Backwards quotes

[Mariska Greenleaf]

You were right of course, sorry for the delay! :)

[HerenIstarion]

Well than, next up :D

'Hallo by that space!' she thought.'We lack leisure after the dawn, as we don't have it there, as we say.'

[HerenIstarion]

sort of a hint:

she of the [reversed] quote is he, of course, but actual quote has a name instead. like "said So-and-So". Beside, So and So is very young

[Estelyn Telcontar]

HI, I thought about your hint and came up with Bergil as a 'he' who is very young. I also found a quote in RotK, Chapter 'Minas Tirith', that starts off right, but doesn't continue as the opposite of yours. Am I close, at least?

'Farewell for this time', said Bergil. 'Take my greetings to my father...

[HerenIstarion]

My mistake, I messed up Bergil with his father. Should listen to Fangorn's advise and not be hasty... Actual quote was the following:

Farewell for this time!’ Beregond said. ‘I have duty now till sundown, as have all the others here, I think

Sorry for mislieading you, I lay down my arms and pass the right to pose another riddle to you :)

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Awww, it's all in the family, HI. Here's a new one then: - in exceptions, they cannot also feel her rants or tools. And that game of theirs won't be her smallest rest.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Anyone want to venture a try??

[HerenIstarion]

I'd love to, but I have no idea about the quote you tease us with :) Now, some hint may come in usefull

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Both the speaker and the one he speaks of are more than they appear to be... (to be found in FotR)

[HerenIstarion]

Well, with 'more than they seem' in mind, can it be Gandalf about Bombadil?:

Such things have no hold on his mind. He would be a most unsafe guardian; and that alone is answer enough

[HerenIstarion]

Ai, ai, silly me, trying to adjust obviously irrelevant quote to reversed one. Pray be so kind to forget the previous, since I have found the correct one:

As a rule you can only see his jokes and toys. But this business of ours will be his greatest task

Aragorn (known as Strider at the moment, hence 'more then he appears') about Gandalf (who is 'more than he appears' to Shire-folk!)

uh!

[Estelyn Telcontar]

*applause*

Well-done, HI! You're next.

[HerenIstarion]

Thank you, thank you

*H-I bows and beams around, fingering his bow tie nervously...


We-e-ell, the following reverse quote would, supposedly, be easy to crack, but I enjoyed reversing it immensely, so have a try :):

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Huge Swineherd Him

Ugly was he
As the orckish prose reveals
With bone in a nose
Still bendy as hose
Of a wood and a nail to kill
Is his club hand-made
And his shield all laid
With spikes about its brim.
Foul his hide all dark
Stained with bloody mark
Of one Eye so cruel and grim
All round his loin
Skulls and ribs be going
Of unhappy elves he slew

He crawled by night
Outrun by fright
In seek of live flesh to hew
And he slipped by day
As a spot dim grey
Over the darkling lake
Oh, his boots all strong
Withered earth oft prong
Like enourmous cruel rake
When he arched his back
Thirsted for slash and hack
With his cruel and ruddy fang
Foul helm of brass
All stained and crass
O'er hairy shoulder was hung
When the pin-sharp claws
Of his clutching paws
Through the sinew and bone he tore

He gazed all down
As o'er the mobbed town
Through pale and shining door
All square he sat
Into roomy vat
Empty he thought it but,
A swineherd Ai
With winked eye…
They ended right butt to butt!

Ai was as grim,
As Him and as prim
But Ai was, easy to cry
Flutterin' like bat
Upside in the vat
Up to the domed sky!
His dirty ears
Pointed like spears
Rubbed to ears of Him
Irksome a thing
With a loud ding
Vat drowned in lake so dim!


Not only the butts
Of both those mutts
But ears and noses and eyes
Were alloyed
In pairs were toyed
Both buzzed like cruel flies!
Everyone said
Be them live or dead
That their seat may be found at ease
By the smelly stench
Of the last year's tench
And the oily lamp of grease!
But still they sit
In a vat so neat
One great lump o'meat
Still buzzing like before!
In great lump o'meat
In a vat so neat
There still they sit
Behind the locked door!

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PS I even mused as of possibility of exploiting the idea for the contest of sorts: say, to reverse verses, retaining the style and spirit, but having the reverse meaning, what d'ya think? :D

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Wonderful turn-around, HI!! What a lot of work you put into this one! I won't quote the whole poem, but it is 'Princess Mee', from The Adventures of Tom Bombadil, of course. (I hesitate to answer, since I don't think I can top that reversal... )

[HerenIstarion]

your answer is correct, my lady

Thank you for your kind words concerning the fruit of my amusement .Said reversed quote does not imply that one to followshould be reversed in verse too, once you do not feel inclined to. Go on in prose of your choice, your ladyship :D

[HerenIstarion]

My lady?

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Oops, sorry! I was puzzling over the other one and forgot that it's my turn here. I'll try to figure out a backwards quote today...

[Estelyn Telcontar]

It took me a bit longer, due to the holiday weekend, but here's a new quote: That person no persons regurgitates:
Fish, insects, grass, thorns;
Chews gum, kisses plastic;
Forms soft clay to rocks;
Resurrects paupers, builds farms,
Or pulls low seas up.

[HerenIstarion]

teasy-easy, that :D

It's Time:

This thing all things devours:
Birds, beasts, trees, flowers;
Gnaws iron, bites steel;
Grinds hard stones to meal;
Slays king, ruins town,
And beats high mountain down

[Estelyn Telcontar]

You answered the riddle correctly, HI - but who said it??

[HerenIstarion]

Ah, moderating rubbed on you, my lady, you strictly follow the letter of law, rather than spirit... :p

Kidding, o'course, but here is the speaker requested:

That'd be Gollum to Bilbo, in a little game of riddles of theirs, down belo by the cave lake in Misty Mountains

[Estelyn Telcontar]

;) :p :D Now you have all of the details - next one's yours!

[HerenIstarion]

Thank you :)

next one to shoot at:

“That was light feather!” everybody said in clear voice, “It flew very high and all of this is always full!”

[HerenIstarion]

hint, than

That was said by many people toiling harder than what they expected their share to be

[HerenIstarion]

One more week gone, one more hint come:

Someone was present, and that was mentioned someone's birthday

[HerenIstarion]

in The Hobbit

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Thanks for your patience, HI! After a few days away from home and PC, I'm back and thanks to your clues, I found the quote. "This is a heavy load!" some grumbled. "They float too deep - some of these are never empty." ..."some" being the Elves who pushed the barrles full of Dwarves on their way out of Mirkwood.

[HerenIstarion]

If it is the second 'some' you refer to, I expect they never were - eating and drinking their share all through the night :)

You've got it right. Pray proceed

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Here's a new one: Swim here big fish! Swim here since they can't! Go up big fish, and they won't be drowned out of their caves!

[HerenIstarion]

Goblins and Wargs trapping Gandalf, Bilbo, Thorin & Co in the woods to the East of the Misty Mountains:

Fly away little birds! Fly away while you can! Come down little birds, or you will get fried in your nest!

(crippled a bit, perhaps, but I can't provide direct quotation right now not having my book on me, will in a short while if it is required :))

[Estelyn Telcontar]

That's so close to being absolutely correct that minor imprecisions are pardonable, HI. Your turn.

[HerenIstarion]

To set matters right, here is the correct quotation:

Fly away little birds! Fly away if you can! Come down little birds, or you will get roasted in your nests!

And the next one runs as follows:

Let us come in! She will lull us to sleep even in the middle of the day

[Estelyn Telcontar]

I have no idea where to find a quote that sounds like it could be right - can you give a clue, please? I've 'translated' the first part thus: "Make them go out! He won't wake them..." Is that close?

[HerenIstarion]

One person was proposing to another to take his turn on duty in his stead. There was more than mere altruism behind the proposal :)

[HerenIstarion]

well, well, there was a deadly foe [unexpectedly] dead in battle not long before the conversation took place, but matters were not resolved as it was expected, so more 'foes' (commas intended) came around.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

HI, I'm trying to figure this one out, but I've paged through passage after passage without finding it. Can you give a clue as to which of the 6 LotR books it's in? That would narrow the search down!

[HerenIstarion]

Dwarf and 'human' (commas intended again). In the book I quote the most :)

ah, and 'human' does not mean that he were, say, a wizard. Rather, one who would not need to stoop to shake hands with a dwarf, rather the opposite, dwarf would.

Ok, ok, no I almost said it, I can as well go and say that conversation took place between:

Hobbit and dwarf :)

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Thanks! Looking in the right book is very helpful indeed! Bilbo is speaking to Bombur: Off you go! I will wake you at midnight

[HerenIstarion]

correct :)

[HerenIstarion]

... the thread goes up...

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Sorry, been away for over a week - will come up with a new one ASAP...

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Here's an easy one to get going again: The Pauper above the seas, the Pauper of unhewn wood, the servant of leaden statues won't go to take from others!

[HerenIstarion]

easy :)

The King beneath the mountains,
The King of carven stone,
The lord of silver fountains
Shall come into his own

The Hobbit

[Estelyn Telcontar]

For you, of course it's easy! I was just hoping I might tempt someone else to try their hand at it, but without you, this thread is dormant...

Go ahead with a new one!

[HerenIstarion]

Though ugly are as ugly destroy, as they think in Landia

[Estelyn Telcontar]

hmmmm, Sam says "handsome is as handsome does" to Faramir, but that quote lacks the addition of "as we say in the Shire", so I guess I'll have to keep on looking...

[HerenIstarion]

this thread (http://69.51.5.41/showthread.php?t=11058) should be of help, than :D

[Estelyn Telcontar]

But handsome is as handsome does, as we say in the Shire Ah, my second guess was the right one then. This time, it's Pippin, speaking of Strider, whom Frodo thought "looks foul and feels fair". Which goes to show that looks aren't everything! :D

[HerenIstarion]

correct :D

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Here's a new one: Then went the picture of one-eyed Sauron or the Sword of Joy

[The Saucepan Man]

Is it the minstrel of Gondor at the Field of Cormallen?

For I will sing to you of Frodo of the Nine Fingers and the Ring of Doom.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

That's close, very close, Saucy, but the one I chose precedes that one - a prophecy of sorts...

[Firefoot]

"Do you think they'll say: now comes the story of Nine-fingered Frodo and the Ring of Doom?" It was Sam to Frodo on the slopes of Mt. Doom.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Yes, Firefoot - that's the exact quote! Your turn now.

[Firefoot]

Thanks. :) "When I go off the secret stream up to a lower closet, I might be freed there."

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Can we have a clue please?

[Firefoot]

It's in one of the books 2, 4, or 6 of LotR.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

I've skimmed all three of those books and still can't find anything close to what I think it should be. Another clue, please? Perhaps where it takes place?

[HerenIstarion]

That would be Gandalf in Moria:

If we had come by the main road down from the upper halls, we should have been trapped here

as the Fellowship comes out into the hall by the side passage, passing the great crack of fire.

[Firefoot]

That's the one, H-I! Please continue.

[HerenIstarion]

‘Yes, such is her desire!’ shouted Loki. ‘She knows his heart well. She does understand he and the goblins could not let them die, not after the great feat they accomplished!’

[HerenIstarion]

As Frodo is allegedly derived from Norse Froða, I gave myself liberty of opposing to him Loki. So, hint is = the reversed quote is what Frodo spake :)

[Firefoot]

I keep coming back to this and I still can't find anything... another hint, perhaps?

[HerenIstarion]

well, goblins, obviously, is opposite of elves. 'she' in this case is Gandalf :)

[Evisse the Blue]

"No, and I don't want to", said Frodo. "I can't understand you. Do you mean to say that you, and the Elves, have let him live on after all those horrible deeds?"

Frodo to Gandalf, in The Shadow of the Past.

[HerenIstarion]

Wonderfull comeback, Evisse, - I keep chasing you around old chestnuts unsolved in the quotes subforum just to confirm - yes, you've got it. And that one too, and the third one is guessed correclty as well... :D:D:D.

!

[Evisse the Blue]

LOL, sorry to send you running! :D But things were dead in the Quotes forum, and I don't mean dead in a good way, like it should be here on the Barrows... :p

Next one up:

"I sure hope that Minas Morgul is destroyed and and rots in hell!"

[HerenIstarion]

Yes, I surely do...

[Evisse the Blue]

Amazingly, I think I still remember this quote...or I think I do.

Hint: It's been said by someone's bedside.

[Galadriel55]

...that this is about Minas Tirith. I can almost bet on it. I just can't locate where something like this is it said, though! This is SO frustrating!
I'll have a stab at it: Denethor, right before his death, even though I don't remember what exactly he said?

[Evisse the Blue]

Nope, it's not about Minas Tirith...it would seem the logical guess indeed but no. However, you are fairly close in terms of timeline...