The Lingering Darkness Planning/Discussion Thread

[piosenniel]

Let me just clarify before I start transferring to the fan fic site. I've transferred as far as post #328.

#329 is a SAVE from Ealasaide. Is that still going to be filled?

~*~ Pio

[Ealasaide]

Okay - my Save for Naiore is in place.

Pio - Yes, I do still plan to use that Save for final posts from that side of the story. I plan to do one from Benia.
Nerindel & Hilde, do you plan to write final posts from Gilly, Dulrain, & Toby?

Again, many apologies for my delay in getting Naiore up there.

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Ealasaide & Pio, at the moment I would veture to say that a short end post for either Gilly or possibly Dulrain, would also go in that save explaining where they are going. So if after Benia's, if it is not mentioned in there, we might need to leave it briefly 'under construction'. Nerindel, I am thinking of that message that you had sent awhile back regarding Dulrain's plans for the hobbits.

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Just a note to say that I have tacked on an extra paragraph to Menecin's last post. It may grow further depending on your post for Naiore Ealasaide. And before I post the next one for Menecin I will definitely be in touch with you. :)

[piosenniel]

OK! :) I'll wait for the earlier SAVE to be filled with all the characters who are going to be written for.

The fanfic site is locked for deleting except by its moderators and I don't like to jam two or more posts into one space - it makes it too hard to read.

~*~ Pio

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Just want to clarify a bit, Pio. We can still put multiple posts in one space on this side of the story, correct? Only when it goes to fanfic it becomes a different matter?

[piosenniel]

Yeah, that's right, Hilde. Multiple posts in a single space here are fine.

:)

~*~ Pio

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Just I wanted to mention that yes we are still alive, but deep in thought.... :D

[piosenniel]

That's me peekin' in at the back, there

Just checking how deep . . . ;)

http://www.usscatastrophe.com/kh/prixdebeaute/k-and-mouse-asleep.gif

:p

~*~ Pio

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

*Nudge* Hey Ealasaide look, the moon is watching...

Now there is a picture! :D Actually, judging by your posting time Pio, you are not far wrong. But never fear, a new day is dawning. And we shall arise go forth and write!

[Ealasaide]

Going forth and writing... right now!

[Ealasaide]

WooHoo!!! Wake up, everyone! I have finally finished (& placed) my long-overdue post for Naiore!

Please no one faint, although I would understand a few double-takes or some disbelieving rubs of the eyes...

Nerindel - please let me know if there is anything in there I need to change. I could not remember what arms Vanwe carries. The only reference I could find to her being armed was in a post as they were leaving Rivendell that mentioned her carrying a small knife. If this is not correct, please let me know & I will make the proper adjustment.

Hilde - I left a save open at the end of my post for Menecin. :)

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Many thanks! And nice job Ealasaide!

[Nerindel]

No everything looks ok, great stuff Eala :)

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Hey Ealasaide, I had refered to Vanwe having a sword in post #312. I was assuming it was Menecin's that he lent to her for that occasion. I don't know if he took it back, it wasn't mentioned. :P Sorry for the confusion.

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Nerindel I see that you are online. Do you want to include a post from Vanwe in this portion?

[Nerindel]

no I'm happy to move on, once Menecin is in place. ;)
I think it is good to show Vanwe's character from the prospective of the others for the moment, so that when the time comes and Vanwe is forced to act, her point of view becomes more predominent(SP?)...well thats the hope anyway :D

[Ealasaide]

Thankee & thankee! :)

Hilde, you said:

I had refered to Vanwe having a sword in post #312. I was assuming it was Menecin's that he lent to her for that occasion. I don't know if he took it back, it wasn't mentioned.

Should I edit in a sword or are we assuming that Menecin took it back? What do I do??

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Ergh! Help, I'm no help! That could have been anybody's sword really Ealasaide, so it could stand well as is, it's just that it will take a little while for me to get used to the idea of Menecin letting his daughter go around relatively unarmed.

[Ealasaide]

Would it help him to rationalize taking his sword back to know that she had had no formal training in the use of a sword? Having had some Kendo training, I can tell you, it does take a good deal of practice to handle a sword well. ;) As I recall, Vanwe has had no formal weapons training.

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

I don't know about Menecin, but it helps me, thanks Ealasaide. :D And I do recall mock fencing someone myself, and having the unfortunate tendency to block blows with my wrist rather than the 'sword'!

Nerindel, I will plan to go ahead with Menecin then.

[Ealasaide]

And I do recall mock fencing someone myself, and having the unfortunate tendency to block blows with my wrist rather than the 'sword'!

Ouch! :eek:

I will leave my post as is, then. Thanks!

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Ealasaide I have emailed you the post for Menecin to follow Naiore's.

I am bringing this forward the outline, and have attempted to add in Nerindel's more recent thoughts. In other words, I think this is how it goes.... :p Please feel free to change it if I haven't got it quite right. Just thought it needed to be updated, and handy. :D
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End game outline

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Dúlrain Et al

1. Dúlrain with the help of Toby and Gilly go after Benia.

2. Dúlrain kills Barrold and they free Benia

3. Dúlrain confesses his love to Benia and she compassionately counsels him not to continue Kaldir's revenge and they all head back to Rivendell.

***WE ARE HERE***

4. end post

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Amandur's group

1. Amandur Et al leave Rivendell, finding Dir and discovering the fates of Kaldir and Rauthain.

2. Léspheria and Naiore sense each other’s presence and a fierce unseen battle ensues.

3. Amandur's group moves to encircle Naiore, using Léspheria as bait to draw out Naiore. Naiore plays along; falsely letting Léspheria believe her plan is working, while going after Menecin and Vanwe.

4. Naiore finds Vanwe and Avanill, killing Avanill.

5. Léspheria realizes Naiore’s intent, and cries out warning, but too late. Naiore has Vanwe and is taunting Menecin.

***WE ARE HERE***

6. Naiore is within bow shot of Léspheria, and Léspheria tries to reason with her.

7. An enraged Menecin attacks Naiore.

8. Vanwe slips from her mother's grasp into the arms of Léspheria & Vanwe's show of pity and compassion stops her father from delivering the deadly blow.

10. Desperate and filled with rage, Naiore turns on Léspheria.

11. Lespheria speaks to Naiore pointing out all that she has lost in persuit of an answer that was within her to begin with, She then turns her back on Naiore.

12. Naiore incensed and blaming Léspheria for Vanwe's pity strikes out at Léspheria.

13. Naiore is killed!

11. End post.

[Ealasaide]

Hilde - Your post is in place. Great stuff! Also, thanks for bringing the outline forward. That will be very helpful.

Nerindel - do you want to expand your post to respond to Hilde's post before I continue with Naiore? Please let me know! :)

[Nerindel]

ok my last post has been edited keeping the boys busy so the ladies might chat ;)

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Ok, I have made a few changes to the outline so that Menecin and Amandur will wrapped up 'discussing' matters, while Lespheria, Naiore & Vanwe carry on their own conversation. If I've got something muddled, please let me know so I can correct it.

Meanwhile, I will put up a save for Menecin, so that I won't hold you guys up.

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

'Work of the enemy' said Gandalf. 'Such deeds he loves: friend at war with friend; loyality divided in the confusion of hearts.'

Return of the King 'The Pyre of Denethor'

Well Menecin is out there, now literally.

If either of you need me to change something please drop me a PM. Nerindel, I hope that Amandur's placement is OK. At first I had him push past Menecin, but I thought that maybe it would be premature.

[Nerindel]

ok the fire of vengance now burns within Léspheria :eek: she needs answers, hopefully those answers will let the more neutral elven healer side of her nature shine through as she trys to reason with Naiore. Ealasaide I will pm you with something I think might help Lespheria see past her hatred.

if anything needs changed please let me know. :D

[Ealasaide]

Looks good, Hilde & Nerindel. I'm working on something. Hopefully, I can finish & put it on the thread in the next day or two. :)

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Nice post Ealasaide!!!

Nerindel, do you need to post in here, or should I go ahead with Menecin? I was planning to cover the attack and Naiore's release of Vanwe in this next one.

[piosenniel]

Let me echo Hilde's sentiments:

Nice post, Ealasaide!

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You've done such a thorough job of getting inside such a twisted character's mind and presenting her so vividly and consistently.

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And kudos to Hilde and Nerindel for how well they've fleshed out their characters. Their complexity is so well presented, they seem almost to be people I might have met or glimpsed along the way.

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Again - thanks for the well written story that keeps unfolding and keeps me checking for the next post!

~*~ Pio http://forum.barrowdowns.com/ubb/icons/icon13.gif

[Ealasaide]

Thankee, Hilde and Pio! ***blushes & bows to the ground*** You are too kind!

And I heartily agree with Pio regarding Hilde and Nerindel. You are doing a great job with your characters and the twists and turns you bring to the plot line! Great stuff. :)

[Nerindel]

Wow great post Eala :D

Hilde I am going to throw up a save not sure if it will be for Lespheria or Vanwe(I think alot will be going through her mind atm that should be shared) or perhaps both not sure yet, but go ahead with Menecin's attack as the posts for either will be regarding the doubts Naiore has given them.

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

You've done such a thorough job of getting inside such a twisted character's mind and presenting her so vividly and consistently!



Exactly! Well put Pio.

Nerindel, I'm running on the assumption that Lespheria will not lower her bow considerably, at least until Vanwe is free. Let me know if you think her arm will get too tired! :D

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Hmm...It is looking like I might be awhile writing Menecin's post, and do apologize. Real life is raining soccerballs, volleyballs and assorted relatives on me. I will try not to be an overly long time about it.

[Ealasaide]

You've done such a thorough job of getting inside such a twisted character's mind and presenting her so vividly and consistently.

Kinda scary, ain't it? :p But I do thank you. :D

Hilde - regarding your slow post - no problem! Will be looking forward to it whenever it arrives.

[piosenniel]

~*~ NOTICE ~*~

Let it be known that

Fordim Hedgethistle

known to those in the Shire as Master Hearpwine, and etc . . .
has now had his name engraved on the iron plaque that bears the list of the story-tellers of Gondor.

Huzzah!

Let all come to The Inn of the Seventh Star (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?p=413867#post413867) in Minas Tirith and raise a glass of cheer to Fordim.

** And for those wondering, drink and food are free on this occasion. And all are most welcome **

~*~ http://forum.barrowdowns.com/ubb/icons/icon13.gif ~*~

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Seriously, everyone is welcome to come to the Inn in Gondor, in whatever character you'd like.

Give a word of congrats to Fordim and knock back a drink or two. I'm there, playing darts . . . challenge, anyone? . . . :cool: ;)

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Ok, I have finally gotten that post for Menecin on the thread. So I guess we are in the mist of number 8 on the outline. Pease note that Menecin has been hit by Avanill's dart, and becoming increasingly passive will no longer present a problem to our heroes. :) Avanill has been true to his word, the arrow was not doused with a fatal poison (as Naiore might believe), but something that renders the subject relatively harmless.

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End game outline

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Dúlrain Et al

1. Dúlrain with the help of Toby and Gilly go after Benia.

2. Dúlrain kills Barrold and they free Benia

3. Dúlrain confesses his love to Benia and she compassionately counsels him not to continue Kaldir's revenge and they all head back to Rivendell.

***WE ARE HERE***

4. end post

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Amandur's group

1. Amandur Et al leave Rivendell, finding Dir and discovering the fates of Kaldir and Rauthain.

2. Léspheria and Naiore sense each other’s presence and a fierce unseen battle ensues.

3. Amandur's group moves to encircle Naiore, using Léspheria as bait to draw out Naiore. Naiore plays along; falsely letting Léspheria believe her plan is working, while going after Menecin and Vanwe.

4. Naiore finds Vanwe and Avanill, killing Avanill.

5. Léspheria realizes Naiore’s intent, and cries out warning, but too late. Naiore has Vanwe and is taunting Menecin.

6. Naiore is within bow shot of Léspheria, and Léspheria tries to reason with her.

7. An enraged Menecin attacks Naiore.

***WE ARE HERE***

8. Vanwe slips from her mother's grasp into the arms of Léspheria & Vanwe's show of pity and compassion stops her father from delivering the deadly blow.

10. Desperate and filled with rage, Naiore turns on Léspheria.

11. Lespheria speaks to Naiore pointing out all that she has lost in persuit of an answer that was within her to begin with, She then turns her back on Naiore.

12. Naiore incensed and blaming Léspheria for Vanwe's pity strikes out at Léspheria.

13. Naiore is killed!

11. End post.


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[Ealasaide]

Well done, Hilde!

Nerindel - how are you coming on filling your save? Also, I was wondering if you would like to get a post in there, reacting to Menecin, before I pick up again with Naiore. (Actually, I'm hoping you post in both spots before I come back with Naiore - it would make my job so much easier knowing what your characters are up to! :) )

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Thanks much, Ealasaide.

I just wanted to make a note here that I have changed the last paragraph of the post for Menecin, as I can't see him using a sword to pop those strings! He has now used the bodkin. (What ever was I thinking?!)

[Ealasaide]

AHA! I knew there was a reason I was waiting before printing out a copy. :)

Thanks for the notification!

[Ealasaide]

Hilde - your revisions for Menecin's post in #335 have been placed. :)

Pio - Hilde has made some changes to her post for Menecin in the second half of Post #335. If that post has already been transferred over to the Fan Fic site, I guess the revisions need to be transferred now, too. Thanks! :)

Nerindel - it was good to get your PM - looking forward to your post! :)

[piosenniel]

Actually - I haven't transferred anything in a long while. I'm waiting to see how post space #329 will be filled in first.

~*~ Pio http://teachers.emints.org/FY04/hayd/Images/girl2.gif

[Ealasaide]

Okay! :) Then everything is lovely.

BTW - we haven't forgotten about #329. Hopefully, we will get that filled before too much longer! :D

[Nerindel]

Okie dookie I have added Vanwe's post to save #340 and will add Léspheria's just as soon as it is finished hopefully tomorrow or at the very least by the weekend then I will have Vanwe act as the outline suggests. (8. Vanwe slips from her mother's grasp into the arms of Léspheria & Vanwe's show of pity and compassion stops her father from delivering the deadly blow.)


You will remember that in earlier planning I suggested that it would be Lespheria who revealled to Naiore the answer she saught, well I have since had a change of heart and think it only fitting that it should be Vanwe. She will glean the knowledge from Léspheria which you will see in my next post.

Eala, Hilde if you see a problem with this change please let me know.

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

...she was a healer and healing was what was needed.

Nice, Nerindel! Yea Vanwe. You go girl, see past all the smoke and mirrors!

Pio? Is that you writing with a feathered pen? For some reason I thought you had blue spikey hair...hmm....

[piosenniel]

http://www.dreamstation.cc/pso/images/members/pso_dark_angel.jpg Like this!

That was just me in a brown wig, above, passing for normal! :)

~*~ Pio ;)

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Alright then! I was beginning to worry....

All is well with the world. :)

[Ealasaide]

Nice post, Nerindel! :) I will wait to see what Lespheria does before I proceed with my post for Naiore.

[Nerindel]

Yay at last I finally found time to finish Léspheria's post, if its not one thing it's another :rolleyes:

[Ealasaide]

Yay! Looks like I am up! :)

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Hey Nerindel? Are you planning on posting again after Ealasaide?

[Ealasaide]

Should I put a Save up there for Naiore?

[Nerindel]

Yes I am planning to post for Vanwe, but I need to see what Eala does with Naiore first.

I will also need to know from both of you exactly what frame of mind both your characters are in prior to Vanwes intervention and what you percieve as their greatest fears. I was going on the assumption that Menecin's has to do with naiore...that he helped create the monster she became or perhaps that she never really loved him and only used him for the knowledge he could provide or is there something deeper? As for Naiore I was assuming that it would have something to do with the answer she seeks....is her flaw that she has no fear or that she merely doesn't recognise it in herself? It will be important for my next post that I know these thing as with lespheria I plan to have Vanwe force them both to face their fears and reveal the truth about themselves and the choices they have made in their lives, so that she might show pity for them both.

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Yes, Menecin’s greatest fear has to do with Naiore, but it immaterial to him at this desperate point whether or not she had ever loved him in return. Rather he is feeling the full weight of responsibility for her. In those early days he saw her keen mind and judgment of character and so had encouraged her, believing that she might rise to be something more benevolent that what she has ultimately became.

In his eyes he feels that he chose to turn his back on the truth and now views his own love for her as major weakness that has had resulted in the horrendous suffering of others. Seeing this ‘bigger picture’ he is laboring to cut off that love from his consciousness the best he can, (even though those early days with Naiore are still very fresh in his mind), so that he can end this permanently.

I suppose his greatest fear is that he will be unable to, or be prevented from carrying out what he sees as necessary, and that Naiore will continue to grow even more degraded and debased from his memory of her. He is troubled by his oath, but no longer feels he is of value since he has failed at every point. And his last hope of taking her east he has finally realized is not possible or practical. So he has resolved to sacrifice himself and her, in order to set things right again.

Don’t forget though, that he has also vowed to Vanwe that he would not lose her, and that might be a way to reach him.

I don’t know if this helps. I hope it does, and that it doesn’t make things more difficult for you. There is nothing deeper going on, unless you have a suggestion. In which case I'm all ears. :D (And teeth apparently too!)

[Ealasaide]

My view of Naiore is that her fascination with the origins of Fear arises from the fact that she does not feel Fear and, therefore, seeks to understand what it is and where it comes from. The closest thing she feels to fear would be the cool clarity of determination that hits her when things are going badly for her and she finds herself in a threatened position. She would not get the adrenaline rush of the Fight or Flight Reaction like normal individuals might. She would continue to be calm and even-headed, maybe a little angry or frustrated that things weren't going as she had planned, but completely unafraid.

It is an interesting idea, but I don't think that there would be any fear there for Vanwe to show her. Naiore is a powerful and stubborn individual and would not be terribly vulnerable to another individual, even Vanwe, attempting to point out her flaws. Actually, I think it would just make her angry. (Remember, Naiore had regular interactions with Sauron himself, who is not exactly a suitable companion for the weak of will.) Her ego is such that the pity of her kinswomen would enrage her, though, and would prompt her to lash out at them.

I take it, then, that I should not have Naiore lash out just yet?

[piosenniel]

http://hawkesbaykartclub.org.nz/reading.gif

Read-along fan here . . .

The picture that's formed for me of Naiore is of someone who is empty of fear. Fear or the ability to fear isn't suppressed in her - it's missing; a blank space.

I've wondered all along how that happened to her . . . or was it always part of her make-up . . . And if the latter were so, did that fuel her sadistic streak even more?

A person who has never experienced fear, I would think, would also have no basis for empathy, sympathy, compassion for others . . . or real love.

If she were always this way, without the ability to fear, was she at first simply curious about the fear she saw in others? Did she at first grow jealous and or hateful of those who could experience the range of fear emotions? Did she invert her jealousy and begin to see those others then as inferior to herself because of their fears? And seeing herself as superior to them, learn early to use their fears to control/manipulate them?

I've always wondered if, when she was younger, she tried to 'fit in' - and being a keen observer of others, was able to put on a reasonable show of positive emotions. But since her time with Sauron she's thrown off all pretense of such and simply opted for the power her own lack of fear and her ability to ferret out where another's fear lies brings.

Or maybe she would have naturally evolved into such a creature as she is at present.

She creeps me out . . . reminds me of those true sociopaths (in modern parlance) that I've had the misfortune to encounter in my nursing career . . .

[Ealasaide]

Right-o, Pio! That's precisely how I see her. You hit the nail (the Naiore?) on the head, so to speak. I think her association with Sauron merely served to distill the socio-pathological tendencies she would have developed on her own over time.

If she were always this way, without the ability to fear, was she at first simply curious about the fear she saw in others?
I would think so. Like with serial killers, the more she indulged her curiosity about her obsession, the more it grew.

Did she at first grow jealous and or hateful of those who could experience the range of fear emotions?
Interesting question! Elora, who originated this character has this to say about Naiore's early childhood:
Naiore was both fascinated and slightly repulsed by other people. She sought few friends and had little regard for the opinions of others....She became fascinated with impulses that many refused to acknowledge existed within themselves... The forbidden nature of her inquiry seduced her further... She became more isolated, and developed contempt for the apparent foolishness of her parents and kin.
...War was bewing over the sea, and Naiore could sense a power growing. It tempted her. Proud and contemptuous of her own kindred, Naiore sensed that many of her forbidden questions could be answered...

Did she invert her jealousy and begin to see those others then as inferior to herself because of their fears?
I don't know that jealousy was ever a factor, but Elora mentions again and again Naiore's contempt for her kinsfolk and her fascination for the darker elements of life, with a particular interest in the arenas of pain and fear. I think there was a definite belief in her own fundamental superiority over others.

And seeing herself as superior to them, learn early to use their fears to control/manipulate them?
Oh, yes. Absolutely.

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

I know I'm out in the left field here, but Ealasaide do you suppose Naiore craves power/control, or feels entitled to it? I would think that if she did, she might find her style worked in Sauron's realm, where it was probably suspect among the elves, viewing her lack of compassion etc. In a way she was more accepted and valued there in Mordor. But would that have been a factor in reinforcing her behavior? Is any part of her self worth tied to those successes?

[Ealasaide]

Hilde - yes, absolutely, in that she both craves power and feels entitled to it.

More from Elora:
When Sauron returns to Middle Earth, Naiore is waiting for him. As Menecin and her people sought her, Naiore found herself in a new place. She was both welcomed and mistrusted. ... Her talents were encouraged and grown. ...Her kindred saw her and recoiled at what she had become.

Concerning Naiore after the fall of Sauron, Elora adds:

The fall of Sauron brought Naiore's career to a sudden end. .... She had no answers still and the prospects of ever finding them were remote. ... Bereft of ambition, and having sacrificed everything for a knowledge she did not have, Naiore is faced with a crisis. She had been waiting for the day when Sauron would have dominion over the lands. Revenge on those who had taken her future from her galvanized her into action...

With that in mind, I think Naiore put great value on her successes under Sauron and harbors great bitterness at the ultimate failure of Mordor to dominate Middle Earth. Regardless of her mocking of those who seek revenge in her last post, revenge against those who made her fail and who still seek to destroy her is her chief motivation. (How dare these inferior creatures attempt to thwart me!) As an individual without empathy or conscience where others are concerned, she will use and discard others without remorse. While she generally will not lie outright, she will mislead by manipulation and twisting the truth, i.e. the way she used the motivation of revenge against Lespheria while all the while it is the strongest driving force within herself. She is a master at self-serving rationalization.

Because of her excessive pride and sense of inate superiority, I don't think that her bitterness could be turned against her in any positive way. It seems to me that any attempt to do so would just annoy her.

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

So do you think that any attempt to reach her could make use of her pride, sense of superiority and twisted rationalization as a way to get her attention? Just curious.

[Ealasaide]

Sure - all would get her attention. I just don't know that she would necessarily be capable of reaching any kind of cartharsis.

[Nerindel]

Wonderful, Great stuff, *phew* for a horrible moment there I thought I had been reading Naiore's Character Totally wrong, but her absence of fear is exactly what I had planned for Vanwe to discover. Pio summed up here more or less exactly what Vanwe would come to realise and pity about her mother:

A person who has never experienced fear, I would think, would also have no basis for empathy, sympathy, compassion for others . . . or real love.

In essence realising that Naiore could never be anything than what she is, never the mother she longed for. The wrongness she sensed in Léspheria was similiar to the wrongness she senses in her mother but not the same as she believes at the moment, as Léspheria's fears were merely supressed where as Naiores are absent all together. As for Menecin she percieved that rather than surpressing his fears he is in fact driven by them. ie Hildes quote:

Rather he is feeling the full weight of responsibility for her.

Vanwe's need would be to show him that the responsibilty was never his to carry That as he had once told her the flaw was Naiores and it was her choice to follow the path she did. She will also feel sorrow for him as she comes to realise that Naiore was never capible of ever truely loving him as he did her.

While Vanwe will come to the realisation that her mother is beyond saving/healing she will still be ruled by her own sense of compassion and not wish to harm Naiore even if it is the only way to truely save her from herself!

[Ealasaide]

Sounds great, Nerindel! I'm glad we are all on the same page here. Sorry if I threw you somewhere. I thought I was being fairly clear.

I am thinking, though, that maybe you should post again before I try to do anything with Naiore. Right now, Menecin has got Naiore in a hold with his dagger against her side. Vanwe has already escaped to Lespheria's side.

The outline says:
8. Vanwe slips from her mother's grasp into the arms of Léspheria & Vanwe's show of pity and compassion stops her father from delivering the deadly blow.

10. Desperate and filled with rage, Naiore turns on Léspheria.

11. Lespheria speaks to Naiore pointing out all that she has lost in pursuit of an answer that was within her to begin with, She then turns her back on Naiore.

12. Naiore incensed and blaming Léspheria for Vanwe's pity strikes out at Léspheria.

13. Naiore is killed!

Either I can have Naiore get herself out of this or you need to have Vanwe act here. If I am going to stick with the outline, I really don't have much else I can do until your characters take further action.

[Nerindel]

Actually I was just rereading Hilde's post and thinking the samething, Vanwe needs to act here. I will get on it asap so you can get back to Naiore ;)

[Nerindel]

ok Eala your up ;)

I changed the ending to that post at least half a dozen times and I'm still sure I have missed something, so if you see anything that needs changed or added please let me know.

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Wow Nerindel, you have been busy! Nice!

[Snowdog]

Wow! You all are still writing this years later? :p

Elora and I have taken this story outline and co-authored a book.

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Which outline, the original RPGs? If so, I'm thinking that it is a bit different from what is set down here.

Have you changed the names of our original characters then?

[Ealasaide]

Hi, Hilde & Nerindel - just dropping in on the thread to let you know that I do have a post from Naiore in the works. December is a rough time for me to find writing time as I am in the retail biz. It is both our busiest business season and the end of our fiscal year, so I am snowed under at the moment. I will post as soon as I can. :)

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

I am snowed under at the moment.

So am I, quite literally.

I'll be looking forward to seeing Naiore's response to the current events. :D

[Snowdog]

Yeah, the original layout of this RPS is the same as your RPG.
Elora and my character names are the same. All else is quite different.

One of the reasons I left this RPG other than some personal issues that was happening at the time was the fact there was a strict time limit imposed on its completion and I wouldn't have been able to get back to it in a reasonable amount of time to have much to do. I see that wasn't the case as its still going on 2½ years later.

Anyway, its good to see you all! :cool:

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

I see that wasn't the case as its still going on 2½ years later.

It is amazing how life goes on in those intervening years! And it is strange that the time frame of this story is so short in comparison! Actually, Pio has been more than tolerent of our RL interuptions, and for that I am very greatful.

[Ealasaide]

Hi, everybody... sorry I have been holding things up so long this time. I plan to have something to post as soon as I get through Christmas. I'll do my best to get it placed on the thread before New Year's. Sorry for the delay! I'm still out there... more or less... It's going to be a hard post & I wanted to be sure to do it right & not with only half of a brain functioning in ME, while the other half is dealing with RL bookkeeping chores, etc.

We can't very well have Naiore musing about inventory and accounting concerns... :eek: :p haha

[piosenniel]

Well - that could be the answer to 'Where does fear lie . . .'

:) :p

[piosenniel]

~*~ Announcement ~*~

You are all invited to post in The Yule Log (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=12478) in Rohan. Just read Bêthberry’s introductory post and join in at The Green Man Free House for the next few weeks.

Come share a story of ghosties, and ghoulies, and sharp toothed goblins for the days of the Winter’s Yule while the fire burns bright and warm and the drink flows freely.


~*~ Pio

[Ealasaide]

Hey - Sorry I missed my New Year's deadline. Oops! Just checking in to let you know that I am working on my post. I should have it done sometime in the next couple of days. Sorry for the LOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNGGGGGG delay!

[piosenniel]

Hello! Just letting you know your reader has settled into a comfortable chair with a cup of good coffee . . .

:)

~*~ Pio

Take your time . . . get your RL sorted first . . .

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Enjoy! :D

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Nerindel? Pio? Just wanted to drop a note to say that Ealasaide has not forgotten us, and has asked me to let you know that she is both "alive and kicking".

I will keep fingers crossed for the appearance of a post in the near future. :)

[piosenniel]

http://www.asifa-hollywood.org/hello/603205/50/scrat-2005.03.12-16.43.03.jpg

OK!

[Ealasaide]

IT'S ALIVE! I mean, I'm alive... :p

Naiore's post is up! Very, very, very sorry for the extended absence....lots of business and personal problems. Hopefully, I'm somewhat sorted out now for awhile. :)

Nerindel, looks like you're on!

[piosenniel]

http://www.calligraphypets.com/cats-r/thumbs/eros.gif


More please . . .


~*~

Welcome back, Ea! :smokin:

[Ealasaide]

Thanks! :D It's good to be back!

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Happiness! :) Yes, it is very nice having you back with us again Ealasaide!

[Nerindel]

Wow what a come back! great post Eala! ;)

I've kinda managed to get roped into some decorating this weekend :eek: but I will try to fit a post in somewhere, hopefully before Tuesday, as from wednesday I'll be away doing training for 3 days.

great to have you back Eala. :D

[Ealasaide]

Thankee, thankee! :)

I'll be looking forward to your post, Nerindel. You had mentioned a surprise you had in mind earlier, so I am very curious to see what happens next!

[piosenniel]

Nerindel

Will you be posting soon?

[Ealasaide]

Speaking for myself, I have a post in the works that will close out the Benia/Gilly/Dulrain/Toby group and bring them back to Rivendell for the final posts from that group. I will try to have it finished by the end of the week.

[Nerindel]

hey ho a sad day my friends Naiore Dannan the great Ravenor of Mordor is dead! And at the hand of a mere mortal no less :P

Hilde do you want to post something for Menecin before I post for Léspheria and move us on to Rivendell for the final posts?

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Yes Nerindel, I would like to place a post for Menecin in at this point. Shall I put in a save for it? (And happy belated birthday! I had tried to send you a note, but your PMs were overflowing.)

Nice thought to have the deed done in defense, by the way. I was wondering how you all were going to work it out.

[Ealasaide]

Excellent post, Nerindel! You handled Naiore's demise very, very well. She went down fighting. Great stuff!

I should have the very long-awaited transition post for the other group up this morning, then we can look at clsoing posts & wrap this story up.

Can ya believe it? :)

[Ealasaide]

Well, gang, my Benia post has been placed. #329, for those of you keeping score. ;)

Unless something happens in Rivendell that I feel obliged to comment upon, I do believe that is my final post for this story. I can't think of anything else to add from Benia's point of view. :)

[piosenniel]

Are there any other posts going into #329 . . . or is it ok to start transferring posts again to the Fan-fic page?

~*~ Pio

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

That is it for #329, thanks Pio, transfer away.

[Ealasaide]

Yes, that should take care of Post #329. Please transfer away. Thanks!

[Ealasaide]

Pio - If you are waiting for Nerindel to respond regarding post #329, please be aware that you do not need to wait. I have already touched base with her via PM & everyone has agreed that one post from Benia's POV would serve as a transition to move the entire group back toward Rivendell. Closing posts from Gilly, Dulrain, & Toby will be done from there at the end of the LD thread.

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Just checking in to say that the post for Menecin is well underway and I hope to finish it up relatively soon, (if I don't get caught in a mental whirlpool that is!).

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Menecin's post is now on the thread. Nerindel, I hope that you don't have objections to my having had Vanwe return Menecin's knife to him in the middle of things. I don't know if Naiore would have slipped from him too soon with out the threat of it.

How would an elf feel about death of another? Somehow, it doesn't seem as though it would feel as final as for a mortal. With that thought, I wrote this post from the viewpoint of Menecin seeing it as a long separation of sorts from Naiore rather than something entirely final. At anyrate, I don't believe that he or Vanwe realize that Amandur has been hurt.

[Ealasaide]

A difficult post to write. Well done, Hilde!

[Snowdog]

Well done folks! :)

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Just wanted to post a note here to say that yes I am trying to work up something, though it is coming along rather slowly, and looking like it might grow to a long installment.

[piosenniel]

We are patient, my precioussss . . . yessss, yessss . . . we waitssss and we wonderssss, my preciousssss . . .


;)

~*~ Pio

[Ealasaide]

Looking forward to it, Hilde!

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Well, I have put something out there, shorter than I had thought and not quite what I had expected, but I hope it will do. Sort of as if Eeyore were describing events. *eek*

Ealasaide, I hope that it is OK if I do an end post for Gilly next, which will bring both groups together again. I have put up a save in the meanwhile. Hopefully I won't be so long about it this time. I had a raging case of over analysis going there for awhile!

After that one post from you might sow things up, unless we find too many loose ends.

[piosenniel]

. . . cup of cofee & http://www.agferrari.com/images/recipes/cannoli.jpg a plate of cannoli . . .

. . .settling in to read . . . *nod, nod*

[Ealasaide]

Yay! A post! A post! WHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!! heehee

Seriously, though, I'll hop right over and give your post a read. I'm sure it is perfectly lovely. :)

So, I will wait, then, for your Gilly post before getting on with the End Post. I'm glad that you have one more to do before I'm up because your timing just happened to land right in the middle of mid-terms! :eek:

(...it feels so bizarre to be back in school again after all these years...)

[piosenniel]

Happy Birthday, Hilde!

http://www.barking-dagenham.gov.uk/2-news-events/images/liv-cake-face-kid.jpg

and many more happy returns of the day!!

:D


~*~ Pio http://forum.barrowdowns.com/ubb/icons/icon13.gif

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

What a fantastic picture! Thanks, Pio.

(I here I thought I was in for a scolding. I do have a half finished post for Gilly by the way, but keep getting caught up in a certain other game. :D)

[Ealasaide]

Hey, gang!

What do you say we wrap this puppy up? One more post from each of us would do the trick.

Hilde: your long-awaited Gilly post
Nerindel: a closing post for all or any of your bunch?
Eala: General End post

Let's finish. We are so very, very, very close! :D

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

I agree, Ealasaide, and thanks for your patience. I've set a goal to have it done by the end of the year, only I'm sorry that this post is holding you up. I've been lagging on all fronts these days. :eek:

[Ealasaide]

No problem, Hilde! :) But I do agree: let's make it our official goal to wrap this up before New Year's. Sound good?

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

It doesn't leave you much time though!

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

OK, the final installment for Gilly is up on the thread. Sniff, I'm going to miss the old girl!

[Ealasaide]

Cheers to Gilly's final post!

Nerindel ? Are you out there? We would all ~*LOVE*~ to see a final post from your bunch.

I may do one last post for Benia, before the final general closing post for the story. (I'll have to see how inspired I am feeling. ;)) And then we shall be finished!

[Ealasaide]

Oh, dear. Looks like I missed that New Year's deadline by a LOOONNNGGG shot. I do have something in the works, though, & have not fallen off the radar screen.

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Oh, I claim full responsiblity for making you miss the deadline, Eala. It wasn't fair of me to leave you a scant 4 days in which to wrap this up! And I was beginning to think I would never post, as it seems like we're ushering out an era, (not to mention a passel of characters), that I'm rather fond of.

Still...I will await your post with bated (and not baited) breath. <*)))><|

[piosenniel]

Well now, all is not lost as far as deadlines......

2/18/2007 - the Chinese New Year day.

;)

~*~ Pio

[Nerindel]

Hi everyone,

Just checking in ;) I know it's been a while, but I come bearing gifts.... I have made edits to Lespheria's post #340 (the second last paragraph) I was never quite happy with it hence the edit. :p I have also added a post for Lespheria in #344 (between Amandur's and Vanwe's) I may add to this post or I may just give Les and Amandur another post of their own. hmmm ponders! I also hope to do a final post for the pair bringing them to Rivendell, but if Eala get her final post in first thats ok, don't wait for me.

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Note to myself: Edits done on fan-fic forum ~*~ Pio

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Oh how wonderful, Nerindel! So nice to see more of Lespheria's side of this story, as it was sorely missed by this hobbit. I do hope that you might come up with another for L & A, as I do so wonder what is in their minds' now, and it would be nice to round out that side of things. If not before Eala's post, then maybe you could tuck something in before the last move to the fanfic page. :) One can always hope :) .

[Ealasaide]

Nerindel! how good to hear from you!!!!!

Part of my mental block in constructing my post was in wondering how to handle Lespheria and Amandur. I do hope you can place one more post from them at the end of the thread and give me a hook to swing off of! Hilde left me a good good sense of direction where Gilly is concerned. I'd love it if you could do the same for your characters. (PLEASE! :D )

[Ealasaide]

Okay, kids.... I know I've said this before but this time I'm serious:
TIME TO WRAP THIS BABY UP!
I plan to have something up on the thread in the way of a final post by Friday. I had been waiting and waiting and waiting for Nerindel to post but I guess that is not going to happen. I have a little time this week, so here goes! :)

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Hi Eala! Nice to see you checking in. :)

[Ealasaide]

I love deadlines. They make such a nice whooshing sound as they fly by. (Douglas Adams)

But seriously, no worries. While it doesn't look like I will make my Friday deadline, I should have something to show for my efforts in the next day or so. I got so caught up in re-reading the story that I lost track of time and spent more time reading than writing. I do have something from Benia in the works that will be followed by the famous general closing post. The second post should be fairly brief.

In the words of the Terminator... I'LL BE BACK. :)

[Ealasaide]

Okey-dokey... my save has been filled. If anyone has anything to add, please put up a save so that I know to wait. Otherwise, I am setting to work on the final post. I hope to get it in place sometime this week. !?!!! ;)

[piosenniel]

Are we leaving the ending as is? Or is there a final wrap-up?

~*~ Pio

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

There will be a final wrap up, Pio. And please accept my apologies for the thread looking rather dormant (dead's closer, I should think!). Z bees are busy, but they remember, and consider, and wait for an unsuspecting chunk of time to wend it's way hither!

[Ealasaide]

Yes, sorry for the insanely long silence. I had been planning to write the closing post but ran into problems with what to do with the elves. Since Hilde is stronger on Elven history/culture, I asked her to do it instead. Thanks for your incredible patience!!!!

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Well this last post doesn't look like it will be terribly short. I seem to have gotten horribly long winded over the course of this RPG! At any rate, it seems to be falling into two sizable chunks the first of which I hazard to say is nearly done, and the second of which is sketched out but needs filling in and a lot of polishing.

Thanks for your continued and remarkable patience. :)

[piosenniel]

Go, team, go!!

http://dl10.glitter-graphics.net/pub/426/426860s3ias65c76.gif (http://www.glitter-graphics.com)

~*~ Pio
http://dl.glitter-graphics.net/pub/529/529581v0wkv3tmxo.gif (http://www.glitter-graphics.com)

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Just checking in again, to let you know that things are still in the works. I'm currently waiting for Eala's response on the first portion, to see if I'm going in the right direction. And the second portion I have laboring with combining two drafts before sewing it up with what isn't on paper yet.

This whole process has made me marvel at how quickly Elora came up with the first post! :eek:

Hope that you both had a good Thanksgiving!

[piosenniel]

http://dl3.glitter-graphics.net/pub/221/221723ypakpg92zq.gif (http://www.glitter-graphics.com) I had a great Thanksgiving! Good food, good friends and family. I hope yours was the same.


http://dl2.glitter-graphics.net/pub/747/747112doa0g7h8px.gif (http://www.glitter-graphics.com) Take your time Miz Hilde. & get it just the way you want it!!

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Thanks Pio!

Very glad to hear that you enjoyed your holiday. And thanks for asking, ours was nice as well. It was topped off with the best sort of pictureque snow! :D

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Alright. Part 1 of the final post is up, and Part 2 I am determined to have up before the end of the year! :D Quite funny as I seem to have said something similar last year about a post!

[piosenniel]

Have mercy! How I do love Miz Gilly!!!

That first part of your post was a peach of an offering, Hilde. I look forward to the last with both high anticipation & regret for the fact that the story will have come to an end.

What lovely, lovely story-weavers you both are!!!!!

Your humble fan,

~*~ Pio

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

So much for determination! Honestly, I DO intend to wrap this up, I promise. Just when exactly remains the question. I've got this long end bit written, but still need to find the end of the end (and do some heavy pruning of the schmaltz that is creeping in)! Unfortunately, I have some major stuff going on that is consuming all my "playtime" and brain cells. I hope to put that particular business behind me in the next week or two, and will then have more time at my disposal. Happiness!

Do not lose hope, the end is near. :p

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Hurrah! Hurrah! The promised post is up. And that should wind it up, unless Nerindel stops by to let us know what becomes of Amandur and Lespheria's situation. Something I would love to know, but suppose can be added in on the Fanfic side.

Thanks again to everybody, for making this such an interesting story to work on, and to Pio for her enduring patience throughout! It has been a pleasure working with everyone.

[Ealasaide]

Great closing posts, Hilde! I knew you would do a wonderful job of it.

It was pleasure working on LD! Hopefully, though, the next one won't run quite so long, eh? ;) I will miss all of these characters very much -- they feel almost like old friends.

Thanks, Pio, for your incredible patience and enthusiasm. :)

[Hilde Bracegirdle]

Thanks very much, Eala. And do hope that in the next year or so things lighten up go that we can write together again. Perhaps a reunion story? :D Gilly becomes a hobbit bounty hunter and Carl enlists Benia's aid to reform her friend? Eh...well...hmm. :p

But I was wondering, Pio.... Since the front page of barrowdowns.com leads to the forums now, I'm not sure how to get to the Fan Fiction area anymore. Is it still around...somewhere?

[piosenniel]

http://dl3.glitter-graphics.net/pub/950/950603iwwnb0fus0.gif

In a way, I'm so sorry to see this tale draw to an end. :( On the other hand, what a glorious read it's been!!!! I really do hope you two might decide to honor us with another tale at some time.

~*~ Pio
http://dl7.glitter-graphics.net/pub/436/436227peh2tec0ns.gif

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By the way - I tried the links I have for the Fan Fic site but they won't work. So, I PM'd BW & will let you know what he has to say.

[Ealasaide]

hee-hee ...Gilly becomes a bounty hunter... I love it! :p

And, again, thanks very much, Pio!!!

I hope to finish school (someday) and start writing again. I miss this place and would love to get going with another good tale! Oh, well. Hopefully that won't be too far down the road. :)

[piosenniel]

The errand rider from Gondor dismounted quickly and strode purposefully into the thread. He unfurled a parchment and nailed it to one of the walls:

***

Come one, come all, you denizens here and in far lands!!
All those who enjoy the reading of a good tale and the playing out of one.

A new name has been added to the list of storytellers in Gondor:

~*~ littlemanpoet ~*~

Come and give your congratulations to this wonderful wordsmith!

~*~ Free drinks/ free food/ & plenty of good company ~*~

***

Come to The Seventh Star (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=5666) Inn in Gondor and lift a glass to littlemanpoet.!!!

[piosenniel]

Sending this thread to Elvenhome.

Both the Discussion Thread and the Game Thread may be resurrected by PM'ing the Elvenhome Moderator.

~*~ Pio