Ever Wonder...

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I've created this thread, so you could point out the sad realities of Middle Earth.

Ever wonder...

1) ...why the scruffy mortals get the hot elf-chicks?

2) ...why overproud leaders(I would have said king, but Denethor might torch me) experience a fiery death?

Hope you could add some more...

Wala lang!
->The True Son of Finrod

[Meela]

I've always wondered...

- why every leader/ruler loses their wife at a young age?

[One Axe to Rule them All]

-Why the dwarves are always used as comic relief?

-Why wizards have horrible love lives?

-Why hobbits are all alcaholics and drug abusers?

[Arwen1858]

why the chain holding the One Ring wasn't invisible?

[legolas luver*1]

I have wandered this many times:
Why dose Faramir look drunk when he says,
"Shall I shoot?"? smilies/eek.gif

[ October 08, 2003: Message edited by: legolas luver*1 ]

[Lily Bombadil]

I think Faramir got wasted over his brother's death, and -being a REALLY stupid drunk- thought it would be funny to have a Sméagol Stand-off.

-Why so many Bagginses became "old maids", except in guy form.
-Why Faramir looks like Robin Hood.
-Why Frodo has mini convulsions.
-Why anyone would want to date a half bald chick! (Oops! That's one of my current questions!)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Ever wonder...

1) How after-Age management look so sloppy?
(Eonwe after the War of Wrath, the Numenoreans after the Last Alliance...)

2) Why no one tries to make a Silmarillion movie? (If there's one, tell me)

Wala lang!
->The True Son of Finrod

[Elwen_starmaiden]

I think a Silmarillion movie would be really hard considering how its a lot of stories bunched together.Its like doing a movie on a history book.

Ever wonder...

-what Sauron was thinking when he was still on Numenor while it was sinking smilies/biggrin.gif

_if anyone even knows what you're speaking of ( hint:Numenor smilies/wink.gif )

[miellien]

Sauron was probably ...annoyed that Elendil and company were making a getaway.

Ever wonder
-why the hobbits didn't wear boots just for the mountain-climbing part of the journey?

[ElentariGreenleaf]

Ever wondered...

_How Frodo's chain snapped on Caradhras, then magically fixe itself so he could continue wearing the Ring on it?

_Why Legolas' eyes change from blue to purple to blue to brown to blue...?

_How Gollum managed to get across the bridge of Kazad Dum (forgive me if that's spelt wrong)

[Arwen1858]

_How Gollum managed to get across the bridge of Kazad Dum (forgive me if that's spelt wrong)

I've wondered that one before!

How Arwen got the Evenstar pendant from around her neck to it give to Aragorn? I mean, you never even see her reach for it!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Now I wonder about a few more things...

Ever wonder...

1)...that some Characters in TTT look like CIA agents?
a)Sam, face before they left Henneth Annun, look just like Marshal Flintman, from "Alias"
b)Legolas, during the Warg attack scene(before Hama and the other Horse-dude left the group), look just like Jackson Haisley, from "The Agency"

Uh...you do know what I'm talking about, do you?

[Rose Cotton]

Ever wonder.....

..why Gwahir wasn't generous enough to give Frodo a lift to Mordor?

..where Gandalf's second staff came from?

..how Gandalf keeps his white clothes so clean even after treking through Fangorn?

..why the orcs didn't notice how much shorter Frodo and Sam were when they snuck into their ranks?

..where Saruman gets his nails done? smilies/wink.gif

..why Sauron didn't destroy Mt. Doom?

That's it for now.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

..where Gandalf's second staff came from?


Maybe Saruman tossed it at him, when he saw he was escaping...

..why the orcs didn't notice how much shorter Frodo and Sam were when they snuck into their ranks?


You've got a point there...

..why Sauron didn't destroy Mt. Doom?


...or at least cover it up...say, that gives me an idea!

Ever wonder why bad guys are soooooo stupid?

Wala lang!
->The True Son of Finrod, and of Amarie the Vanyar

[Alatáriël Lossëhelin]

Ever wonder....

...why Aragorn's beard never seems to grow yet he never shaves?

...why Theoden the King had 200-300 able-bodied soldiers and the rest were old men & young boys, yet Eomer the banished nephew had 2000 mounted troops?

...why Legolas never has more than a dozen or so arrows in his quiver, yet never runs out?

...why the bow Legolas received from Galadriel is called a "bow of the Galadhrim" when it looks nothing like the bows of Haldir & company?

...how the chain of the 'One Ring' keeps appearing and disappearing, and also breaking and magically repairing itself?

[Lyta_Underhill]

...why Legolas never has more than a dozen or so arrows in his quiver, yet never runs out?
As I recall, he is always gathering fallen arrows from finished battles and replenishing his supply. I suppose it would be boring to include the "Legolas retrieves arrows from the field" scenes (well, unless you're an Orli fan and like to watch him walking about, looking at the ground, stooping, picking up...ad etcetera...)
On the theme of facial hair, not only is it unusual for Aragorn to have the same level of unshavenness, but notice that Boromir's facial hair is always so neatly trimmed and shaped, as if he carries a portable kit with him...I always got the idea that Boromir was a little bit vain, with all that ostentatious stylish clothing, shield, decorated horn, etc. (maybe I just like to look at it... smilies/biggrin.gif )

I always wonder how the hobbit manage to avoid nasty foot injuries on such rough ground. Didn't Sean Astin sustain a particularly bad one some time during filming? Just how tough ARE hobbit feet? And, speaking of Sam, you know he and Frodo walk 1600-odd miles with bare food supplies; yet it seems in the movie that Sam doesn't lose an ounce of weight! I'd think Sam would be lean and mean after such an effort!

And whoever brought up the point about the Ring not disappearing on its chain, that was an apt observation. Of course, if that were the case, the Ring would become impossible to find! Maybe it is like a Mood Ring and has to have the warmth of a finger or other living body part in order to do its work...

All I can think of right now! Bye y'all!

Cheers,
Lyta

[Arothir]

Ever wonder why Sam admits he's Frodo's gardener in the Two Towers movie, when Faramir says,"His bodyguard?"

-why Legolas wails,"Ai! Ai!" like a little sissy girl?

-why Gandalf can't reinterpret the meaning of a sentence?(Speak friend and enter)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Ever wonder what those overgrown hyenas are, and what have they done to the Wargs?

Wala lang!
->The True Son of Finrod, and of Amarië the Vanyar

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Ever wonder who's older, Elros or Elrond?

Yours, if you want to smilies/tongue.gif
->The True Son of Finrod, and of Amarië the Vanyar

[Voralphion]

why Legolas wails,"Ai! Ai!" like a little sissy girl?

Funny, although you may need to be wary of all those rabid legolas fans.

Ever wonder who's older, Elros or Elrond?

I think Elros is, as he inherited most of the family heirlooms, (ring of Barahir, Sword of Thingol, Axe of Tuor).

[Miriel Undomiel]

Hey!!!! I'm a Legolas-fangirl!!!
But i'm not like totally crazy!
I just like the way he looks... smilies/biggrin.gif
But I think that all elves are sissy (no offence!!)
But you have to agree that he being an elf might be the reason fore the homosexual-like screaming, right??? smilies/rolleyes.gif

annyways....
~You know youre obsessed with LotR when you wear a ''ring of power'' in a chain around your neck!

Thats it for now!
(sorry if I wrote something wrong! smilies/frown.gif
I'm from Norway, so I'm not so good in english writing! Hope you foregive me! smilies/frown.gif )

[Arwen1858]

Welcome to the 'Downs, Miriel Undomiel! And your English is fine. Pretty good, actually!
Arwen

[Rilwen Gamgee]

Ever wonder what those overgrown hyenas are, and what have they done to the Wargs?

I believe the "overgrown hyenas" you refer to were supposd to BE the Wargs or Wolves of Isengard, I can't quite remember which. PJ just made the Wargs look messed up.

-why Legolas wails,"Ai! Ai!" like a little sissy girl?

I'm not a fangirl, yet I don't think he's screaming like a sissy girl. Maybe he's just yelling a warning or something...

~ Why everyone in the movie's hair becomes messed up and the fixed again. I mean, Legolas' hair is scruffy in one scene and neat and comed in the next.

By the way, welcome Miriel! smilies/smile.gif

[ October 16, 2003: Message edited by: Rilwen Gamgee ]

[Naz]

...Why the character's hair, bodies, & clothes will get grimy & messed up, but they'll have nice pearly clean teeth?

[Aduyuldaiel-MirkwoodPrincess]

i can HONESTLY say that i have NEVER wondered about those...but i CAN honestly say that i HAVE wondered...

-why elrond wasnt wearing sunglasses and a suit during the council meeting

-why they didnt just ride free willy down the river anduin (sp) instead of those elven boats? i mean, elijah DOES have his connections. . .
smilies/evil.gif

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Ever wonder...

~...why Elros and Elrond are called Peredhil, when in fact they are 1/16 Ainu, 9/16 Elf, and 3/8 Man?

~...how, in the movie FotR, the Hobbits went from Bucklebury Ferry to Bree in an instant?

Yours, if you want to smilies/tongue.gif
->The True Son of Finrod, and of Amarië the Vanyar

[Everdawn]

-Why Faramir looks like Robin Hood.

I yelled that out in the cinema in my poxyest English accent (sorry to all the poms no offence meant) "Its robbin hood and his merry men!"

EVER WONDER WHY ELROND JUST DIDN'T PUSH ISUILDOR (spelling?) INTO THE FIRES OF MOUNT DOOM IN THE FIRST PLACE WHEN HE COULD AND SAVE US THE TROUBLE OF THE SECOND WAR!!??

Alter Ego Everdawn: why yes Everdawn the origional, i have, i tihnk Elrond must have been a little drunk at the time, or at least having a blonde moment, even though he is not a true blonde...

[The Saucepan Man]

EVER WONDER WHY ELROND JUST DIDN'T PUSH ISUILDOR (spelling?) INTO THE FIRES OF MOUNT DOOM IN THE FIRST PLACE WHEN HE COULD AND SAVE US THE TROUBLE OF THE SECOND WAR!!??

Indeed, as have many others: "Destroy it.... Isildur!" (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=001224).

[mark12_30]

EVER WONDER WHY ELROND JUST DIDN'T PUSH ISUILDOR (spelling?) INTO THE FIRES OF MOUNT DOOM IN THE FIRST PLACE WHEN HE COULD AND SAVE US THE TROUBLE OF THE SECOND WAR!!??

Because murder is Sauron's way, and not the Western way.

I think a more likely question is, Why didn't he wrestle it from him? Probably because stealing is also Sauron's way. As Gandalf later told Frodo, wresting it by force from Isildur would have broken Isildur's mind and driven him to madness (like Gollum.)

[Eggy]

I know this sounds sad but anyway the needs of all of the peoples of middle earth could easily have justified the killing of one man however great he was, and i think elrond should have killed isildur when he didnt cast the rulling ring into the fire.

Elrond should have known that no man could withstand the lure of so much power

[mark12_30]

Then how would Elrond have been different from Sauron in the long run? Sauron was guilty of inflicting his will on the free peoples of Middle-Earth, enslaving them and killing them. If Elrond had murdered Isildur, he would have been guilty of the same crime.

Nor was Elrond's view of the future like ours of the past. Sauron was defeated; Middle-Earth had peace for a long time after the Ring was lost.

This is a different question than "Why not assasinate Hitler", by the way. Isildur was not a mad megalomaniac dictator; he was a good man, valiant, just beginning to fall under the power of the Ring; I'm sure Elrond loved him as a fellow-soldier. I wouldn't be surprised if they had become friends; soldiers often do.

Would you have expected Sam to push Frodo in?

If Sam and Frodo had been exchanged for Legolas, Gimli, and Aragorn, and Aragorn had the Ring, would you expect Legolas and Gimli to push Aragorn in?

[Arwen1858]

Then how would Elrond have been different from Sauron in the long run? Sauron was guilty of inflicting his will on the free peoples of Middle-Earth, enslaving them and killing them. If Elrond had murdered Isildur, he would have been guilty of the same crime

I agree, for that very reason. I don't think Elrond should have pushed Isildur in for that very reason. Murder is murder.

Nor was Elrond's view of the future like ours of the past. Sauron was defeated; Middle-Earth had peace for a long time after the Ring was lost.

And since Sauron was defeated, Middle-earth wasn't in any great danger. For Elrond to push Isildur in would have been murder, and it would have been wrong.
Arwen

[Lëowen]

Ever wonder how Pippin keeps his cloak on in TTT after he rips off his brooch and tears his cloak?

[Rilwen Gamgee]

~ Ever wonder if little Hobbit or Elf lads and lasses go to school? I can immagine Elanor as a teenager coming home from school and Sam asks how her day was, but she just mumbles some incomprehensible word that sounds something like "fine".

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Ever wonder if Sauron's contacts melt?

Yours, if you want to smilies/tongue.gif
->The True Son of Finrod, and of Amarië the Vanyar

[Fyara]

ever wonder if elves are actually real?

[Arwen1858]

ever wonder if elves are actually real?
How can you ask such a thing?! Of course they're real!!! Seriously though, yes, I have. Oh, and welcome to the 'Downs, Fyara!!
Arwen

[Arwen Evenstar]

Ever wonder how Saruman keeps his clothes so white and pretty?
Ever wonder why in TTT (the movie), when the horse is about to squash Pippin, his hands are at his sides and later, they are tied to gether again? What is he Houdini? Seriously, Peter Jackson didn`t catch on to his own mistakes. smilies/wink.gif

[Arwen Evenstar]

Just to add to my post above:]

In FotR (the movie), while in Bree, Merry sits down at the table. Pippin asks,"What`s that?" Then Merry replies, "This my friend, is a pint." Pippin: "It comes in pints? I`m getting one." Pippin then leaves the table, leaving Frodo, Merry, and Sam. But when Frodo is asking Butterbur about Strider in the corner, you can clearly see Pippin sitting at the table, but not Merry! smilies/wink.gif smilies/confused.gif smilies/wink.gif

[Lhunardawen]

Ever wonder...

...why Faramir has Numenorean blood and Boromir does not?

...why only Shelob has remained of all the descendants of Ungoliant?

...why... I think these ever wonder's of mine are pretty serious... smilies/smile.gif

[ October 30, 2003: Message edited by: Lhunardawen ]

[Aduyuldaiel-MirkwoodPrincess]

mano, mano those are pretty deep thoughts.

some times...i wonder...how come legolas' tights never got ripped or stained??

...i wonder...how come butterbur was so forgetful??? hasnt he ever heard of ginko biloba???

thats all for now ~ happy haloween smilies/evil.gif

[Meela]

~ why Denethor didn't bother to save on fuel by throwing himself in the Minas Tirith beacon.

~ why Faramir didn't just push him in himself.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

~ why Denethor didn't bother to save on fuel by throwing himself in the Minas Tirith beacon.


It's a long jump... smilies/biggrin.gif smilies/biggrin.gif smilies/biggrin.gif

Anywhen...

Ever wonder how Gollum uses his nose and ears as a watch/clock/time-telling device?

He listened and sniffed, which seemed, as they had noticed before, his usual method of discovering the time of the night.

(LotR, Book IV, Chapter 7)


Later days! smilies/cool.gif
->banakil on mumakil

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Out of pure egotism, I revive this thread.

From the TTT movie...
Ever wonder...

~...if Faramir and his men have teleportation?

~...what happened to Glamdring, and why Gandalf hits the Uruk-Hai with his staff?

~...how Gimli understood "Pendraith!"

and, most importantly(not from the movie)...

~Ever wonder if LotR is payback for 1776?

Later days! smilies/cool.gif
->Elenrod

[ 12:30 AM November 27, 2003: Message edited by: Nilpaurion Felagund ]

[Galadriel55]

The first line of the Kings of Rohan was burried on the West side of Edoras. The second was on the east. Ever wonder where the third line would be (ie where Eomer was burried)?

[Galadriel55]

Ever wonder why Luthien does most of the work but Beren gets most of the credit?
Ever wonder how can Imrahil be related to Nimrodel, even distantly, if there were only 3 unions of Elves and Men?

[Galadriel55]

Ever wonder how Gildor can be Inglorion (ie son of Finrod) when Finrod didn't have a wife?

[Galadriel55]

...why Tuor became immortal if Beren could not/was not allowed to?
...how Tuor was able to get to Valinor past the Enchanted Islands and the Shadowy Seas without the help of a Silmaril?

...if other people are wondering about the exact same thing? :p
...how any unanswered questions there are still to wonder about? ;)

[Galadriel55]

Ever wonder why Fingon has to be the Lord of Hair (from fin+kano)?

[Galadriel55]

Ever wondered why Frodo and Sam did not hear Boromir's horn?

[Blind Guardian]

Ever wondered why Frodo and Sam did not hear Boromir's horn?

They probably did, but didn't turn back.

[Galadriel55]

They probably did, but didn't turn back.

When talking to Faramir, Frodo is surprsed at his story, and has to count how many days ago was that and what was he doing on that day. If he heard the horn, wouldn't he just know?

[mark12_30]

Ever wonder why Luthien does most of the work but Beren gets most of the credit?
Ever wonder how can Imrahil be related to Nimrodel, even distantly, if there were only 3 unions of Elves and Men?

I was caught by that too-- what I didn't realize (until after I had written about it) but there were only three NOLDORIN unions of elves and men. Tolkien doesnt count the silvan unions. Mithrellas was silvan, and she wedded Imrazor, a man from Dol Amroth (which probably wasn't named Dol Amroth at the time?)

[Nerwen]

I was caught by that too-- what I didn't realize (until after I had written about it) but there were only three NOLDORIN unions of elves and men. Tolkien doesnt count the silvan unions.

Eh? Since when was Lúthien a Noldo?

However, the actual line (LotR Appendix A) is "There were three unions of the Eldar and the Edain". Not all Elves are Eldar. Tolkien later (see History of Galadriel and Celeborn) cast the Silvan Elves as descendants of the Nandor, thus Eldar– but this wasn't so at time he wrote the Appendices to Lord of the Rings. In "Of the Elves" (Appendix F), it's stated that "The Elves far back in the Elder Days became divided into two main branches: The West-elves (the Eldar) and the Eastelves. Of the latter kind were most of the elven folk of Mirkwood and Lórien..."

Apart from that, the marriage of Mithrellas and Imrazôr is presented as more of a tale than an historical fact: "The legend of the prince's line", "the tradition of his house" etc. (History of G & C again). So maybe it's supposed to be off-the-record because nobody's sure if it really happened.

[Mnemosyne]

Apart from that, the marriage of Mithrellas and Imrazôr is presented as more of a tale than an historical fact: "The legend of the prince's line", "the tradition of his house" etc. (History of G & C again). So maybe it's supposed to be off-the-record because nobody's sure if it really happened.

How would you explain Imrahil's beardlessness, then?

[Nerwen]

How would you explain Imrahil's beardlessness, then?

I'm not saying the Dol Amroth-ites aren't meant to have some Elvish blood, but just that it appears no-one's sure exactly how they acquired it. So it doesn't have an"official" standing, if you see what I mean.

The main thing, though, I think, is that at the time Tolkien wrote the Appendices, he didn't consider Silvan Elves to be Eldar anyway.

[Galin]

Interestingly, for the first edition Tolkien wrote that there were three unions of the High Elves and Men, and only much later in the 1960s revised this to Eldar and Edain. By the time of this revision, Tolkien had come to think of the Silvan Elves of Mirkwood and Lorien as Eldar, but...

Nerwen wrote: In "Of the Elves" (Appendix F), it's stated that "The Elves far back in the Elder Days became divided into two main branches: The West-elves (the Eldar) and the Eastelves. Of the latter kind were most of the elven folk of Mirkwood and Lórien..."

Music to my ears Nerwen! Plus Appendix F (on translation) notes that the term Eldar referred to the Elves who had passed Oversea save the Sindar only: which I take as meaning only the Sindar -- of those elves who did not pass Oversea -- were considered Eldar.

It makes sense compared to the other citation from Appendix F, as the Sindar went just about as West as one could go without passing Oversea -- thus the West-Elves are the Eldar, and the East-elves are not (though not necessarily Avari). Tolkien never revised these author-published descriptions.


And so the legend of Mithrellas ('Grey-leaf'?), if true, did not include a High Elf in 1955, nor an Elda in the revised editions.

[Galin]

Ever wonder how Gildor can be Inglorion (ie son of Finrod) when Finrod didn't have a wife?

Inglorion, if it contains -ion 'son, descendant' (as I would suggest it does) would mean 'Son of Inglor'. Who is Inglor? As I'm sure you know, you were never supposed to know Inglor was 'once' a name of Felagund externally -- noting that Tolkien himself never published that Inglor was Felagund's name, he simply first published that Finrod, but not Felagund... was Galadriel's father!

ahem :D

So you can't really wonder this unless you know the 'unpublished' background, (otherwise you could not state that Inglor was once a name for Felagund) -- and once you know the background, you realize that Inglor is only 'Finrod' in an abandoned sense, and so...

... ever wonder who Inglor is? ;)



And you can wonder if Inglor as Felagund had a wife at the time Tolkien wrote or published Gildor Inglorion. I checked this out myself, and I think (IIRC) I found out that it was possible enough, for JRRT didn't always think that Inglor/Finrod had had no wife.

Ever wonder why Fingon has to be the Lord of Hair (from fin+kano)?

The Shibboleth of Feanor explains...

'It would have been sufficient for Fingolfin to give to his eldest son a name beginning with fin- as an echo of the ancestral name, and if this was also specially applicable it would have been approved as a good invention. In the case of Fingon it was suitable...'

So in my opinion Findecáno would have really 'meant' commander with an ancestral (and suitable) prefix added. If Fingon had been a true Sindarin name it might have conveyed 'Hair-shout' rather, if interpretable at all, but in this case Fingon was just a Sindarization of his Quenya name in any event.

[Galadriel55]

... ever wonder who Inglor is?

I happened to, once. That brought me to do a quick google search, that revealed that Inglor used to be the name of Finrod in earlier drafts. ;) :D :Merisu: