Elvish Insults!

[Uruloki]

1. I am sorry if this topic has already been done
2. I know it should probably go in the language section but I wasn't sure if it would insult anyone there so I thought it best to post here.

Anyone know any good elvish insults that you can shout at your boss or teachers without them knowing what the hell your on about?
Here are some:

Nadorhuan(rim)= cowardly dog(s)

Auta miqula orqu= go kiss an orc

Amin delotha lle= I hate you

Antolle ulua sulrim= Much wind pours from
your mouth

Lle naa haran e' nausalle= you are king in your imagination

Amin feuya ten' lle= You disgust me

Lle holma ve' edan= you smell like a human (oooo, harsh smilies/biggrin.gif)

Llie n'vanima ar' lle atara lanneina= You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny

[Starbreeze]

Oh harsh! Lol! Never mind insulting - you could do more damage by making people laugh to death! They are funny! Which elven language is it? Quenya?

[Amberle]

In the language I made up, "Go kiss an Orc" is "Ja kass eni jhana" smilies/biggrin.gif

[Starbreeze]

Cool, you made up a language - with insults!

[Starbreeze]

Cool, you made up a language - with insults!

[*Varda*]

Heehee those are so funny smilies/tongue.gif *wonders which one to use on her very irritating 'friend'*

[Gorothlammothiel]

Hummm I guess they came from the Grey Company maybe you should look on other similar sites for more?

[ June 19, 2002: Message edited by: Gorothlammothiel ]

[Celebmundoiel]

I think their Quenya because I have a quenya translations sheet thing and those insults are in there.

[Gimli Son Of Gloin]

How do you say "You idiot!"?

[ June 19, 2002: Message edited by: Gimli Son Of Gloin ]

[Amberle]

What would be the point of having a made up language if there weren't insults, Starbreeze? smilies/smile.gif

[Glenethor]

How do you say:

"Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelled of eldeberries!"

[Lindolirian]

Once again, the Grey Company... This website does not use true Tolkien Elvish. It is based on it but is not the languages created by Tolkien. But then again, if you want to use them, the person you are insulting probably won;t know the difference. Just remember, it is Tolkien based, not Tolkien.

[Lothiriel Silmarien]

Uruloki, these are so funny! I gotta memorize a few now..

[Waenfalathiel]

lol these are so funny smilies/biggrin.gif smilies/biggrin.gif smilies/biggrin.gif smilies/biggrin.gif

[orlandoandsaran]

I better write those down! They're so funny!

[Starbreeze]

What would be the point of having a made up language if there weren't insults, Starbreeze?

Good point!

[Uruloki]

Thanks all for liking them!
Yes they are Quenya based and I understand that they aren't true Tolkien but I thought they were fun E!
I'll try to get some more for ya!

[GreatWarg]

Well, if you want some true ELvish... it ain't what I call a proper insult, but... Gurth goth rim yrch! Means, death to you Orc! And this is true Tolkien elvish.

[Pallando]

Try this one on for size:

Lya amil i a Yrch ar lya atar i a Troll!

(I don't know what Troll is in Sindar or Quenya.)

Your mother is a Orc and your father is a Troll!

[Rosseiliantiel]

Oi, this was MY thread! *scowls* smilies/mad.gif
No, no, just kidding! Fooled ya.

[Elenna]

How about something like "Your hair is sooooo lame" or "That robe makes you look fat." or *gasp* "Your nail polish is tacky"

Hee hee hee. Girly elves.

[Lady_Galadriel]

Lol! Those are soo funny! Here's another one I always tell my sister
polle naa lost - your head is empty
thoug i think it's just tolkien based quenya.
How about something like "Your hair is sooooo lame" or "That robe makes you look fat." or *gasp* "Your nail polish is tacky"
Hee hee hee. Girly elves.

Eeehhh.. Sounds alot like my sister, come to think of it. Oohhh. creepy.

That's cool!!! Do you think there are girly elves?

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[the guy who be short]

i dont know how to say "you are" but this is in quenya.

_____ (person's name) na urco
_____ is an orc

_____ (p.n.) na culuma
_____ is an orange!! smilies/tongue.gif

_____ (p.n.) na umea ulundo
or
_____ ar ______ nar umie ulundor

_____ is an evil monster
_____ and ______ are evil monsters

_____ na sangwa ar umea
you are poison and evil


im sure these are mostly correct, but i havent had my quenya lessons for ages, so a very few letters might be wrong

[Meela]

he he...

[Finwe]

I insulted a girl who was making fun of me at a bookstore for liking Tolkien stuff.

Amilelya fummë nu rauco. "Your mother slept under a monster."

The funny thing was, this Elrond-lookalike who was standing right next to me burst out laughing because he understood Quenya, which bewildered the poor girl even more.

[the guy who be short]

That was sooo funny finwe! an elrond lookalike knowng quenya - cool!

[Finwe]

The great part was he also asked me out. Unfortunately, my parents did the exact same thing that Elrond did when he found out about Aragorn and Arwen. Mine claimed that the guy could be a serial killer in disguise and that I was too young to date. So, I resorted to screaming "Narelyë raucor!" at them repeatedly.

[Sauron_the_Abhorred]

These(sorry...THIS) are probably FULLLL of mistakes, but hey, I just started Quenya.

Fat person(especially girls)- Mordor tiuca Nauco rauco. Evil fat Dwarf demon/monster.

[the guy who be short]

i thought monster was ulundo?

[VanimaEdhel]

From what I've seen, guy who be short, most of these are Grey-Elvish expressions. Now, as we all know, Grey-Elvish is based loosely on Tolkien's language, but they are not actually the words of Tolkien. After consulting the Council of Elrond dictionary, "evil" in Quenya is: úmëa, ulca, saura (which refers more to being evil-smelling, or putrid). In Sindarin, it is: um, balch, and gûl (which is evil magic). An evil creature is "raug". Ooo! They have Noldorin now on the Council of Elrond. An evil creature is a "rhaug" or a "graug". In order to say "You are evil" in Sindarin, one could probably simply say "Le úmëa", as they tend not to use the verb "to be" much (similar to Russian in that regard, I suppose).

EDIT: and yes, "ulundo" means monster, as does "úvanimo", which means, literally, "a creature of Melkor". In Sindarin, it's "úan" or "ulunn". "Ulun" and "ulund" mean "monster" in Noldorin.

[ May 29, 2003: Message edited by: VanimaEdhel ]

[purplefluffychainsaw]

Hmm... I don't think elvish is that much of a good language to insult people in... However when my sisters get on my nerves I love to confuse them and insult them in one blow:

Thaur rakuo
abominable demon.

(I can't be bothered to get my elvish dic. out and check the spellings... sorry! smilies/frown.gif

[Finwe]

There are several different words for "monster." Both ulundo and rauco mean the same thing.

[Sapphire_Flame]

For those of you who are interested here is how you say "You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny" in real, Tolkien Sindarin:

"Le uanui a lin naneth hab le gladhaen."

The i in "lin" and the a in "hab" both have circumflexes over them. (circumflex=> ^ ) I hope you all can find this information useful.

[Tarien Ithil]

Uruloki, did you get those insults from Grey Company??

They're very funny! smilies/biggrin.gif

[Trippo The Hippo]

I am not sure on the spelling but Losto'l means Empty Head smilies/biggrin.gif.

[Sapphire_Flame]

In Sindarin or Quenyan? Because in Sindarin, Losto means "sleep".

[VanimaEdhel]

Well, "dol" means head and "lost" means "empty". The "d" sound would probably be lost due to the many consonant mutations in Elvish. So yes, Lostol would mean "empty head".

Oh, and that's Sindarin.

[ May 31, 2003: Message edited by: VanimaEdhel ]

[Trippo The Hippo]

Thanks VanimaEdhel, I dont know alot of elvish. Bu I had just heard that from a friend of mine who knows alot, and likes to insult me in elvish. So I thought I should put that on up here.

[Nuinatariel]

I'm not sure if this is grammatically correct, but:

Lle harya i sáma o gond- (translated literally) you possess the mind of stone.

[Elentarimir]

LOL!!!

Tomorrow I'm gonna run around school yelling Elvish insults at everyone I don't like. smilies/eek.gif

Hehe...Find some more!

[Niluial]

Lol I said "Llie n'vanima ar' lle atara lanneina" (You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny) to my Professor yesterday.. he just looked at me and started laughing… I hope my Professor is not a Tolkien fan.. or I’m in trouble. Ok, is there an Professor here who teaches a girl named Kyla McAllen.. in Sydney smilies/biggrin.gif…

[ June 02, 2003: Message edited by: Niluial ]

[the guy who be short]

Llie n'vanima ar' lle atara lanneina

Uh oh! I sense grey elvish! I'm no expert in elvish, but atar means dad, and as far as i know, ar doesnt need an apostrophe after it.

[Sapphire_Flame]

Uh oh! I sense grey elvish!
Exactly, guy. That's why I posted the REAL way to say that earlier. Check near the bottom of the first page. smilies/wink.gif

[the guy who be short]

Thanks, sapphireflame. I already saw that actually. Doesnt n'vanima mean not beautiful rather than ugly?

[VanimaEdhel]

n'vanima

It might not even mean that. I thought that "u" was also the Quenya "not" or "dark". I could be wrong, of course, as I often am.

[Sapphire_Flame]

U- can be a prefix in Sindarin, meaning "not" or implying a negative. (i.e. u-bedo = don't talk)

[the guy who be short]

Well, n- is a common European prefix meaning not. So, perhaps this language uses it because Europeans (and Americans) will be comfortable with it.
Damn grey company elvish. Or, as i call it, Grelvish.

[Elentarimir]

Hey, I like grey Elvish! smilies/tongue.gif

[the guy who be short]

I meant grey company elvish! Not sindarin, obviously.

[Feared Half-Elf]

EVERYONE'S SAID ALL MINE!!!! PLUS A FEW!!!!!!

[Finwe]

I really think we ought to alert people somehow about Grelvish. It's starting to get very annoying.

I think the proper term is uvanima, because Morgoth's creations were called Uvanimar, or Ugly Ones (because they were monsters), and the singular of that term is "Uvanima." The prefix "u-" also means "not" or "opposite" in Quenya.

[the guy who be short]

how do you say "you are" in quenya. Im taking lessons, but i havent done so for ages, and also pronouns is something like lesson 11! i know "na" means "is" (or "nar" plural) but how do you say "you are"? just thought it would be easier asking you people than doing about 15 lessons.

[Tarien Ithil]

Hey guy who be short!

I don't think there is a 'you are' in Quenya. If you want to say 'you are', you say 'lle'.

Hope that helped!

~Tarien

P.S Nil, did you really say that to your professor?? smilies/tongue.gif
I said "Auta Miqula Orqu" to my Physics teacher last week when she ticked me off.
She scolded me for speaking rubbish! smilies/smile.gif smilies/tongue.gif

[the guy who be short]

Isnt lle Sindarin? Well, i dont suppose it particularly matters, nobody can tell anyway. Or i could just say (insert name here) na uvanima.

[Finwe]

It would have to be "na" (with an accent on the "a") because it is a singular "you." If it were plural, then it would be "nar." The full phrase is:

"Nal(yë) (whatever phrase that you want to add in)"

[barandilwen]

i was wonderin were you learn more of these stuff cos it really rocks! i only know a few of elvish, sindarin and quenya... can you recomend any sites?

[Tarien Ithil]

Guy,

could I just say (insert name here) na uvamnima

Hmmm..yes 'lle' is Sindarin. Did you wnat it in Quenya?
"na uvanima" is correct, I should think. smilies/smile.gif

Sorry if I'm confusing you. smilies/rolleyes.gif

BTW, barandilwen, go to
www.grey-company.org (http://www.grey-company.org) (although this isn't exactly correct Elvish)
www.hot-elf.com (http://www.hot-elf.com)

Ask the others - they can recommend some more sites. smilies/smile.gif

[Finwe]

I do NOT recommend using the Grey Elvish site. It will just confuse you. The best site to learn true Elvish is Ardalambion (www.ardalambion.com). That is the only site that I will trust.

[Sapphire_Flame]

Right on, Finwe. smilies/wink.gif

Yeah, I don't trust Grelvish in any shape or form. Go to Ardalambion (http://www.ardalambion.com), or to Fellowship of the Word-smiths (http://www.elvish.org) for correct elvish, both Sindarin and Quenyan. Fellowship of the Word-smiths also has stuff about Tengwar (with cool examples of Elvish calligraphy), plus all the Middle-earthean language lines from the Movies, with translations. A very useful site.

Abedithon le! smilies/biggrin.gif

[Dunwen]

Also, web page (http://www.councilofelrond.com)has great lessons in Sindarin, plus you can sign up to be a "buddy" with another member. You can either learn fromt them if they are more advanced than you are, or teachers are always welcome.

[Maikadurwen]

null (http://null) http://www.orlandobloomfiles.com

[Maikadurwen]

wow these are really good

[barandilwen]

i really appreciate you guys for giving me these websites... thank a lot! and i'm sorry if i replied rather late due to some important things i can't escape from... smilies/biggrin.gif

[Orominuialwen]

Fellowship of the Wordsmiths (http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/language.htm),a.k.a. Gwaith i-Phethdain rules. I found a great book for learning Quenya and Sindarin. It's called The Languages of Tolkien's Middle-earth and it's by Ruth S. Noel. Everyone who wants to learn elvish should read this book! smilies/biggrin.gif

[Elennar Starfire]

My choir teacher would sometimes talk for the whole class period, and we would not sing that day, so once I said "antolle ulua sulrim" (much wind pours from your mouth) as I was leaving the room. Also once I told a girl to "auta miqula orqu" (go kiss an orc), and she said "umm...yes?" I thought it was quite funny.

I know, those are Grelvish, but I didn't know any good Quenyan or Sindarin insults then.

[Lëowen]

I'm not sure if this counts as an insult, but...

Man fir ar hyraryalle aran?

Basically, 'who died and left you king?'

[Sapphire_Flame]

*snork* Nice one, Leowen. smilies/biggrin.gif
but I didn't know any good Quenyan or Sindarin insults
Allow me to assist:

Le uanui a lin naneth hab le gladhaen. ~~"You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny."

Anu hen orch u-naneth ~~"Son of a motherless orc."

And of course Leowen's brilliant one above. smilies/wink.gif

Abedithon le,

~*~Aranel~*~

[the guy who be short]

Man fir ar hyraryalle aran?

How do you pronounce hyraryalle? Should the "y"'s sound like the "i" in pit?
(I know the rest of pronunciation in quenya)

[Lëowen]

I'm actually not quite sure how to pronounce that. Sorry.
Maybe someone else knows?

[Sapphire_Flame]

The vowel "y" is pronounced like "ee" with rounded lips. It takes a while to get it right....

Abedithon le,

~*~Aranel~*~

[Elennar Starfire]

Thank you, Sapphire_Flame! That's very helpful.

[Sapphire_Flame]

*bows* Cuinen buiad, mellyn nin!

Abedithon le,

~*~Aranel~*~

[maikafanawen]

I like Grey Company because it has a great variety of words for someone who wants to learn a few quick words of a pretty language. But I do agree that they should magnify that writing in very fine print under their homepage title. None the less, I won't begin to admonish every newbie that collects a handful of vocabulary from that site. Grelvish ... smilies/smile.gif

Anywho, I was wondering if anyone knows how to say some sort of more elegant insult/comebacks like "You'll forgive me if I don't get up" or "You understand if I don't hold my breath" Of course it isn't going to fit exactly but just something of that gist.

I guess we could break it down to translate:

"You'll understand if I don't..."

and then

"hold my breath" or "get up [to greet you]"

The people I know at academy and clubs do know a collection of elvish and it wouldn't be very subtle if I was to insult them in a language they knew! smilies/smile.gif But I've never heard these phrases before ... smilies/biggrin.gif

Thanks

-Maikafanawen

[EDIT]: Oh yeah...I couldn't get that Ardalamdion (I think I spelt that right) website to open. Can someone give me the exact address instead of a link? Thanks!

[ August 14, 2003: Message edited by: maikafanawen ]

[Sapphire_Flame]

Maika, the address is www.ardalambion.com. Hope that helps!

And for your "polite" insults:

Heniach ir u-'erin hwest nin. = You'll understand if I don't hold my breath.

Heniach ir nin u-erien suilad le. = You'll understand if I don't rise to greet you.

I hope I could be of assistance.

Abedithon le,

~*~Aranel~*~

[maikafanawen]

Oooh! Thank ye sooo much!

-Maikafanawen

[Aethelwine]

Hello everybody!

So, "Auta miqula orqu." is Grelvish? To bad, I really like it.

I'm sorry if I've not seen this, but then what is the real Quenya/Sindarin translation for : Go kiss an orc?

Thanks already!

Aethelwine.

[Elennar Starfire]

Could anyone tell me the translation for "idiot" or "fool" or something of that sort?

[Sapphire_Flame]

"Go kiss an orc" = "Bado orch echado meleth." (lit. "go make love to an orc")

There isn't a direct word for "fool" or "idiot" in Sindarin. The closest I got was "rinc" (jerk) and "na er gladhant (one laughed at).

Abedithon le,

~*~Aranel~*~

[Aethelwine]

Sorry for the very late reply, but I forgot I had posted on this treath.

*snort* Go make love to an orc! I love it!

People at school, beware! *laughs*

Navaer!

Aethelwine.

[Sapphire_Flame]

Actually, in the course of wandering around the Downs, I discovered the real way to say "Go kiss an orc":

Mibo orch (with a circumflex over the "i")

So now you have multipy ways of offending people surrepticiously! Congrats!

Abedithon le,

~*~Aranel~*~

[Aethelwine]

Actually, in the course of wandering around the Downs, I discovered the real way to say "Go kiss an orc":
Mibo orch (with a circumflex over the "i")

So now you have multipy ways of offending people surrepticiously! Congrats!

Abedithon le,

~*~Aranel~*~


Thanks a hole lot! But, now I've come to think about it, let's say, thinking about the people I'm going to say this to, I feel sorry for them. The poor orcs I mean...

Navaer!

Aethelwine.

[Finwe]

Haha! I was going to ask whether we should feel sorry for the people or for the Orcs. Considering the level of stupidity of some of the people at my school, I think that the Orcs would run off screaming in fright.

*gets horrid mental pictures of Uruk-hai engaged in make-out sessions with heavily made up teenage girls in skimpy clothes*

NOOOO!!!! I won't be able to sleep for weeks!!!!

*wails in agony*

[Aethelwine]

Haha! I was going to ask whether we should feel sorry for the people or for the Orcs. Considering the level of stupidity of some of the people at my school, I think that the Orcs would run off screaming in fright.


Exactly!


*gets horrid mental pictures of Uruk-hai engaged in make-out sessions with heavily made up teenage girls in skimpy clothes*


Finwe, did you have to say that? Now I have the same immages in my head!! Oh, it's horrible!, but stil fun. I mean, I can make the most horrible girls at my school make out with Ugluk! Fun, but gros!

Right, that's gonna be a sleepless night...

Navaer!

Aethelwine.

[Finwe]

Well, Aethelwine, I'll tell you what, this might make you feel a little better:

We blindfold both the Uruk-hai and the evil groupie teenage girls, so they don't know who they're kissing. Then, after we've laughed enough, we untie the blindfolds, and treasure the priceless expression of disgust, anger, and then naked fear as the Uruk-hai end up eating all the girls. smilies/biggrin.gif

Oh I am evil! smilies/evil.gif

[Aethelwine]

Yeah! And Finwe, lets tell the girls, while we blindfold them, that they are about to kiss Legolas! Or Orlando as it may be. Maybe Aragorn/Viggo.
That'll make a 'nice' suprise... smilies/evil.gif

I love being evil. Evil is good, good is bad. That's just the way it is... smilies/biggrin.gif smilies/evil.gif

Navaer!

Aethelwine.

[ September 22, 2003: Message edited by: Aethelwine ]

[Sapphire_Flame]

Okay, as amusing as this is (personally, I've seen girls at my school making out with guys that really do look like orcs... smilies/eek.gif ), I really think we need to keep on topic here. I don't want the thread to get closed. Feel free to continue through PMs. smilies/biggrin.gif

Abedithon le, a hebo gladhad!

~*~Aranel~*~

[ September 22, 2003: Message edited by: Sapphire_Flame ]

[Aethelwine]

Ok, sorry Sapphire_Flame, I'll try to stop now.

Here's another insult: 'Lasto al lalaith nín.' It's Sindarin, meaning: 'Listen to my laughter.'
I got it from 'The councel of Elrond', the Language-section (Phrases), so I would think it's good Sindarin...

Use it as you like (against people who are making fun of Tolkien... smilies/wink.gif smilies/evil.gif ).
Sorry if this has been said before.

Navaer!

Aethelwine.

[ September 25, 2003: Message edited by: Aethelwine ]

[The Barrow-Wight]

I continue to not care for threads like this because the Elvish in them is highly suspect. In an effort to make sure we are remaining true to Tolkien, I would like to see each future post contain a reference of where the Elvish came from.

Bottom line - if it's not Tolkien, don't use it.

[Luthien Telryuna]

I am writing a Tolkeinesque fiction involving elves and human and I have been looking for an elvish insult to insinuate that someone is a harlot r prostitute. Does anyone know of one such insult? I really do not wish to just make up a word...

[Estelyn Telcontar]

I'm sorry, Luthien Telryuna, but according to Tolkien's writings (History of Middle-earth, the volume with customs of the Elves) there is no such thing as harlotry or prostitution amongst Elves. I hope someone can give a more exact quote, but I'm away from home and don't have my books with me.

[Morthoron]

Estelyn is correct Luthien, the concept of "harlotry" is simply not an aspect of Elvish life. Here is an excellent primer on Middle-earth practices and taboos:


http://www.ansereg.com/what_tolkien_officially_said_abo.htm

[Pitchwife]

Estelyn is correct Luthien, the concept of "harlotry" is simply not an aspect of Elvish life. Here is an excellent primer on Middle-earth practices and taboos:
... whose author then blithely proceeds to violate every one of them.:D