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Pallando B.C
10-29-2002, 04:33 AM
Does it seem fair that the Noldor go to the Halls of Mandos, when they were the ones actually acting when the Two Trees were destroyed. The Vanyar endured no hardship and yet recieved everlasting bliss on Valinor. The Noldor, in this young opinion, should be reborn and rewarded for their hardships. It also seems unfair for the likes of Gil-galad are punished for the wrong doings of Feanor and his house.
Selmo
10-29-2002, 04:48 AM
The spirits of all Elves who died would stay in the Halls of Mandos for a period of time before being re-embodied.
Most would eventually be re-embodied, though I suppose Feanor's stay in Mandos would be very long, giving him plenty of time to reflect on his actions.
Alatar_69
10-29-2002, 04:49 AM
I agree with u on that Pallando as we have discussed it in private before. I have a query though who thinks Frodo and the rest of the ring bearers actually made it to Valinor considering it says in the Silmarillion that "In Araman the Blessed Realm was shut against the Noldor and of the many messengers that in after days sailed into the west none came ever to Valinor."???
HerenIstarion
10-29-2002, 05:13 AM
Pallando B.C. - Concerning Halls of Mandos:
HoME XII, Late Writings
Elves were destined to be 'immortal', that is not to die within the unknown limits decreed by the One, which at the most could be until the end of the life
of the Earth as a habitable realm. Their death - by any injury to their bodies so severe that it could not be healed - and the disembodiment of their spirits was an 'unnatural'and grievous matter. It was therefore the duty of the Valar [emphasis mine - H-I], by command of the One, to restore them to incarnate life, if they desired it. But this 'restoration' could be delayed by Manwe, if the fea while alive had done evil deeds and refused to repent of them, or
still harboured any malice against any other person among the living.
as for the ban you mention, Alatar_69, it was cancelled after Earendil's, so yes, Frodo & Co reached Aman alright
HerenIstarion
10-29-2002, 05:14 AM
BTW, most worm welcome to the downs, both of you smilies/smile.gif
Galorme
10-29-2002, 02:52 PM
I suppose Feanor's stay in Mandos would be very long
Yeah it was very long, as in he never got out and he eventually died there, or will depending on how you look at it.
Matthew2754
10-29-2002, 03:09 PM
I somehow doubt that Frodo was turned away from Aman when he was the defeater of Sauron. Perhaps this would mean nothing to the Valar as it seems all events do in ME in the Third Age. But i think that if Gandalf, a Maia vouched for him, he would have been admitted. Also, the elves had been leaving for years from the Grey Havens, so I don't see why they would turn them away.
lathspell
10-29-2002, 03:23 PM
Frodo, Bilbo, Sam, Gimli and Legolas did not go to Aman. They went to Tol Eressea. The Lonely Isle within sight of the shores of Aman. Except Earendil and Elwing no mortal would set foot on the Blessed Realm.
greetings,
lathspell
HerenIstarion
10-30-2002, 12:33 AM
Quite right, lathspell, my typing of Aman above was accidental.
Afrodal Fenyar
10-30-2002, 07:28 AM
Actually they went to Undying Lands, or Aman, but not to Valinor. They went to Tól Eressea, as lathspell said. But the Lonely Isle was counted to Aman, I think? Not sure though..
And anyways, not very useful post. If somebody's from Finland, what's "pilkunviilaus" or "hiusten halkominen" in english? (For I don't think it's "hair-cutting"..)
[ October 30, 2002: Message edited by: Afrodal Fenyar ]
HerenIstarion
10-30-2002, 08:03 AM
it may be put that way too.
bombur is from Finland. AFAIK he's not accepting PMs, so try finding his recent posts (to make sure he will see the query. I remember him posting here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=8&t=000025&p=3)
it was some time ago, so click his profile there to view his recent posts.
And, finally. most warm welcome to the Downs smilies/smile.gif
lindil
10-30-2002, 03:30 PM
The phrase in english is 'hair-splitting' or more commonly 'splitting hairs'.
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