Yet another quote that wasn't

[Sharkû]

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This could be a possible quote from Middle-Earth, but from a writing other than Hobbit/LOTR/Silm. Actually, it is from what you call a non-canonical source.
<blockquote>Quote:<hr> 'You claim lineage from a deity, but no less can I! For my forefathers on my homeland were Stallion and Horse, descendants of their highest deity!'<hr></blockquote>

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[HerenIstarion]

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Re: Yet another quote that wasn't

Pretty hard, Sharku!

May it be farmer Giles' horse in her imaginatory converse with Chrysophilax the dragon? (probably?)

[Sharkû]

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Re: Yet another quote that wasn't

Wrong book.
I think this information I should have provided beforehand - it's from a non-canonical version of ME-myth.

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Re: Yet another quote that wasn't

Does &quot;non-canonical&quot; in this sense mean written by someone other than Tolkien or just unofficial/unpublished?

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Re: Yet another quote that wasn't

By JRRT; although a look on the BD fanfic might help to inspire... (no, I'm not advertising my little story via this q.)



A little hint might be what is needed: 'Horse and Stallion' are of course the main hints here. However, these cannot be found anywhere in Middle-Earth...

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[HerenIstarion]

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Re: Yet another quote that wasn't

Sharkû, I give up for myself. Don't let such a pretty thread die out

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Re: Yet another quote that wasn't

Well, alright. I'll post a new one later; for now I give the answer:

I thought it to be Aelfwine to Elrond (or one of his kin).
Why? Elrond, for example, can claim lineage from Melian, an Ainu.
Aelfwine on the other hand hints on the Anglo-Saxon mythology that their forefathers which landed on Britain were Hengist and Horsa, Horse and Stallion in modern English. These two brother-kings were said to be direct descendants (grand-grand-children IIRC) of Wotan (that is also why Aelfwine would say 'their' and not 'our' or 'my' highest deity).


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[HerenIstarion]

Deadnight Chanter
Posts: 1072
Re: Yet another quote that wasn't

Impressive!

:eek:

[HerenIstarion]

Since Sharku is showing no interest (as yet smilies/wink.gif), I'll go on with the thing. Easy one to follow:

I always liked his porter the most, though lager is not so bad either

who to whom about whom

[Susan Delgado]

I don't understand how this game works

[HerenIstarion]

The thing is, the quote given here is not textually backed up nowhere. It simply does not exist, yet it might have been uttered by someone (given the circumstances). sample:

Not even my uncle Andy ever did a trick like that

That's Sam when he is going to walk the rope over Nimrodel. Then one may extend the quote and add something like:

though once he did hang himself by his ankle

Non existent quote, yet given the information that:

A) Uncle Andy have been having dealings with ropes
B) He was doing some (assumption driven from stressing on "even" and "ever") tricks with them, though these never included walking over streams

the quote might have been uttered by Sam then and there

see?

[Susan Delgado]

Whoa, mind bending. I understand now.

[HerenIstarion]

smilies/smile.gif

Than back to the question posed:

I always liked his porter the most, though lager is not so bad either

who to whom

[Dwarin Thunderhammer]

Total shot in the dark. Gandalf to Frodo about Barliman?

[HerenIstarion]

Here is the man (dwarf?) who evidently mastered the principle
give me 5 http://www.plaudersmilies.de/coolman.gif


Well, you are hot on the tracks - the beer in question is Barliman's alright, but that was not Gandalf I had in mind. Back it up with RoTK evidence, you must figure it out smilies/smile.gif

[Dwarin Thunderhammer]

Maybe I should shoot in the dark more often. Seems I got fairly close.

Would that be Sam continuing the quote of Aragorn: "But his beer is always good" ?

[ October 17, 2002: Message edited by: Dwarin Thunderhammer ]

[HerenIstarion]

the quote you give is a start out. working backwards, you get Aragorn whom Sam is quoting. The speculation that Aragorn prefers porter is inessential. Well, you hit so close I count the thing as guessed out smilies/smile.gif

proceed

[ October 17, 2002: Message edited by: HerenIstarion ]

[HerenIstarion]

Dwarin?

[HerenIstarion]

Well, the thread dies out again, and since I don't want it to, I'll take up a banner here (since Dwarin is neglecting his duties smilies/tongue.gif anyways):

My heart tells me they may prove themselves useful indeed if you let them go

who to whom + circumstances

[Orodoliel]

Gandalf might have said it to Elrond regarding letting Merry and Pippin join the Fellowship.

[HerenIstarion]

quite correct. Go on

and welcome smilies/smile.gif

[Orodoliel]

The next quote that wasn't is:

Now what on Earth are they?

[HerenIstarion]

Gimli or any of the Rohirrim about Guorns?

[Orodoliel]

No... not quite! (but close!)

[HerenIstarion]

than maybe Treebeard about Merry and Pippin?

[Orodoliel]

Yep!

Go ahead!

[HerenIstarion]

... for you are sharp and deadly, and may be hidden...


this time I need not only speaker, but the quote from which this one is derived smilies/smile.gif

[Orodoliel]

Oooh... this ones harder!

[Orodoliel]

Sorry, still can't think where it might fit. smilies/frown.gif

How about a clue?

[Galadel Vinorel]

Bilbo talking about Sting, in the Hobbit?

Boy, that one sure IS HARD!!

[HerenIstarion]

Nice to see new faces in this dusty game thread smilies/smile.gif

yes, Galadel Vinorel, that's verily Bilbo talking to Sting. Go ahead

[Galadel Vinorel]

I can't believe that I got that right!! YEAH!! I never get these things right!! smilies/biggrin.gif smilies/biggrin.gif


Mind yourself! Don't get lost, and don't forget that it is safer indoors.


Who said this? Have fun guessing, my fellow Downers!! smilies/biggrin.gif smilies/biggrin.gif

[-Imrahil-]

Galadel- that sounds like something out of a children's story.

Am I close?

[Galadel Vinorel]

No. This is from LOTR, Imrahil.

Any other guesses? smilies/biggrin.gif smilies/cool.gif

[-Imrahil-]

Gandalf to Pippin in Minas Tirith?

[Galadel Vinorel]

Close, but, no.

Guess, again, my fellow Downer!! smilies/biggrin.gif

[hobbitlass]

Pippin to Merry at the Prancing Pony when Merry decides to take a walk.

[-Imrahil-]

Darn! Hobbitlass got to it before me!

My guess to smilies/rolleyes.gif

[HerenIstarion]

you are very nice hobbits/elves/dwarves, and I'm awfully sorry to do the thing I'm going to do, but since the previously given quote was "real" existing one, I have no other choice:

<marquee><font color="FF0013">READ THE RULES FIRST!!!READ THE RULES FIRST!!!READ THE RULES FIRST!!READ THE RULES FIRST!!!</marquee>

and now I offer to your attention the rules:

The quote given here is not textually backed up nowhere. It simply does not exist, yet it might have been uttered by someone (given the circumstances). sample:

Not even my uncle Andy ever did a trick like that


That's Sam when he is going to walk the rope over Nimrodel. Then one may extend the quote and add something like:



though once he did hang himself by his ankle


Non existent quote, yet given the information that:

A) Uncle Andy have been having dealings with ropes
B) He was doing some (assumption driven from stressing on "even" and "ever") tricks with them, though these never included walking over streams

the quote might have been uttered by Sam then and there

see? The quotes to be posed in this thread are made up, but logically connected with what is in Tolkien's books

now pray proceed

respectfully

[Galadel Vinorel]

Hobbitlass, your CORRECT! Your turn!!

Sorry, Heren, I didn't see that. **Galadel blushes tremendously and walks out of the qoutes board with her head down and she is sighing**

[HerenIstarion]

* H-I pats Galadel on her back

"that's allright now, that's allright"

well, I haven't aimed this at you in particular, just a reminder for all smilies/smile.gif

[hobbitlass]

I hope I'm doing this right.
[QUOTE]And I wouldn't be surprised if he has contact with those elves.

[HerenIstarion]

any of the hobbits of the Shire about Bilbo/Frodo. To narrow the search:

Sandyman family in private conversation about Frodo?

[hobbitlass]

You are right that it was about Bilbo. It was not said by Ted Sandyman although he was there.
re-read the page *slaps forehead* DUH! the miller [B]IS[/B Ted Sandyman. You are correct but I had it as a continuation to him talking to a stranger and the Gaffer at the Green Dragon.
Your turn HerenIsterion. BTW I like to say your name out loud because it is SOO cool sounding.
So sorry, I do that all the time. HerenIstarion.

[ November 27, 2002: Message edited by: hobbitlass ]

[ November 29, 2002: Message edited by: hobbitlass ]

[HerenIstarion]

many a thank you, hobbitlass, though try to spell it as it should be next time smilies/wink.gif

well, who might have said:

those dwarves are always moving about in packs, that's what it is

[HerenIstarion]

is it so hard?

[hobbitlass]

Bilbo Baggins might have said this after some of the dwarves started to arrive at his home in 'The Hobbit'.

[hobbitlass]

How is this...
The elven king in Mirkwood could have said this to his councilers when they were trying to figure out why the dwarves were there in the first place. Bilbo was at the palace and might have even heard it spoken because he was invisible and trying to steal food.

[HerenIstarion]

No

I think I can give you another hint by extending the imaginative quote:

those dwarves are always moving about in packs, that's what it is, darn

[hobbitlass]

I think I have it this time. It was 'said' by Tom or one of the trolls.
'There's more to come yet, or I'm mighty mistook. Lots and none at all, it is. No burrahobbits, but lots of these here dwarves. That's about the shape of it!
Those dwarves are always moving about in packs, thats what it is, darn.

[ December 14, 2002: Message edited by: hobbitlass ]

[HerenIstarion]

exactly smilies/smile.gif

Go ahead

[hobbitlass]

And they will point North and South.

[HerenIstarion]

um... a little hint would be highly appreciated...

[ May 01, 2003: Message edited by: HerenIstarion ]

[hobbitlass]

This should be a little clearer....
don't ask for directions, for they shall point North and South.

[Gralin Silverspear]

Frodo to Gildor

'And it is also said,' answered Frodo: 'Go not to the Elves for counsel, for they will say both no and yes.'

[ December 21, 2002: Message edited by: Gralin Silverspear ]

[hobbitlass]

Gralin silverspears, that's correct. Welcome, hope you enjoy being dead and BTW, are you related to Gralin Musicteeth or reincarnated?!

[Gralin Silverspear]

No I'm not related to Musicteeth. Nor am I reincarnated. Here's the next quote... (I am new at these "un-quotes so this one will probably be too easy, I couldn't think of anything else.)

It will seem almost normal compared to a dwarf riding a horse of the Mark.

[HerenIstarion]

Gandalf about riding Shadowfax elf-fashion?

[ December 28, 2002: Message edited by: HerenIstarion ]

[HerenIstarion]

We'll be waiting for Gralin Silverspear to confirm/debunk guess posted for a week more. Than anyone wishing may proceed

[HerenIstarion]

well, I will carry on the banner again, I reckon:

It must be tall and yet near enough the path. We must not stray away from it

[ainur]

This is an old thread, but I like it. I'll attempt an answer. Is this Aragorn speaking to the grey company as they approach the Stone of Erech?

(H-I might not remember this thread, since it is from last July, but I hope he does. If not, we'll try another non-quote later.)

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 7:16 PM December 10, 2003: Message edited by: ainur ]

[ainur]

Just bumping this up.

[HerenIstarion]

Nice to see this one bupmed up smilies/smile.gif thx, ainur

yet the said conversation took place a bit (or a lot, depending on who measures) earlier

[ainur]

Possibly Aragorn to the hobbits as they approach Weathertop? That's the only other possibility I can think of at the moment.

[HerenIstarion]

Well, I should say, as Avis slogan goes, you try harder :)

As a hint - it was quite a bit earlier - say, some 80 years before

Give it another try :)

[Evisse the Blue]

Gandalf while seeking the Doors of Moria?

EDIT: I cross posted with HI and afterwards I saw his latest hint. So I'll change my answer: I assume it's Thorin in Mirkwood about climbing the tallest tree to look over the forest

[HerenIstarion]

Yes, Evisse, yu've got your man, oops, dwarf. Have a go :)

[Evisse the Blue]

I wonder when such luck may find me.
I hope this isn't too out there :p

[HerenIstarion]

hum, Maybe Bilbo at Thranduil's place, thinking about key-nicking off the butler?

[Evisse the Blue]

Nope. Try another hobbit. ;)

[HerenIstarion]

Sam about his pans and coneys?

[Evisse the Blue]

No. This quote may be a tad ironical.

[HerenIstarion]

Merry or Pippin in a conversation with Ugluk (when he threatens them with breakfast at the end of their route, at Saruman's place)?

[Evisse the Blue]

No. You got your hobbit (it's one of these two) but not the situation. but that would have been hilarious *wishes she had thought of that

[HerenIstarion]

Than maybe Pippin in answer to ruffian mocking Kings messangers. Something along the lines:

'King's messengers! That for them!
When I see one, I'll take notice, perhaps.'...'I wonder when such luck may find me. I am a messenger of the King!,

with a slight difference of tone in between two sentences...?

[Evisse the Blue]

Not that either. maybe a hint is in order: the word luck is found in the book quotation in continuation of which I gave this imaginary one.

[HerenIstarion]

Maybe Pippin to Merry, ill at ease cause of Palantir:

'You had the luck, Merry,' said Pippin softly, after a long pause. 'You were riding with Gandalf. I wonder when such luck may find me.

?

[Evisse the Blue]

Yep that was the one I had in mind! not very hard was it ...:D
btw - what if there are more than one correct, like now for instance, do the rules say you have to keep guessing, until you get the exact one the riddler had on mind??
it would be only fair. :smokin:

[HerenIstarion]

I reckon, riddler should extend a quote a bit, to give hint by narrowing the search. Scroll up to mine about the trolls to have a sample (i.e. anyone could say dwarves moved in pacs, but only trolls would end the sentence with 'darn')

next one, than:

one can not sleep even this high, what with all that noise!

[Evisse the Blue]

Is it Sam in Lorien, to Pippin:
And the less said, the sooner I'll drop off, if you take my meaning. One cannot sleep even this high what with all that noise.

[HerenIstarion]

Nice try, but no cylindrical smoking thing. Attend to the fact that 'this high' bears positive implications, and Sam in Lorine, in fact, should be afraid of sleeping 'this high",

[HerenIstarion]

another hint, like it - the speaker is not human

btw, Evisse, is that C.S.Lewis quote in your sig, perchance?

[The Saucepan Man]

Might it be the Lord of the Eagles, high in his Eyrie, commenting upon the commotion caused by the Goblins and Wargs who had trapped Gandalf, Bilbo, Thorin and co in the trees just east of the Misty Mountains?

What is all this uproar in the forest tonight? One cannot sleep even this high what with all that noise.

[HerenIstarion]

cylindrical smoking thing :), that's indeed Lord of the Eagles. Over to you

[The Saucepan Man]

Thank you, HI. :)

This one should be fairly easy, I think:

Indeed by rejecting such counsels, he may show his love for you the more.

[HerenIstarion]

Can it referr to Aragonr's decision to ride the Paths of the Dead? Probably said by Eomer to Eowyn...

[The Saucepan Man]

No, but Eomer is relevant to the (non-)quote ...

[HerenIstarion]

Than counel-giver should be Theoden. hum, gotta think about it a bit more...

[Evisse the Blue]

btw, Evisse, is that C.S.Lewis quote in your sig, perchance? Nope, it's Merry the Hobbit. ;)

Is it Gandalf to Theoden about Eomer rejecting Wormtongue's counsels?

[The Saucepan Man]

That's the one, Evisse. :)

[Evisse the Blue]

Thank you. :) Next up: (I'll hint if needed):

"I am of like mind. It is their luck and our evil fortune that it is not day. But still it may prove the best such as it is.

[HerenIstarion]

Could it possibly be Gandalf to Thorin concerning sheltering in a cave on a High Pass?:

This won't do at all!" said Thorin. "If we don't get blown off or drowned, or struck by lightning, we shall be picked up by some giant and kicked sky-high for a football.
I am of like mind. It is their luck and our evil fortune that it is not day. But still it may prove the best such as it is. Well, if you know of anywhere better, take us there

a bit grubby, perhaps, but worth a try?

[Evisse the Blue]

sorry, that's not it. Shall I hint? I think I will: it's a conersation between two warriors.

[HerenIstarion]

May it be Eomer to Aragorn in the Helm;s deep (just before thay come out for a sortie?)

[Evisse the Blue]

Yes, that's the one. more precisely after Aragorn says: 'Would that day were here and we may ride down upon them like a storm out of the mountains"

Shamelessly off-topic: Congrats Russia at the World Skating Champs! :)

[HerenIstarion]

off topic re: do people congratulate Irish upon Englishman winning a title?

(thanks nevertheless ;))

next up:

I should not pop up and down in a way he does, what with his age in mind and everything. What is he excited about, anyway?

[Evisse the Blue]

Is it Frodo and Sam when first seeing Tom Bombadil?

[HerenIstarion]

Hum, in terms of time and space, it was a lot earlier and a lot to the East :)

[Evisse the Blue]

Maybe a bit of a stretch but...It could be the dwarves about Bilbo when he was fussing over his plates and running to and fro from one to the other trying to keep his plates from being broken.

[HerenIstarion]

Well, Bilbo was not that old than, after all. And you forgot about 'a bit to the east' too. The one to be referred to is called 'fellow' in the actual quote immediately preceeding the non-existent one :)

[HerenIstarion]

more hints, than:

1. Naming dwarves and BIlbo you hit quite close
2. Look through final chapters of the Hobbit for it

:)

[Evisse the Blue]

It must be Bilbo to Thorin about that thrush: the old fellow seems very excited.I should not pop up and down in a way he does, what with his age in mind and everything. What is he excited about, anyway? .

Hmmm, I think I discovered something interesting: you have a tendency to pick a lot of quotes from this particular chapter 15 of The Hobbit. :)

[HerenIstarion]

yes, certainly :)

pray proceed

edit: hum? Chater 15, is it? Honestly, it is unconscious... it was not me, I was set up, I ain't done it...

But if it is really the case, than you have additional tool to guess out my questions, eh? :D

[Evisse the Blue]

Who did not speak this and when?
Such sadness as is strange to us Elves.

[HerenIstarion]

A number of people may have had uttered it on number of occasions. Would you narrow it up a bit, please? :)

[Evisse the Blue]

Ok -
1. the word sadness is mentioned in the previous sentence
2. it's from LOTR

[HerenIstarion]

ah, that helps :)

May it be Legolas upon hearing the song of the Rohirrim?

That, I guess, is the language of the Rohirrim,' said Legolas; 'for it is like to this land itself; rich and rolling in part, and else hard and stern as the mountains. But I cannot guess what it means, save that it is laden with the sadness of Mortal Men.Such sadness as is strange to us Elves.

[Evisse the Blue]

You are correct, sir! :)

[HerenIstarion]

on we go, than :)

Green they were and pleasant, and now lie bare and empty, and no merry sound stirs this dreadful silence

[Evisse the Blue]

Tom Bombadil about the barrows?

[HerenIstarion]

Nope :)

I'm going to become self-plagiarist with reagard to hints. So the hint runs again as:

Hum, in terms of time and space, it was a lot earlier and a lot to the East

[radagastly]

If I may venture a guess . . .
It may be Thorin from The Hobbit speaking of the desolation of Smaug as they approached the Lonely Mountain in the chapter "On the Doorstep".

The land about them grew bleak and barren, though once, as Thorin told them, it had been green and fair.

"Green they were and pleasant, and now lie bare and empty, and no merry sound stirs this dreadful silence."

[HerenIstarion]

It's not a ten mark, but nine and a half for sure :). Try to narrow it just a bit (Non existent quotes are usually extensions of direct quotes)

[radagastly]

Then perhaps it's Balin, from the next page:

"There lies all that is left of Dale," said Balin. "The mountain's sides were green with woods and all the sheltered valley rich and pleasant in the days when the bells rang in that town"
"Green they were and pleasant, and now lie bare and empty, and no merry sound stirs this dreadful silence."

Is that what you had in mind?

[HerenIstarion]

Exactly :) Over to you

[radagastly]

To me then, though this is a little harder than I thought. I will hint as necessary:

"Three-score and eighteen winters have come since that place was laid bare, if only for a little."

I hope that's not too easy, or too hard. It's hard to tell.

[HerenIstarion]

May it be Haldir to Frodo about Dol-Guldur? Since Sauron declared himself at Barad-Dur in T.A. 2951, and Frodo was visiting Lorien in T.A. 3019 that may be the case:

There lies the fastness of Southern Mirkwood,' said Haldir. `It is clad in a forest of dark fir, where the trees strive one against another and their branches rot and wither. In the midst upon a stony height stands Dol Guldur, where long the hidden Enemy had his dwelling. Three-score and eighteen winters have come since that place was laid bare, if only for a little We fear that now it is inhabited again, and with power sevenfold

[radagastly]

Well, I guess that didn't take that long. You're dead on. Back to you.

[HerenIstarion]

Well, not that easy, but a bit of scanning through Tale of Years did the trick

Next one up:

Bid him hasten, so he may come hither in a short while.

[radagastly]

I think you're trying to trick us. Could this be from the Council of Elrond? Gandalf quoting Radagast quoting Saruman:

" 'Saruman the White,' answered Radagast. 'And he told me to say that if you feel the need, he will help; but you must seek his aid at once, or it will be too late.' "
"--Bid him hasten, so he may come hither in a short while."

[HerenIstarion]

Of course I'm trying to trick you. If it were easy to guess out the riddle, it would be no fun!

Not Radagas, and not Saruma. Somewhat earlier and to the east (again :))

[radagastly]

Well, it's been several days, and no one else has ventured a guess, so I think by now it's fair for me to have another try.

Could this be Barliman Butterbur quoting Gandalf to Frodo as he presents him with Gandalf's letter in Bree?

'"Barley," he says, "I'm off in the morning. Will you do something for me?" "You've only to name it," I said. "I'm in a hurry," said he, "and I've no time myself, but I want a message took to the Shire. Have you anyone you can send, and trust to go?" "I can find someone," I said, "tomorrow, maybe, or the day after." "Make it tomorrow," he says, "Bid him hasten that he may come hither in a short while."'

That's a bit of a stretch, since Gandalf doesn't talk about Frodo coming until the next paragraph, but it's all I can think of.

[HerenIstarion]

Nope, For Barliman supposedly was not in the know what kind of message was contained in Gandalf's letter (unless under 'him' you mean the messanger?)

Well, another hint - the non-existent quote was not uttered by man (nor woman at that - i.e. not human)

And again, earlier and to the east :)

[The Saucepan Man]

H-I, I'm beginning to see a pattern in your use of "earlier and to the east". ;)

If I am right, I believe that the non-quote wasn't said by Thorin to the raven Roac:

"But go specially to my cousin Dain in the Iron Hills, for he has many people well-armed, and dwells nearest to this place. Bid him hasten! Bid him hasten that he may come hither in a short while.

[HerenIstarion]

Yes, SpM, Thorin wanted Dain on the spot as soon as possible. Proceed :)

[The Saucepan Man]

As you wish. :)


I am not sure that I know myself what it is. But I would rather be in more comfortable surroundings before I think further on it.

[HerenIstarion]

Bilbo in Samug's Hall as he found an Arkenstone?

[The Saucepan Man]

No, that's not the occassion. The non-quote was not said in conversation with others.

[HerenIstarion]

Ah, probably Bilbo to himself, as Gollum kept yelling "what it got in its-s pocketses-s-ss', than?

[The Saucepan Man]

Sorry. My previous post was misleading. What I meant to say was: had the quote been said, it would have been said in a conversation with others.

[HerenIstarion]

Frodo, than, at the Bucklebury Ferry:

What in the Shire is that?’ exclaimed Merry.
‘Something that is following us,’ said Frodo. ‘But don’t ask any more now! Let’s get away at once! I am not sure that I know myself what it is. But I would rather be in more comfortable surroundings before I think further on it.

[The Saucepan Man]

Oh, he's good. Yes, he's very good. By golly, he's got it!

Well done, H-I. You're up.

[HerenIstarion]

* H-I flushes

thanks :D

next one up:

they will be hard put to it, harder maybe than we are, for the strength he sent there is no less than one awaiting us

[Evisse the Blue]

Is it maybe Aragorn speaking, in a moment of clairvoiyance:

"..when I mastered the Stone I learned many things. A grave peril I saw I coming unlooked for upon Gondor from the South that will draw off great strength from the defences of Minas Tirith. If it is not countered swiftly, I deem that the City will be lost ere ten days be gone. they will be hard put to it, harder maybe than we are, for the strength he sent there is no less than one awaiting us ." Referring to the Paths of the Dead.

[HerenIstarion]

Hola Evisse, long time no see :) good to have you back

Your guess is relevant indeed (though not correct), so I'm forced to provide you with the hint as to neither of the speakers is human. Besides, the time and place of the conversation is also very nearly guessed

Try your luck :D

[Evisse the Blue]

Then I'll try my luck and say it's Legolas to Gimli talking about their kinsfolk arriving to war:
I don't think that any would come. They have no need to ride to war, war already marches on their own lands. they will be hard put to it, harder maybe than we are, for the strength he sent there is no less than one awaiting us

[HerenIstarion]

indeedy :) You serve!

[Evisse the Blue]

Next non-quote:Yes, breakfast can be as good a time as any.
Have fun!

[HerenIstarion]

Gandalf to Bilbo when he tried to usher him onტო his there and back again walking party?

PS. ძვირფასო, ქართველი ვარ, ქართველი! ქართული კი ერთ-ერთი უძველესი ენაა, თანაც საკუთარი ანბანი აქვს. რაც შეეხება რუსულს, რუსული ჩემი მშობლიური ენა არ არის, თუმცაღა, რა დაგიმალო, ვაფასებ მცდელობას მასიამოვნო. დიდი მადლობა, გაიხარე! თუ რამეა, აგერ ფონტია მიბმული და ნახე, როგორ გამოიყურება.

[Evisse the Blue]

Haha, HI, now please translate what you said! I speak neither Russian nor Georgian, save for a few scattered words...(are those fonts Kyrillic, btw? just to give you an inkling of my complete ignorance)

As for your guess, incorrect! :p

[HerenIstarion]

Dear Evisse, you thanked me in Russian (which is quite pleasing effort on your behalf, thank you :)), so I assumed that, maybe, like so many other worthy and honest people, you believe we of former Soviet Union all speak Russian and use Cyrillic alphabets. Yet that is not so, not the least!

With the high and noble purpose of enlightenment and education in mind, I have given you example of what Georgian looks and sounds like, and, in case your browser does not support Georgian encoding (which, I suspect, would be the case, so you will probably see meaningless characters instead of aesthetically pleasing Georgian letters) I provided you and all passing by who may find themselves interested, with the font itself. It is modified to go with the latin typeset of the PC keyboard, so you can install it (unless you do not work on MAC) and amuse yourself (just like I do sometimes typing something with tengwar, which, I have to confess, I never learned and can not read, unless the same text in English is not placed before my very eyes)

Furthermore it is to be added that said alphabet is one of existing fourteen independently created, and is not related neither to Cyrillic or Latin, nor even Greek, but, allegedly, proceeds directly from Phoenecian, is rumored to be created in 4th century BC by first King of united Georgian realm (prior to that having two realms which said king, according to legend, has united after fighting off remnants of Alexander the Great's garrisons), Pharnavazi, which can not be proven, since written samples discovered so far are no older than 4th century AD. Probably it had some influence from and given some influence to Armenian, (though languages are not related whatsover), which was created sometime around 4th AD by monk under the name of Mesrop Mashrotz (spelling in English being unknown to yours truly, subject to 'sp?'), though Armenian claim of said monk creating it alongside their own is to be rejected, since it is untrue and groundless.

One way or another, it is one of the oldest written languages, which is an issue we down here find ourselves very proud of.

Ah, almost forgot - Georgian word for 'thank you' is madloba.

so, didi madloba for trying to please me with спасибо :D, I appreciate the effort

as for the quote, alas, I have no idea , than...

[Evisse the Blue]

Thank you, HI, that was very instructive! I confess my ignorance and stand corrected. :) I downloaded the font. The letters look very artistic, drawing-like, so I can see how it's related to Phoenician. Ok, I guess I'll send you a PM now before the mods tell us off for off-topic chatting. :D

Hint: The non-quote is from FOTR.

[HerenIstarion]

I think I figured that out (probably).

That would be Frodo:

And now leave me in peace for a bit! I don’t want to answer a string of questions while I am eating. I want to think!’

‘Good heavens!’ said Pippin. ‘At breakfast?’ He walked away towards the edge of the green

Yes, breakfast can be as good a time as any

[Evisse the Blue]

Well done, HI. Treat us with the next!

[HerenIstarion]

Next one up, than:

Even if I'm retired now, youngsters like you should never forget the respect you owe me

:)

[Evisse the Blue]

Maybe Saruman in 'The Scouring of the Shire'.
Kill him if you think there are enough of you, my brave hobbits!Even if I'm retired now, youngsters like you should never forget the respect you owe me

[HerenIstarion]

Nay, I doubt Saruman would refer to himself as retired, rather 'bereft of legitimate property', or "driven out' etc. The speaker of imaginary quote was indeed retired, and prior to his retirement was superior of one he speaks to

[Morsul the Dark]

sounds like Bilbo....?

during his birthday speech perhaps? i dont know half of half as well... though i am now retired... im going now good bye

[HerenIstarion]

Welcome, Morsul, it is nice to see new faces around :)

Your guess, though, is incorrect

Therefore, hints:

Superior as hierarchy, not in a sense of being better. And is being better defined by visits to elves? ;).Besides, the speaker of imagary quote is less pleasant character than one he speaks to. I daresay he's quite arrogant. And the most important hint, both were working in the same office prior to speakers retirement, thereof follows that he was other's superior litarally. After his retirement the person spoken to took the office over.

[Morsul the Dark]

well then perhaps here is my second guess...........master of lake town to the bard when the bard takes over?

or the guy samwise repplaces as mayor of hobbiton....

or the gaffer to sam when sam becomes frodo's gardener.....

hmmmmmmmm..........can decide which one is my guess seein how theyre all probably wrong ill just say all 3

[HerenIstarion]

Nope
1. Again, as in Saruman situation, master of the Lake-town was not retired, he was forced out

2. Normally, the imaginarey quote is copntinuation, or should preceed, or should be inserted into existing one. As Sam's conversation with former Mayor is not given anywhere, + hobbits are far more amicable (most of them), than person insisting on due respect, that can not be the case

3. Gaffer - same as above - he was not arrogant, just grumbling

Think broader :) Say, they both lived in a village

[Morsul the Dark]

farmer maggot to the hobbits sounds like something he would say jokingly while theyre reacalling old times "you used to pick around my mushrooms frodo but now that im retired..." but he wasnt arrogant....(i like guessing hobbits huh?):rolleyes: i know thats not the exact quote but its close

Grima to the three hunters right before he leaves for orthanc...hes arragant he was replaced as advisors (sort of) andhe would be one to claim that he left on his own accord vs being sent away.

again both wrong :mad: but theyre my newest guesses

[HerenIstarion]

Nice tries, yes. But you omitted 'the same office' and 'village' thingies :)

I'll extend my hinting: the first speaker was always fat, but after the conversation in question he grew thin very quickly

[Morsul the Dark]

hmmm fat then got skinny... definetely not a hobbit lol... lets see.....

it might not be from lotr or the hobbit because if its not then i definetely wont know it...

fat->thin arragant...Beorn((spelling?) but he lived alone in the middle of nowhere...

someone else guess please. and guess right so i can stop hurting my brain about this

[HerenIstarion]

Not that skinny, rather bag of bones - he himself became thin, but his skin remained as it was, and he was laughed at by children afterwards (as another hint, that is)

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

That sounds like the sort of thing that was on the tip of Nokes' tongue during his conversation with the King of Faery. Certainly his nickname in later years was 'old Rag-and-Bones'

[HerenIstarion]

So very true, Squatter :). Have a go (and nice to see you around again)

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Nice to be back, old bean.

Continuing with the general theme of finishing work forever, who might have said: "I'm not ready to retire, and no tramp can replace me."

[Morsul the Dark]

perhaps denetor to gandalf....

"i will not bow down to this ranger from the north im not ready to retire and no tramp will ever replace me"

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Spot on, Morsul.

[Morsul the Dark]

Here's a cruddy one:

"perhaps you are right but even if they are weak you owe them gratitude for it is because of them the enemy fell at all"

[Son of Númenor]

Elrond: "Men are weak."
Gandalf: "Perhaps you are right but even if they are weak you owe them gratitude for it is because of them the enemy fell at all."

[Morsul the Dark]

of course i told you it was cruddy

[Son of Númenor]

"...and in blind wrath I would strike you, or worse."

[Morsul the Dark]

somehow that sounds like eomer to legalas.

"if it stood but a little higher from the ground"
"you would die before your stroke fell fell"
"and in a blind wrath I would strike you, or worse."
then aragorn jumps into to save the day

[Son of Númenor]

Sorry, that's not what I'm looking for.

[Morsul the Dark]

ok...

Gandalf to Frodo?

"No through me it would weild a power great and powerful to imagine and in a blind wrath i would strike you, or worse."

[Son of Númenor]

Hehe, that's pretty funny, but still not what I had in mind.

[Morsul the Dark]

ok one more guess then i'm done

Treebeard to Merry and Pippin (i don't have the exact quote but here it is as best as i know)

"turn around let me see your faces for i think that should not like you and in a blind wrath i would strike you or worse, but let's not be hasty turn around"

[Son of Númenor]

Morsul, I want to give it to you. Your answers are funny & could work, but still none of them are right.

Here's a hint: The icon that I use on this post has something to do with the answer.

[Morsul the Dark]

Oh wow the ring the book is only called The Lord of The Rings everything is connected to the ring.

however since you were kind enough to put a hint I will venture my fourth guess(persistant arent I?)

Smeagal to Deagal.

"give it to us my precious my love."
"why?"
"Because it's my birthday and I wants it and in a blind wrath I would strike you or worse"
"I already gave you a present."

they fight please let it be right

[Evisse the Blue]

but I have another guess: Boromir becoming infuriated with Frodo:
"For I am too strong for you, halfling, and in blind wrath I would strike you or worse." Though that's probably not it either, because it's a conditional where a future tense 'would' make more sense.

Hey, that's a great quote and great guesses too. :D

[Morsul the Dark]

Sam to Gollum?

Frodo- You won't run away Sam, will you? Gollum.
Gollum-Know master we leads it to the black gate.
Frodo the ring will hold you to your word.
Sam- and I would strike you or worse.
Frodo- why do you do that?
Sam do what?
F- call him names run him down
ect...

[Son of Númenor]

Sorry, Evisse & Morsul, those aren't what I'm looking for. Perhaps a less vague hint is in order.

The line would have been spoken by a Ringbearer to a companion.

[Morsul the Dark]

ok Frodo to Sam

Sam- I could carry iot for you.
Frodo-No it is my burden and in a blind wrath i would strike you or worse no it is my burden mine alone

[Son of Númenor]

You're on the right track. Here's a semi-hint: the 'blind wrath' is directly related to the last word in the real sentence.

[Morsul the Dark]

hmmm....

so it's frodo to sam just dont know where
so here's a guess that might be acceptable


Bilbo to Gandalf

"If I am angry it's your fault! and in a blind wrath I would strike you or worse you want it for yourself."

"Bilbo Baggins!"

[Son of Númenor]

You were on the right track when you said, "so it's frodo to sam just dont know where." Think tower.

[Morsul the Dark]

in cirith ungol? when sam frees frodo. When Frodo demands the ring from sam?

[Son of Númenor]

I am, of course, looking for a specific line.

[Morsul the Dark]

makes sad puppy-dog eye
but good lord i know not which line it is that you speak of.

[Evisse the Blue]

but good lord i know not which line it is that you speak of.
lol. Maybe it's this one?:

"No, no!" cried Frodo, snatching the Ring and chain from Sam's hands. 'No, you won't you thief! And in a blind wrath I would strike you or worse"

[HerenIstarion]

What goes around comes around, and I've watched it way to long without interfering ;), so it seems fair enough to try my teeth on the pie:

O Sam!’ cried Frodo. What have I said? What have I done? Forgive me! After all you have done...and in blind wrath I would strike you, or worse It is the horrible power of the Ring. I wish it had never, never, been found. But don’t mind me, Sam. I must carry the burden to the end. It can’t be altered. You can’t come between me and this doom.’

But as it was Morsul to give me hint with his Cirith Ungol guess, I'd gladly pass the right to proceed over to him (that is, in case my answer is correct)

[Son of Númenor]

I yield the floor to whoever wants it.

[HerenIstarion]

I suppose it is Morsul's turn, than.

Just out of curiosity: were it me or Evisse with the correct guess?

[Morsul the Dark]

NOTE: I use all movie quotes for this becauser I can't quote the book as well as you all just keep that in mind for this one:

"Oh that I would that it were Gandalf and not this BEAST that lived here for he is perhaps the only one I trully say is with me."

[HerenIstarion]

I believe we'll do with the hint :)

[Morsul the Dark]

hint: let's see the beast isn't exactly a beast this charactor is describing the person he is talking about and he has just learned devastating news. :rolleyes:

[Evisse the Blue]

Theoden about Wormtongue?

[HerenIstarion]

Dear Morsul

seeing how we all are stumped, would you care to reveal the answer, and, as a victor, pose as a new question (but books this time, ple-ease, not movies, as the thread is, in general, book-oriented)

cheers

[Evisse the Blue]

"...or in springtime we may indeed behold it."

Should be easy...

[Morsul the Dark]

sorry i couldnt respond i was getting my computer fixed and second

this is my quote "a wizard should know better! Saruman, oh that i would..."

ah anpother quote... i think i know the time the place but not the quote so again Sam to Frodo on Mount Doom talking about the shire and the flowers blossoming and strawberries

please be detailed enough fore a correct answer

[Evisse the Blue]

No, it's not that, the non quote was spoken earlier than that. And 'springtime' is mentioned in that dialogue but not by the speaker of the non-quote.

[Evisse the Blue]

Any more tries? Anyone? it's easy really. Check FOTR.

[radagastly]

I will venture a guess. In the chapter titled "Lothlorien" Legolas describes the woods of Lothlorien . . .
'There lie the woods of Lothlorien!' said Legolas. 'That is the fairest of all the dwellings of my people. There are no trees like the trees of that land. For in the autumn their leaves fall not, but turn to gold. Not till the spring comes and the new green opens do they fall, and then the boughs are laden with yellow flowers; and the floor of the wood is golden, and golden is the roof, and its pillars are of silver, for the bark of the trees is smooth and grey. So still our songs in Mirkwood say. My heart would be glad if I were beneath the eaves of that wood, and it were springtime!'

'My heart will be glad, even in the winter,' said Aragorn. 'But it lies many miles away. Let us hasten!' . . .

". . .or in springtime we may indeed behold it."

Is that it?

[Evisse the Blue]

Yes, that's it. Congratulations, you got it! Give us the next one. :)

[radagastly]

This might be a bit tricky (hopefully):

Tried to see them all private he did. I gave him what for. I wouldn't even take a message.

[Evisse the Blue]

Maybe the Gaffer, according to Sam: There's been a strange customer asking for Mr. Baggins of Bag End, and he's only just gone. Tried to see them all private he did. I gave him what for. I wouldn't even take a message.

[radagastly]

No, its not the Gaffer, and it's not according to Sam. It's later in the story, outside the Shire.

[radagastly]

It's been a week, so how about a hint?

The non-quote occurs five chapters later in the book than it would in the story, if the conversation had actually occured in the book. It is related to us by someone else many miles from where it would have happened.

I'll give another hint in a few days if no one gets it sooner.

[HerenIstarion]

Probably Gandalf to the council of Elrond, retelling what Barliman may have said hom about Strider and his (Strider's) wish to see hobbits. It would fit into the following:

Yes, sir, I am afraid so, sir," said Butterbur, mistaking me. "Tried to see them all private he did. I gave him what for. I wouldn't even take a message. He got at them, in spite of all that I could do, and they took up with him. They behaved very queer all the time they were here: wilful, you might say."

[radagastly]

Exactly right! Good one, H-I. That makes it your turn.

[HerenIstarion]

Thank you :)

Next serve:

My lord, we spotted a whole lot of those dirty earth-digging creatures up there. They are asleep, and we can easily lay hands on them!

[radagastly]

How about this? It could be an orc to the Goblin King in 'The Hobbit.' As the dwarves, Bilbo and Gandalf sleep in the cave at the top of the mountain path, an orc reports their presence to the Goblin King:

My lord, we spotted a whole lot of those dirty earth-digging creatures up there. They are asleep, and we can easily lay hands on them!

What the rest of the conversation might be is anybody's guess since this scene is never witnessed, but more than likely took place in some way or other.

[HerenIstarion]

Yes, of course :) Take it over

[radagastly]

Really? That was just a guess to keep the thread from scrolling too far down the page.

Well, okay. Here we go. Something a little different.
Yavanna's thoughts among the trees
Awakened in the starlit breeze
He strides the forests full of care
His hooming bellow shakes the air!

[Evisse the Blue]

is this the continuation of Gandalf's poem:

Ere iron was found or tree was hewn,
When young was mountain under moon;
Ere ring was made or wrought was woe
It walked the forests long ago.

Yavanna's thoughts among the trees
Awakened in the starlit breeze
He strides the forests full of care
His hooming bellow shakes the air!

That was a cool idea, btw

[radagastly]

Evisse has it. This one was fun, coming up with the rhyme. Your turn.

[Evisse the Blue]

And white canvas can be covered with nonsensical paintings.

Sorry for the delay, everyone. Have at it!

[HerenIstarion]

Sounds like Gandalf to Saruman in Orthank, as reported by the former to the council of Elrond.

[Evisse the Blue]

Yep, that's the one!

[HerenIstarion]

next one:

‘They are coming from above too! Come away, or they'll swaddle you!

[HerenIstarion]

they had eight legs each

[Evisse the Blue]

Useful hint!

I suppose it goes like this: "Come down! Come down! Don't stay up there and be netted! They are coming from above too! Come away, or they'll swaddle you! "

Bilbo to the dwarves, about the eight-legged freaks.

[HerenIstarion]

correct :)

[Evisse the Blue]

Thanks!

"and closer to my heart. I feel ready to go on now."

Obscure? Maybe... ;)

[radagastly]

Might this be Merry to Pippin on the edge of Fangorn:

Merry got up. 'Yes,' he said, 'I can manage it. Lembas does put heart into you! A more wholesome sort of feeling, too, than the heat of that orc-draught. "and closer to my heart. I feel ready to go on now."

[Evisse the Blue]

but unfortunately not the one I had in mind. You're close though, both in terms of geography and timeline...

[radagastly]

Okay, one more try. Could this be Legolas, in about the same spot, but about a day and a half later:
"It is old, very old," said the Elf. "So old that almost I feel young again, as I have not felt since I journeyed with you children. It is old and full of memory. --and closer to my heart. I feel ready to go on now-- I could have been happy here if I had come in days of peace."

[Evisse the Blue]

Correct, you got it - it was indeed very obscure, but apparently not impossible. Well done, your go! :)

[radagastly]

That was a tough one. It's one of my favorite lines from Legolas, so I don't know why I didn't think of it sooner. Guess it's time to catch up and join in the Chapter by Chapter forum.

Anyway, here goes:

"I've waited long enough for things to come my way," says she. "I won't stand by and let you ruin it now!"

[Evisse the Blue]

Is it Lobelia to Frodo, in A Long Expected Party:

"You'll live to regret it, young fellow! I've waited long enough for things to come my way," says she. "I won't stand by and let you ruin it now!"

[radagastly]

You're both close and way off. Lobelia is certainly involved, but the actual speaker is not Frodo as he is the one listening, and the chapter is way off.

[Evisse the Blue]

Your hints make me almost a hundred percent sure it's the following:
"I'll give you Sharkey, you dirty thieving ruffians", says she, and ups with her umbrella and goes for the leader, nearly twice her size. "I've waited long enough for things to come my way," says she. "I won't stand by and let you ruin it now!" Tom Cotton telling Frodo the latest news in "the Scouring of the Shire"

[radagastly]

Dead on! Good one! Your turn . . .

[Evisse the Blue]

Thanks. Here I go:

"...and what shall become of the rest of the company if I were to follow my heart?"

[Evisse the Blue]

It ain't that difficult...It's quite easy actually, compared to other quotes here...
HINT: check FOTR.

[HerenIstarion]

Sounds a bit like Aragorn just as he was deciding what to do - chase orks or follow Frodo, but I can't find exact passage to fit it in...

[Evisse the Blue]

Yeah that's it, you can have it.
The exact quote was somewhere around here:
"Boromir has laid it on me to go to Minas Tirith and my heart desires it; but where are the Ring and the Bearer ..and what shall become of the rest of the company if I were to follow my heart?"

[Evisse the Blue]

HI?

[Evisse the Blue]

*louder this time* :D
Heren Istarion?

[HerenIstarion]

Such a loud call can not be left unanswered

'Yes, m'am? I'm all ears, m'am! Ah, I've missed one, m'am. You know how it is, one thing driving out another, that kind of thing, m'am. My apologies, m'am!'

Next one up:

Haul him up quick, or he'll die!

I hope not much damage was done due to my tardiness, m'am

[Evisse the Blue]

LOL. You are forgiven, it wasn't my intention to sound so mean. :)
It's just I get cranky if I go without my toys for too long, hehe. (j/k) :p

Here's a quick guess: Someone in the Fellowship could have said this just before Gandalf's fall in Moria, as he was 'grasping vainly at the stone.'

[HerenIstarion]

Thank you, m'am :D

Not, it was earlier. Would it be earlier 'a lot', or ealier 'a bit', depends on race perspective. It would have been 'a bit' for an elf, 'a lot' for a human

[Evisse the Blue]

Hmm. Maybe in The Hobbit when they are surrounded by goblins and Gandalf suddenly leaps from the tree only to be caught by the Lord of the Eagles? One of the dwarves or Bilbo could have shouted this...

[HerenIstarion]

Very close, but not cigar. Take it a little bit to the east from the spot you named, and some weeks later :)

[Evisse the Blue]

When Bilbo rescued the dwarves from the spider's web in Mirkwood?

[HerenIstarion]

Almost there. Several days back, few miles west :D

[Evisse the Blue]

When Bombur falls in the water and the others have to drag him out.

Yep, actually here it fits the best. :D

[The Elf-warrior]

"It was precious to me and I lost it with great pain."

[The Elf-warrior]

Think after the ring was destroyed.

[HerenIstarion]

10 days rule at work, I see. Might it be Frodo to Sam, just after, as your hint indicates, the Ring was destroyed?

If my guess is correct, I pass the right to continue to Evisse - she was spot on about Bombur in my previous :) My apologies for the delay to her too

[The Elf-warrior]

Sorry. That's not correct.

[HerenIstarion]

Probably Pippin about his brooch to Frodo and Sam, when they were recounting their adventures after the break up of the Fellowship?

[Evisse the Blue]

Arwen giving her white gem to Frodo? (I always took that to mean that, in this way, she symbolically surrenders her place on the ship to Valinor to him).

My apologies for the delay to her too
's okay. :D

[The Elf-warrior]

Nope. It's later on.

[radagastly]

I'm thinking that it is Frodo speaking. Some time after they are all back in the Shire Sam comes into Bag End to find that Frodo is ill, lying in bed, fingering the white gem hanging from his neck. Frodo says something like, "It is lost and now all is darkness." then your quote would come in, "It was precious to me and I lost it with great pain."

[The Elf-warrior]

You're close enough, Radagastly. It was Frodo to Farmer Cotton not Sam. The exact quote is "It is gone for ever," he said, "and now all is dark and empty." My fictional quote would go after the real one. Now it's your turn.

[radagastly]

Sorry for the delay, but I didn't get a chance to check this weekend. So, here we go:

The walls of Gondor are strong, but they do not hold back all his dark minions.

[radagastly]

Two days and not a single response. It's not very obscure, but it may be too mundane to remember. Think about a great discussion.