Did Tolkien make up all these proverbs in his books? Or are some of them real existing proverbs in English?? Just wondering...

[Guinevere]

Will no one confirm my answer? Russandol obviously isn't around.... So am I allowed to proceed? smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Rochelle]

I say go ahead!

[Lalaith]

In answer to Guinevere's question, nearly all of Tolkien's proverbs are made up by him although they sound very authentic, don't they?
The only 'genuine' English saying quoted here is 'handsome is as handsome does.'

(Tolkien's proverbs are delightful but real English proverbs too, IMO. My favourite is 'Fair words butter no parsnips.')

[Guinevere]

Thank you, Rochelle and Lalaith!

Here is another proverb then, that sounds very "authentic", too!

"Faithful heart may have forward tongue."

[Lostgaeriel]

That is Théoden to Gandalf about Éomer. The King of the Golden Hall

'I owe much to Éomer,' said Théoden. 'Faithful heart may have forward tongue.'

[Guinevere]

Well done, Lostgaeriel! smilies/smile.gif
Your turn!

[Lostgaeriel]

He thinks less than he talks, and slower; yet he can see through a brick wall in time

[alaklondewen]

"(as they say in Bree)", I believe that is the rest of the sentence by Gandalf to Frodo in the Last Homely House. They are speaking of Old Barliman of course.

[Lostgaeriel]

You think pretty fast, alaklondewen. Your turn.

[alaklondewen]

Thank you, Lostgaeriel.

Make it short, and then you won't have to cut it short before you can use it.

I think that's something we can all live by. smilies/wink.gif

[Lostgaeriel]

Oh, that's Samwise to Frodo discussing girl's names for his firstborn. He's quoting the Gaffer.

'I suppose you're right, Mr. Frodo,' said Sam. 'I've heard some beautiful names on my travels, but I suppose they're a bit too grand for daily wear and tear, as you might say. The Gaffer, he says: "Make it short, and then you won't have to cut it short before you can use it." But if it's to be a flower-name, then I don't trouble about the length: it must be a beautiful flower, because, you see, I think she is very beautiful, and is going to be beautifuller still.'

Nice gardening image re: cutting flowers.

[alaklondewen]

You're right. That Gaffer is a fountain of knowledge. Take it away, Lostgaeriel.

[Lostgaeriel]

Two clichés for the price of one:

... but he is slier than a fox, and slippery as a fish.

[alaklondewen]

Is this Aragorn at the Council of Elrond describing Gollum?

[Rochelle]

Is it Sam referring to Gollum?

[Lostgaeriel]

Ooh! alaklondewen!

Is this Aragorn at the Council of Elrond describing Gollum?

Sometimes less is more. You've got the speaker and the subject matter - just the location is wrong. Just jump ahead about 4 months. Do you know the context now?

I'll give it to you anyway. Your turn.

[alaklondewen]

Yes, of course, on the shores of the Anduin after Frodo heard Gollum hiss. Thank you for letting me have it anyway.

Now for the next...
...a lie with a grain of truth.

[Eressië Ailin]

This is really familiar... I know Gandalf said it... At the Council of Elrond, maybe? about Gollum? I don't have my book to check...

[alaklondewen]

Gandalf did say it about Gollum, but not at the Council. He said it in Bag End in The Shadow of the Past, but since you had the right idea...It's your turn.

[Eressië Ailin]

Thank you!

Many a doer of great deeds might say no more.

[ March 22, 2003: Message edited by: Eressië Ailin ]

[Guinevere]

This is in RotK, when Gandalf and Pippin ride to Minas Tirith. As they arrive at the North gate of the Rammas Echor they are talking to some men of Gondor.

"Man!" cried Pippin "I am a hobbit and no more valiant than I am a man, save perhaps now and again by necessity."
"Many a doer of dreat deeds might say no more," said Ingold "But what is a hobbit?"

[Eressië Ailin]

Correct! Your turn, Guinevere.

[Guinevere]

Thank you! smilies/smile.gif

The hasty stroke goes oft astray.

(Another one that sounds like a genuine proverb to me... smilies/rolleyes.gif )

[Eressië Ailin]

Once again, I do not have my book, but I would have to say Legolas to Èomer in TTT.

[Guinevere]

Sorry, Eressië, wrong guess! smilies/frown.gif
Does anyone know?

[alaklondewen]

I think this sounds like Gandalf speaking about Sauron's first motion toward war, and the fact that he was setting his troops in motion earlier than he originally meant. Now, I don't remember whether he said this to Denethor, Faramir, or Pippin, but it was after he and Pippin arrived in Minas Tirith. Again, this is all off the top of my head.

[Guinevere]

It wasn't Gandalf either.
Though you are right that it is about Sauron striking too early.

[alaklondewen]

Yes, of course...I forgot about Aragorn. Did he say it after looking in the Palantir? To Legolas and Gimli, maybe?

[Guinevere]

Exactly ! smilies/smile.gif Your turn, Alaklondewen.

[alaklondewen]

Thank you!

For not we but those who come after will make the legends of our time.

[Narduewen]

From Aragorn to the Riders of Rohan after one remarked "Do we walk in legends or on the green earth in the daylight?" That is one of my favorite quotes.

[alaklondewen]

Well Done, and Welcome to the Downs! I believe the board is yours. smilies/smile.gif

[Narduewen]

Okay heres one I found

"Where will wants not, a way opens."

[Guinevere]

This was said by Dernhelm (=Eowyn) to Merry in "The muster of Rohan" when she offered to take him on her horse.

[Narduewen]

Ver good Guinever! Your turn

[Guinevere]

Thank you, Narduewen.
It is best to love first what you are fitted to love

[alaklondewen]

I don't have my book with me to check for sure, but this sounds like Thingol to Beren and Luthien. Maybe?

[Narduewen]

It is Merry to Pippen in the Houses of Healing

[Guinevere]

You are right, Narduewen! smilies/smile.gif Your turn.

[Guinevere]

Hello,Narduewen, where are you ? ?
Don't you want to post a new "proverb" for us to guess ?
Or shall I do it (I have a list of them ready...) Or any one else?
smilies/wink.gif

[Guinevere]

If no one wants to have a go, I'll post a new quote, if I may. smilies/rolleyes.gif
The treacherous are ever distrustful

[Lady Alasse]

Gandalf maybe to Aragorn speaking of Sauron and Saruman? I'm not certain and I'm to lazy to go get the books and find out.

[Guinevere]

It is Gandalf who says it, but not to Aragorn.... and you're right in that it is about Saruman.

[ April 25, 2003: Message edited by: Guinevere ]

[alaklondewen]

Was it to Pippin on their way to Minas Tirith?

[Guinevere]

Neither... smilies/frown.gif

[Dûrlossiel]

It is Gandalf to Saruman about Saruman.

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[Guinevere]

Right you are, Dûrlossiel! Your turn! smilies/smile.gif

[Dûrlossiel]

Make haste while the Sun shines!

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[Guinevere]

Goldberry says this to the hobbits when they take leave on the hill above Tom Bombadil's house.

[Dûrlossiel]

Very good smilies/smile.gif Your turn!

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[Guinevere]

Thank you!
One who can not cast a treasure away at need is in fetters.

[Annunfuiniel]

That would be Aragorn to Pippin when he returns his elven brooch.

[ April 28, 2003: Message edited by: Annunfuiniel ]

[Guinevere]

Quite right, Annunfuiniel. smilies/smile.gif Your turn!

[Annunfuiniel]

*bows* Thank you, Guinevere! smilies/smile.gif
The wolf that one hears is worse than the orc that one fears.

[Guinevere]

It is Boromir who says this, to Gandalf and the rest of the fellowship, before the attack of the wolves.

[Annunfuiniel]

Ai, that didn't take long!
Be so kind and carry on, Guinevere. smilies/smile.gif

[Guinevere]

Thank you, Annunfuiniel!

Need brooks no delay, yet late is better than never

[Dûrlossiel]

Was it Gandalf?

[Guinevere]

Sorry, wrong guess. smilies/frown.gif

Hint: it is in RotK

[Eressië Ailin]

Èomer to Théoden in The Ride of the Rohirrim.

[Guinevere]

Well done, Eressië Ailin! smilies/smile.gif your turn

[Eressië Ailin]

"Men need many words before deeds."

[Dûrlossiel]

Fangorn, I believe.

(Just guessing smilies/tongue.gif)

So am I.

(This is strange. I'm quoting the post AFTER mine.)

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[Guinevere]

I don't know, really. It must be some non-human, but speaking creature...
But wouldn't Ents need even more words before deeds than men?

Was is perhaps Gimli? (Just guessing smilies/tongue.gif )

[Eressië Ailin]

Yes, it was Gimli. Go ahead, Guinevere!

[Guinevere]

Thank you, Eressië Ailin!
But I was only guessing and have still no idea where Gimli said this. Could you please tell me? smilies/smile.gif

Well, for a new "proverb" :
"Strange accents do not mar fair speech."

[Narduewen]

I think someone in Gondor said it to Pippen. Maybe?

[Narduewen]

Beregond said "I am glad to learn it for now I may say that strange accents do not mar fair speech." It was, as I guessed, said to Pippen.

[Guinevere]

Very good, Narduewen! smilies/smile.gif It's your turn.

[Narduewen]

Thank you Guinevere! Here's the quote,

"A man that flies from his fear may find that he has only taken a short cut to meet it."

[Guinevere]

This was said by Sador to Túrin in the "Narn i hîn Húrin" !

[Narduewen]

That is correct Guinevere. Your turn.

[Guinevere]

Thanks!
A wild beast cornered is not safe to approach.

[Annunfuiniel]

Gandalf to Pippin (and co.) about Saruman who was 'imprisoned' in Orthanc.

[Guinevere]

Right you are, Annunfuiniel! smilies/smile.gif Your turn.

[Annunfuiniel]

Thank you, Guinevere! smilies/smile.gif

The wide world is all about you: you can fence yourselves in, but you cannot for ever fence it out.

[Guinevere]

That was Gildor Inglorion to Frodo.

[Annunfuiniel]

Indeed 'twas! Please proceed, Guinevere. smilies/smile.gif

[Guinevere]

Thank you, Annunfuiniel.
Cold is the life of a mariner's wife
Perhaps this is too easy? smilies/wink.gif

[Eruanna]

That was Aldarion to his father Tar-Meneldur. When the latter urged him to take a bride.

[Guinevere]

That's it, Eruanna! smilies/smile.gif Your turn!

[Eruanna]

Thank you. " I am your sister and not your servant..."

[Guinevere]

Wasn't that Aredhel to Turgon? (Doesn't sound like a "proverb" though... smilies/wink.gif )

[Eruanna]

It was indeed.....I was going more for a brother/sister type cliché. smilies/biggrin.gif

[Guinevere]

Thanks! Let him not walk in the dark who has not seen the nightfall.

[Annunfuiniel]

If you make it Let him not vow to walk in the dark...

then that was said by Elrond to Gimli (in chapter The Ring Goes South).

[Guinevere]

You're right, Annunfuiniel!
I must apologize for having accidentally left out "vow to" , shame on me smilies/frown.gif
You're good to find it out in spite of that mistake. smilies/smile.gif

[Annunfuiniel]

Hannon le! And no need to be ashamed, Guinevere, these things happen to the best of us. smilies/wink.gif
Faithful heart may have froward tongue.

[Guinevere]

That was Théoden to Gandalf , about Éomer.

(We've had that one already, on page 2 of this thread) smilies/wink.gif

[Annunfuiniel]

Rats! I knew it might be so but still couldn't bring myself to check the whole thread... smilies/rolleyes.gif
Aaaanyways, your turn again, Guinevere!

smilies/smile.gifAnnun

[Guinevere]

At table small men may do the greater deeds

[Narduewen]

Beregond to Pippen.

[Guinevere]

Correct, Narduewen. smilies/smile.gif Hey, you were fast to answer!

[Guinevere]

Hello, Narduewen, where are you? It's your turn!

[Narduewen]

Whoops. I forgot that I had posted here. As for the next quote.

"...follk are not what they seem."

[Belsirithil]

LOL... I come back over a year later and see that I didn't even realize this was a game. smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Narduewen]

Need any hints?

[Guinevere]

I sounds like a hobbit... could it be Sam?
Just guessing, I haven't been able to find it (yet) smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

Hmmm, it wouldn't be Barliman Butterbur by any chance would it?

[Narduewen]

Neither are correct, though Guinevere is getting somewhere.

[Guinevere]

I still haven't been able to find it.... I need another hint! (please!)
Or does anyone else know that quote?? smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Narduewen]

Well, as for hints, I can not be so sure that they are correct because I am at camp and without my book. I will give this hint for I am almost positive that it is correct. It is said by a hobbit and not in FotR. I hope those might help.

[ July 18, 2003: Message edited by: Narduewen ]

[Lostgaeriel]

Hi Narduewen!

Is this the quote?

For when you are older, you will learn that folk are not always what they seem; and though you may have taken me for a soft stranger-lad and easy prey, let me warn you: I am not, I am a halfling, hard, bold, and wicked!

That is, of course, Pippin to young Bergil son of Beregond.

[ July 23, 2003: Message edited by: Lostgaeriel ]

[Narduewen]

That it would be, Lostgaeriel! You may proceed.

[Lostgaeriel]

It’s the job that’s never started as takes longest to finish.

Yeah, yeah, it's a very easy quote.

But one of my favourites - I'm a world class procrastinator. (Been dead & in the Barrow for almost 2 years and this is only my 495th post!?)

[ July 23, 2003: Message edited by: Lostgaeriel ]

[Guinevere]

Oh Lostgaeriel, you're really good to have found the last quote! smilies/smile.gif I had been searching for that everywhere without success!
And I am happy that you posted one that I recognize... smilies/biggrin.gif smilies/wink.gif
"It's the job that's never started as takes longest to finish" as my old Gaffer used to say. says Sam to Frodo (in Lothlorien, about their quest.)

[Lostgaeriel]

Yes, Guinevere, you are correct! Please proceed. smilies/smile.gif

[Guinevere]

Thank you, Lostgaeriel!
Just recently I came across another fine Middle-earth proverb: Malice that wakes in the morning is the mirth of Morgoth ere night.

[Guinevere]

Does no one recognize this proverb?
I'll give you a hint: it's from Unfinished Tales!

[Evisse the Blue]

That's Mablung musing about Turin's 'harrassment' of Saeros.

[Guinevere]

You've got it, Evisse! smilies/smile.gif your turn.

[Evisse the Blue]

Well, guessing is the easy part. Now I have to think of a saying that doesn't give too much away - Btw, yours was great, Guinevere!
Well - here it is ( piece of cake):
Let the ploughman plough, but choose an otter for swiming (..)

[Guinevere]

...and for running light over grass and leaf, or over snow - an Elf
That was Legolas on the way down from Caradhras.

[Evisse the Blue]

Exactly.

I didn't give the rest of the quote in hope of making it more difficult, but apparently you weren't fooled by it. smilies/biggrin.gif Go on!

[Guinevere]

Thank you, Evisse. The amount of proverbs in Tolkiens books is astonishing ! (I've started collecting them...) Most of them he made up himself, I guess, but they sure sound like genuine old sayings. Generous deed should not be checked by cold counsel.

[Evisse the Blue]

Gandalf to Pippin after he swore the oath to Denethor.

[Guinevere]

correct! Your turn again, Evisse smilies/wink.gif !

[Evisse the Blue]

Okay, I worked hard to get his one smilies/smile.gif

"There's no accounting for East or West."

[Guinevere]

Hm, so far, I've no idea where to look for that one! smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Evisse the Blue]

The full quote is
There's no accounting for East or West, as we say in Bree, meaning the Rangers and the Shire-folk, begging your pardon.

This should put you o the right track. smilies/wink.gif

[Mithisilien]

Would that be Barliman Butterbur?

[Evisse the Blue]

Yes. Would you mind elaborating on the circumstances?
Then you're free to post a new one.

[Mithisilien]

Hahaha, I could be a jerk and say "In The Prancing Pony".... nah. It was part of his response to Frodo about who and what Strider was. Right after he said "Goes about at a great pace on his long shanks; though he don't tell nobody what cause he has to hurry".

[ September 01, 2003: Message edited by: Mithisilien ]

[Mithisilien]

ok, I swear I had put the next one in my last response....whatever.

Let us hope that no evil has yet come here

[Guinevere]

Aragorn to the Fellowship when they are landing at Parth Galen (below Amon Hen)
(But that's not a proverb??) smilies/wink.gif

[Mithisilien]

was it supposed to be? ahhhhh, I'm sorry. *hangs head* oh well. You got it! Even if the question was wrong...*twitch* ok.

[Guinevere]

Never mind, Mithisilien! smilies/smile.gif But look at the title of the thread... smilies/wink.gif
Oft evil will shall evil mar.

[Mithisilien]

I have no idea why it didn't register. I tend to miss stuff like that... smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Guinevere]

Does no one recognize that proverb? smilies/rolleyes.gif To give you a hint: it's from TTT . smilies/wink.gif

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Was it Theoden?

[Guinevere]

Yes, smilies/smile.gif but to whom and where?

[Mariska Greenleaf]

To Aragorn and Gandalf, about the Palantir in Isengard.

What do you mean, it took me a long time to find it??? smilies/rolleyes.gif

Okay, I just forgot, I'm sorry... smilies/frown.gif

[Guinevere]

Right you are, Mariska! smilies/smile.gif Please proceed!

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Ok thanks!
I really hope this next one counts as a proverb, adage, aphorism, saw, wise saying or cliché or whatever...

The board is set, and the pieces are moving

I like it, who said this? smilies/wink.gif

[Guinevere]

Ah, that is Gandalf to Pippin in Minas Tirith! And afterwards he adds "One piece I greatly desire to find is Faramir."

[Mariska Greenleaf]

That's it, of course smilies/wink.gif

[ September 30, 2003: Message edited by: Mariska Greenleaf ]

[Guinevere]

Through darkness one may come to the light.

[Guinevere]

Do you need a hint? smilies/wink.gif It's from U.T.

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Thanks for the hint!

That was Gelmir talking to Tuor.

[ October 20, 2003: Message edited by: Mariska Greenleaf ]

[Guinevere]

It certainly was, Mariska! smilies/smile.gif Please continue.
(I feared already no one would ever come and look at this thread...)

[Mariska Greenleaf]

It took me some time to come up with a new one, but, at last here it is...

help oft shall come from the hands of the weak when the Wise falter.

[ November 07, 2003: Message edited by: Mariska Greenleaf ]

[Guinevere]

This starts with "Many are the strange chances of the world..." and is said by Mithrandir to Elrond at the first White Council (In the Silm.)

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Very good!
Tour turn!

[Guinevere]

Thank you! smilies/smile.gif Great heart will not be denied.

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Theoden talking to Merry...

Grieve not! It is forgiven. Great heart will not be denied.

[Guinevere]

That's it! smilies/smile.gif

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Do as your heart calls.

[Guinevere]

That one took quite a lot of searching! First I thought it was Ulmo to Tuor, but he says "Do as your heart and valour lead thee."
Then I found Turin saying to Niniel:" Do as your heart bids you."

But finally I found the right one smilies/smile.gif: "Do as your heart calls, onya." said Meneldur to Aldarion before he went on his first voyage. smilies/smile.gif

[Mariska Greenleaf]

good job!
All yours. smilies/wink.gif

[Guinevere]

Thank you Mariska. Ha, now I must be careful not to use one of the proverbs from Esty's new game smilies/wink.gif(btw I have been contributing to that one)
Hmmm how about: Few can foresee whither their road will lead them, till they come to its end.

[Guinevere]

Do you need a hint? It's in TTT.

[Mariska Greenleaf]

That was Legolas talking to Aragorn and Gimli.

[Guinevere]

Yes! Well done, Mariska! smilies/smile.gif
(I wonder why we two are the only ones on this thread?? smilies/rolleyes.gif )

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Yes, it is indeed strange, because this is a wonderful topic isn't it?

Oh well, I got a new one for you:

There are locked doors and closed windows in your mind, and dark rooms behind them.

It's not really a wise saying, more of a metafor I guess. I hope that's allright.

[Evisse the Blue]

And a wonderful metaphor it is too!
I don't have the book with me, but I recall it's Faramir in the Two Towers, talking about Gollum. Am I right?

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Yes yes, that's it!

[Evisse the Blue]

"Hate brings forth hate"
Name the circumastance it refers to.

[Guinevere]

This is a very good quote, but it is so general that I've no idea where it could come from. smilies/rolleyes.gif
I definitely need a hint... please! smilies/wink.gif

[Evisse the Blue]

HINT: It's from the Silmarillion. (it's a tough one indeed, very easy to overlook)

[Guinevere]

Heureka! smilies/smile.gif at last I found it (at least I think this must be it, it's just in the narrative.)
It is in the Akallabêth, when Sauron has corrupted most of the Númenóreans, so that they worshipped Melkor. They arrested and sacrificed many of the "Faithful" on the pretext that they were plotting against the king.
"These charges were for the most part false ; yet those were bitter days, and hate brings forth hate."

[Evisse the Blue]

You got it! Congratulations, Guinevere! smilies/biggrin.gif

[Guinevere]

Thank you, Evisse! smilies/smile.gif We cannot dwell in the time that is to come, lest we lose our now for a phantom of our own design.

[Lord of Angmar]

Gandalf to Pippin in Minas Tirith?

[Guinevere]

Sorry, wrong guess! (Hint: it's not in LotR)

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Thanks for the usefull hint!

It was Erendis to Aldarion, Unfinished Tales.

[Guinevere]

smilies/biggrin.gif right you are, Mariska! Your turn again!

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Thanks a lot!

To sheep other sheep no doubt appear different.

smilies/wink.gif

[Guinevere]

smilies/smile.gif Lindir to Bilbo in "Many meetings"

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Of course!
How difficult it is to find a challenging quote for you Guinevere!! smilies/wink.gif

Well, can't wait for a new one...

[Guinevere]

smilies/biggrin.gif Here you are: There are some things that it is better to begin than to refuse, even though the end may be dark.

[Lord of Angmar]

Aragorn in The Two Towers.

[Guinevere]

Yes, well done, Lord of Angmar! smilies/smile.gif Your turn!

[Lord of Angmar]

...not too soft in speech mind you, but he has a golden heart, as the saying is...

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 2:47 PM January 02, 2004: Message edited by: Lord of Angmar ]

[Evisse the Blue]

...and he has the healing hands.
Ioreth to her cousin about Aragorn.

[Lord of Angmar]

Right you are, Evisse. smilies/wink.gif Have at it.

[Mariska Greenleaf]

bumping up for Evisse!

[Evisse the Blue]

thanks, Mariska (we keep bumping up threads for each other smilies/wink.gif).
I hope this qualifies as a saying:
But the dawn is brief and the day full often belies its promise

[Guinevere]

Ah, I remember that one ... I wondered if I should put it on my list of proverbs. It is somewhere in the Silmarillion.... smilies/rolleyes.gif *searching*

Ha! found it! smilies/smile.gif It's in the chapter "Of Men" in the narrative West, North and South the children of Men spread and wandered, and their joy was the joy of the morning before the dew is dry, when every leaf is green.But the dawn is brief and the day full often belies its promise;and now the time drew on to the great wars of the powers of the North, when Noldor and Sindar and Men strove against the hosts of Morgoth Bauglir, and went down in ruin.

[Evisse the Blue]

Correct, please proceed. (Btw, I love your new PT smilies/wink.gif )

[Guinevere]

Thank you, Evisse! smilies/smile.gif "In the morning counsels are best, and night changes many thoughts."

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Theoden sharing his wisdom with Hirgon.

[Guinevere]

Right!! smilies/smile.gif Well done, Mariska!

[Mariska Greenleaf]

The next one will be easy I'm afraid...

Little people should not meddle in affairs that are too big for them.

[Evisse the Blue]

Grishnakh to Merry and Pippin?

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Right you are!

[Evisse the Blue]

Hack, burn and ruin
(hope this qualifies as a saying, or at least as a cliche!)

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Cotton to Merry, in the Scouring of the Shire, about Sharkey.

[Evisse the Blue]

Correct, well done!

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Thanks!

Let bearing pay for bearing!

[Guinevere]

Gwindor to Túrin at the sack of Nargothrond.

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Of course, Guinevere, well done! smilies/smile.gif

[Guinevere]

Thank you, Mariska. smilies/smile.gif Grief is a hone to a hard mind.

[Mariska Greenleaf]

I'm very much into UT these days...

Sador thougth this while having a conversation with Turin, but didn't speak it out loud.

[Guinevere]

Yes, very good Mariska! I had thought that that was a difficult one... Well your preoccupation with UT explains your fast answer! smilies/wink.gif (Sador in particular proves to be quite a source of proverbs...)

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Yes, there is a beautiful one at the end of that paragraph... which I'm not going to use now... smilies/biggrin.gif

This next one is just a part of a sentence, but it sounds so beautiful. I hope you agree...

...dropping vain tears in the thankless sea.

[Guinevere]

That is in Fëanor's rousing speech to the Noldor,isn't it?

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Ja, that was it.
;)

[Guinevere]

Thanks, Mariska! (btw: nice new avatar you've got! ;) I had a heck of a time to reinstall my old one!:mad:)
"Yet in doubt a man of worth will trust to his own wisdom"

[Sleepy Ranger]

Um, can I play? Hama to Gandalf? When Aragorn says you will not part an old man from his support thing.

[Guinevere]

You're very welcome, Sleepy, and your answer is correct! :)
Your turn!

[Sleepy Ranger]

Use all the wits and knowledge you have for your own
Ok its easy

[Guinevere]

Frodo to Sam, about how to use the contents of Galadriels box in the ravaged Shire.

[Sleepy Ranger]

yep, good going thats it.

[Guinevere]

Thank you! :) "In the armour of Fate there is ever a rift."