Will people still like LotR in 3000 years???

[Elróthiel]

I was thinking earlier on today, obviously about LotR, and I thought,
"Hey! In 3000 years, what will happen to LotR??? Will it be the new bible because it is the only book wide enough to survive 3000 years? Will it have inspired thousands to write spin-offs? WHAT??"

So THEN I thought,
"Hey! I'll ask what people's opinions are of this on BD!! Might also make for a good fanfic!"

So, People of Barrow-Downs! Please reply!
By the way, who here likes Bad Religion?

Namarié!
From
Elróthiel, the Elven Goddess of Hilariosity and Laughter!

[the guy who be short]

Hmmm... in 3000 years language will have changed, but being an epic I think LotR will have been translated into this tongue.
It'd still be read and appreciated, but many children would find reading uncool and therefore its fans would dwindle. Ever our numbers would fall, until our line shouldst fail for ever. smilies/frown.gif
You've made me really sad now bringing that up.

[Trippo The Hippo]

I think that you might be able to get a copy of it. I mean someday soon they will copy every book to a big hard drive to be stored almost indefinitly. So if anyone wanted a copy they could get it, but it can obviously be assumed that it wont be as big as it is now, but if Tolkien gets put into some kind of book of great authors there may be a few that check him out.

btw greetings Elróthiel post well! Also I have not heard of bad religion.

[ June 14, 2003: Message edited by: Trippo The Hippo ]

[Elróthiel]

WOOTY WOOT WOOT!! REPLIES!!!
YAY!
Sorry I made you sad Guy Who Be Short! I didn't mean to! Hey! What about adults!!? They wouldn't find reading uncool!! Oh! And!I'll bet many kids would read it in secret!! So there WOULD be fans! Just secret fans! Fans that gather in secret meetings and discuss things all LotR! On the net! Like this site, but SECRET!!! NEHAWAHAA!!!

Trippo! Bad Religion are this uber cool band! I recommend that you listen to an MP3 of some of their songs.
Oh, and yea! That would be cool if that happened! Woot! Also it be done with everything! Movies, books, drawings, paintings, mangas, animes, TV shows, computer programs, really cool theories about this world we live in (Matrix!), and etc etc........

Anyhoo, replies are goodly! Yayness!
Namarié!

[Yavanna228]

I imagine Tolkien's works will go through waves of popularity, as it has before. We just happen to be on a crest of popularity at the moment. Granted, the books probably won't be a popular then, but look at the other epics that have gone for about 3000 years, like the Odyssey. If Tolkien's works have classic elements in them that are universal to humankind, no matter what the time, surely they will endure to some extent!
Peace

[Meela]

I don't know about 3000 years, but certainly 30 years. My children will grow up reciting the Lay Of Leithian, not nursery rhymes.

[Tarien Ithil]

In 3000 years.........I'm not so sure if LOTR will be around. They'll be so many more epics and novels.
Or on the other hand, this world could be revolved around Middle-earth, Who knows? smilies/smile.gif

[Everdawn]

Something tells me that the world will be blown up in 3000 years... just an incling, you know how the world peace stakes are and all that...

But i think that people will still LOVE it its just that they wont be able to read it, becuase we will all be dead.

[Everdawn]

My children will grow up reciting the Lay Of Leithian, not nursery rhymes.


that and the script from the lion king!

[Elróthiel]

that and the script from the lion king!


LOL! I agree! BUT! Also all the cool Matrix lines! Sunglasses and pointy ears will be the new fashion! (Not that they aren't already, because they are!).
Oh! And they WILL be able to read it, because when we die, we go to the place we'd most like to go to! That's my theory anyway! So LotR fans would go to Middle-earth and become their fave race, Matrix fans would go to Zion, and be able to do all the cool Neo Stuff, Lion King fans would go to Africa and become animated lions, and Britney Spears fans would all die and go to Hell.

Yup! So LotR would be able to be read! Yay!
All hail Lord of the Rings and bow down to its God, J.R.R. Tolkien! Never question the power of Imagination!

Namarié!
From
Elróthiel, the Elven Goddess of Hilariosity and Laughter!

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Coconuts are the new horses!

[Elróthiel]

that and the script from the lion king!


LOL! I agree! BUT! Also all the cool Matrix lines! Sunglasses and pointy ears will be the new fashion! (Not that they aren't already, because they are!).
Oh! And they WILL be able to read it, because when we die, we go to the place we'd most like to go to! That's my theory anyway! So LotR fans would go to Middle-earth and become their fave race, Matrix fans would go to Zion, and be able to do all the cool Neo Stuff, Lion King fans would go to Africa and become animated lions, and Britney Spears fans would all die and go to Hell.

Yup! So LotR would be able to be read! Yay!
All hail Lord of the Rings and bow down to its God, J.R.R. Tolkien! Never question the power of Imagination!

Namarié!
From
Elróthiel, the Elven Goddess of Hilariosity and Laughter!

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Coconuts are the new horses!

[Everdawn]

and Britney Spears fans would all die and go to Hell.



What can i say? I totally agree...

[barandilwen]

i think that 3000 years from now, everybody would be a tolkein fan... i mean totally everybody... cos the books wouldn't have survived if there are only few people who would read and praise the books, right?! and i think that tolkeins books, especially lotr, the hobbit and the silmarillion, would be the best that any author has created... smilies/biggrin.gif

...and i also want to go to middle-earth! yippee!!!
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[ June 16, 2003: Message edited by: barandilwen ]

[hobbit punk]

I agree with Yavanna228. I think that J.R.R. Tolkien's works could stand the test of time. They do contain classic elements that are present, no matter what century we are in. And yes, I like Bad Religion.
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[Everdawn]

Yeah, well im still betting on the world being destroyed by then! smilies/evil.gif smilies/biggrin.gif

[purplefluffychainsaw]

I agree with everdawn- This world is so going "Kaboie" soon...

BUT! Where ever the human race and their stupid annoying I-must-kill-every-thing-that-is-in-my-way LotR mut go to! For where are we without Tolkien??? Who will the Mary-sues call freaks? Who will take over the new form of IT rooms? Who will Be the LotR fans? Who will be misunderstood, and not understood?

Tolkien will follow. For he is the Writer, the maker of Arda. Never shall the world go without Tolkien again.

Have I freaked you yet??? smilies/tongue.gif smilies/evil.gif

[the guy who be short]

The Prophecy of Mandos concerning the Fate of The Lord of th Rings.

This knowledge have I, Jay, acknowledged by meditation and prayer to Mandos.

The Lord of the Rings fans are many, yet too few. For many ages, more shall be born, yet ever too few. They will be scattered, divided, leaderless. And one by one, the lines of their children shall fail, until the utmost end, when none shall be left who believe in Eru or the Valar. Then shall be the last singing, and the greatest, and the secrets of Dead Men shall be revealed to all. And Morgoth should enter again, but be stricken by Turin and Fionwe and Fingolfin. Then shall He be defeated utterly, and thence will follow the utmost end, and the glory of Eru Iluvatar revealed to all.

[Arielle]

Well, if we now leave things for our children to love and remember LOTR, then our children will passit on to the next generation and so on, then 3000 years later, they will still love and will always remember the Lord of The Rings ... smilies/smile.gif

[Alatariel Telemnar]

Some people say that if you keep DVD well preserved (like not go breaking them and leaving them out to get all dusty) then they will last 4ever, there's always the DVD's. Think 3000 years into the future, if we give all our kids these DVD's and they pass them down to their kids and so on and so forth, the people of, what? 5003??, will still have these DVDs. So some of the people from 5003 find these DvDs, and watch them, they get interested in it and look uo the books ( if his books ever suddenly disappear *gasp* ) So they look up the books way back in the ancient library conveinently located down the street, and find them, they read them, tell friends about them, friends read them, etc. So that if for some reason, Tolkien's books were for some reason disappear off he face of the earth *gasp*, but not entirely, then they cant go to the library down the street, and if they still read the books they can still like them...


but who's talkeng about the books disappearing.... n/m I never said anything.... smilies/rolleyes.gif smilies/rolleyes.gif smilies/rolleyes.gif smilies/rolleyes.gif

[ June 18, 2003: Message edited by: Alatariel Telemnar ]

[Dunwen]

Well, if everyone reads the books to their kids 24/7, than the kids will grow up loving Tolkien, and the books will get passed down through generation and generation, and so on and so forth. Then Tolkien will have immortality!

[Meela]

When I'm pregnant I will play the audio versions to my unborn children. That way they will be fluent in the books as they grow up (if I continue to play them during my child's sleep). I don't know if it will work, but it is worth a try.

[Tarien Ithil]

I'm pregnant I will play the audio versions to my unborn children.

Meela, hehe. They'll never get it out of their heads. They'll be humming it throughout their lives!

[Alatariel Telemnar]

Meela, hehe. They'll never get it out of their heads. They'll be humming it throughout their lives!

You speak of it as if some of us don't do that already.... lol, I'm sure many people already do...
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[ June 19, 2003: Message edited by: Alatariel Telemnar ]

[Elróthiel]

Hey yea! That's a really cool idea Meela! I think that everyone who gets pregnant should be sent a copy of LotR in book and tape version! This way, you don't have to read it out when your throat hurts! DAMN THROATACHE!!!!
When the kids are asleep, put a little CD player next to their bed with LotR playing. Heehee! smilies/biggrin.gif
This world won't go kablooie, Elanor! Reason: Because it will go Kerflummpth! when it collapses from the heat of global warming. DAMN FACTORIES!!!!!!!!!!
See y'all!
Namarié!
From
ME!
Elróthiel, the Elven Goddess of Hilariosity and Laughter!

[purplefluffychainsaw]

Damn. I knew there was something wrong with that therory...

[Anything but Arwen]

Wicked Thread Nathalie!!! Aint seen ye in aaaaaaaaages....we have a new instructor, now Dawn left....hes called Tim...he let me ride Asfaloth!! **dances** But I had to ride Cossie first....Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanyway....

[Nimrodel of Lorien]

Of course it will still be popular! Look at Shakespeare, people still read his plays and not always just because they have to (i.e school). I read it before they even started talking about it in school simply because I wanted to.
My point being that if the book is good enough (as good as LotR and other of Tolkien's works) than it will still be popular. Despite the decreasing number of readers, or the language changes. But I don't think you could compare it to the Bible or anything of that nature because people worshipped what is in that so that would be the difference.
Ok well let's just say that my entire descendance shall love LotR or else I'll be back to haunt them! Muahahahahaha! smilies/evil.gif smilies/wink.gif

[Tarien Ithil]

Hey Nimrodel and welcome to the Downs! smilies/smile.gif smilies/biggrin.gif

OK, that was a bit off topic....

Never mind me!

[Aredhel Idril Telcontar]

The Books, in my opinion, will last forever, because they're classic and classic never dies.
Imagine, when we all live in space colonies (because Earth will go KABOOM one day certainly) they will be named 'Rivendell', 'Lothlorien', 'Hobbiton' etc.
Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside (about the name part, not Earth-blowing-up part smilies/wink.gif).
Besides, when Dagor Dagorath (sp?) comes, and Morgoth is utterly defeated, all will know the truth smilies/biggrin.gif

[Tarien Ithil]

The Books, in my opinion, will last forever, because they're classic and classic never dies.

That's very true, Aredhel. Why, I bet Tolkien would be happy to see that! smilies/smile.gif

[Alatariel Telemnar]

Yep, that's true... smilies/biggrin.gif smilies/biggrin.gif smilies/biggrin.gif

[ElenCala Isil]

Well hoping that our children will have such classics passed down to them, and they pass the same classics on to their children and so on and so forth, I believe that Tolkien's legacy will still live smilies/biggrin.gif

[Alatariel Telemnar]

Was my first idea the longest post? Okay, just ignore that... I just got carried away...

[Trippo The Hippo]

I was just thinking. Elróthiel did you mean the year 3,000 or 3,000 years from now? Just curious.

[Elróthiel]

I meant IN 3000 years. Not the year 3000, but IN 3000 years. I think it makes this whole thread more interesting. Yup!
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Me!
Elrothiel (sorry, comp won't allow special characters), the Elven Goddess of Hilariosity and Laughter!

[Elróthiel]

Come on people! Give YOUR opinion of whether or not people will like LotR in 3000 years!
This topic is in a danger of going off the first page!! (*gasp* SHOCK HORROR!!)
Come on then! Post a reply!
Happy Posting!
From
Elróthiel, the Elven Goddess of Hilariosity and Laughter! smilies/smile.gif

[Everdawn]

Meela, one of two things can happen then... Either you children will be everything the tolkienist, or skitzophrenic... smilies/biggrin.gif

[Elennar Starfire]

But i think that people will still LOVE it its just that they wont be able to read it, becuase we will all be dead.

Umm... Aren't we all dead anyways? smilies/biggrin.gif

My children will grow up speaking fluent Elvish. smilies/wink.gif smilies/biggrin.gif smilies/biggrin.gif smilies/tongue.gif

[Gamja]

will people be around until the next 3000 years?

[Meela]

Yeh, I will

[Rumil]

The Odyssey's getting on for 3000 years old and the Epic of Gilgamesh is even older than that, so it could happen. The big question is whether there'll be anyone around to read them.

Perhaps we should build a pyramid and engrave the Lord of the Rings in a big central chamber, well it worked for the Egyptians smilies/wink.gif

[Iarwain]

Hm. Presuming that humanity will exist on earth in 3 millenia, we still have to ask what turns civilization will take between now and then. Optimists might say that earth will be a garden utopia ecquipped with a perfect system of justice, while pesimists could say that we will be reduced back to primative villages and means of subsistence because of raging global conflicts. Of course, this all seems very unrealistic right now: radical views of possibilities that will surely never become reality. Human shortsightedness gives us far-fetched suppositions. The ideal (for the book itself) will be that it will be considered as mythology, and that newspeak translations will be sold in bookstores, or kept in the libraries of village elders. This is all quite ridiculous, though. I really doubt that it will be remembered at all in 5003, or if it is, it will be as well known as Caedmon's poem.

The truth is that Tolkien did not further society, nor did he make any technological developments. He was good in his field, but his field is relatively unconsidered by the modern public. In fact, I recently gave an improvisational speech on philology, and I'm sure that the majority of my audience did not even know what the subject was until I began to discuss it. No one will remember Tolkien in the far reaches of the future, just as surely as the fact that the future will not remember most of us. Perhaps he will continue for a few generations, but all things must end, and I'm sure that Middle-Earth is no exception to the rule.

Iarwain

[ July 08, 2003: Message edited by: Iarwain ]

[Arwen Imladris]

I think that if people and books are still around then, which is assuming an awful lot, LOTR will still be popular. Critics have been saying ever since LOTR was published that it is just a faze and it will die out. Well guesse what? It is now stronger than ever. I agree that it will not be as popular as it is today, but it will be about as popular as it was before the movies came out. The themes and characters are timeless and universal. I think that the things that make LOTR popular in the first place will still be there in 3000 years. People will always be able to relate to war, technology, little people, mountains and the sea.

[Elróthiel]

Thank you all SO MUCH for posting on my thread and putting your opinions down!
I love you all! I'm giving everyone a Pocky!
If you don't know what Pocky is: Its, or rather They are bread sticks dipped in flavored "icing" like stuff. There are different flavors such as strawberry and chocolate. Yummy!
Ja ne!
Namarié!
From
Elróthiel, the Elven Goddess of Hilariosity and Laughter!

[TaliesinWest]

Perhaps we should build a pyramid and engrave the Lord of the Rings in a big central chamber, well it worked for the Egyptians

Heh. I can just see archaeologists excavating a site and finding a computer and a copy of The Lord of the Rings.

'These ancient people seemed to be believers of some sort of demigod called "Tohl-kinn". They were a scattered people, but many communicated with others of their kind over large distances using a primitive device called the "ihn-tur-net", meeting at "wehb-saetes". One of these meeting places was a community called "Thuh Bair-roh Dohwnz", rulled by a fearsome king ("Thuh Bair-roh Waete") with unusual powers over said meeting place. smilies/eek.gif What is especially intriguing about this community is that they seemed to think they were all dead. Another community of "Tohl-kinn-ists" (the name the followers of "Tohl-kinn" gave to themselves) thought they were all tornadoes. We are not yet sure if these people were under some form of hallucinative drug when meeting.' smilies/wink.gif

[Elróthiel]

Nice one TaliesinWest!
The computer would be on, and "Smells Like Teen Spirit" by the Legendary Nirvana would be playing on Windows Media Player in a loop, and there would be lots of random drawings scattered around the table.
The Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales would be in there as well!! With a list of names.
The list would be all my favorite characters, but they wouldn't know that!

Anyhoo, maybe everyone will be pirates in the future, and one day, they find a chest, and inside is not gold, but a copy of LotR, the Silm, and Unfinished Tales. With a wireless laptop with Internet! Nehawahaa!
From
Elróthiel, the Insane Elven Goddess of Hilariosity and Laughter Who Sees the Corruption of the World Today!

[Lord of Angmar]

I really doubt that it will be remembered at all in 5003, or if it is, it will be as well known as Caedmon's poem.

Good, idea, Iarwain, comparing Professor Tolkien to Caedmon. smilies/smile.gif I think that whatever the state of humanity may be in 3000 years, Tolkien's work will be obscure, although there is a chance that it could be remembered and studied as an epic just as the Odyssey and the Iliad are today.

The ideal (for the book itself) will be that it will be considered as mythology

I have also considered how wonderful it would be for a future race or civilization, be it humanity in the future or an alien civilization, to translate Tolkien's books and take them for a complex mythology or even some sort of skewed history of the world.

[ September 10, 2003: Message edited by: Lord of Angmar ]

[Ainaserkewen]

I don't know if people will still like Tolkien in 3000 years, their tastes may have changed too dramatically, but it will still be preserved and remembered I think, as a great peice of 21st century writting. Today, since we write almost everything down in books, I think that it will really be easy for people in the future to understand our culture. Non of the ifs or ors, but they'll have millions of books, and pictures and movies and dvds. Yes, Tolkien, I believe will be around forever.

[Arvedui24]

Oh yes, well i do hope so, can anyone really imagine a world without LOTR, it is just scary dont u think? Imagine a generation denied the experience...chilling. Such an epic masterpiece will never die and discussions abou it will continue when we are six feet under. Anyway thats how i feel.

[Meneltarmacil]

I have another idea: What if they lost everything from (then) ancient history and suddenly found LOTR, the Sil, and UT? They'd think that it was actually a description of historical events. Considering the way Tolkien wrote them, it is possible to make that kind of mistake. Imagine it being used in history texbooks! smilies/biggrin.gif

[ September 14, 2003: Message edited by: Meneltarmacil ]

[Naz]

If LotR is passed down from generation to generation, it oughtta survive, ne?

Can I have a pocky now?? PLEASE??? *_* Pocky goood...

[Elróthiel]

Yes! Here is some Kobe Wine flavored Pocky that came all the way from Japan!
*gives stick of wine flavored pocky*
Ja ne!
From
Elróthiel, the Insane Elven Goddess of Hilariosity and Laughter!
PS: NIRVANA ROCK!!!

[Amarantha_Daisy]

I think LotR will live forever... It's just one of those timeless things that never gets old. It fits with every generation... Lots of old things are still popular, and in 3000 years, I think LotR will be one of them.

*hands Naz some strawberry Pocky* Strawberry's my favorite, but I like the Almond crunch, too. smilies/wink.gif

[Elróthiel]

Hello everyone!! Vedui il'er!
Just reviving this topic!
Here's a new thought for it though.
How will LotR survive? I'm not saying it isn't popular, because it is! VERY! I'm saying, by what METHOD will people conserve LotR's greatness?

Ja ne!
Namárie!
From
Elróthiel, the Insane Elven Goddess of Hilariosity and Laughter!
PS: NIRVANA AND VILLE VALO ROCK!!!!!!

[Firefoot]

They'd think that it was actually a description of historical events. That would be cool. I think I like TaliesinWest's theory better. We could confuse a whole bunch of people!! smilies/biggrin.gif

As for how it could be preserved... just about the same way that all the other aforesaid stories were. I don't think the DVD idea would work - they would probably not have DVD players anymore; they would have something much more technologically advanced.

But then, I honestly don't think this world will be around in 3000 years, so I suppose neither would LotR. But I think LotR will last as long as this world does, or at least I hope it does. It would be a sad, sad place without LotR. smilies/frown.gif But as long as it is I'm happy. smilies/biggrin.gif <--See? Very, very happy.

I think this thread has a strange effect on some people's minds to use lots and lots of exclamation marks...

[Saraphim]

The Odyssey's getting on for 3000 years old and the Epic of Gilgamesh is even older than that

Ditto! That and the Ramayana, the Nibelung Saga, and more! And think of most of the world's religions! Ex: Judaism and the Old Testament have been around for about 3,000 years, not to mention the fact that millions still read it!

So, I do think people will read Lord of the Rings in 3,000 years. It might not be the exact story (if you think realisticly, alot of things get misconstued over even 100 years), but it is such a timeless story that I can't see it ever falling to the wayside.

This has been My Two Cents
~ Saraph

[Finwe]

Lord of the Rings will always exist as long as humankind believes in and honors love, strength, valor, honor, courage, steadfastness, loyalty, justice, and freedom.