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Thingol
01-14-2002, 07:48 PM
I vaugley remember a reference to Turgon's sword being the same as Gandalf's sword Glamdring. (Sorry for misspelling) Are they in fact one in the same?

red
01-14-2002, 07:54 PM
You are correct! They are!

-réd

Inziladun
01-14-2002, 10:04 PM
Elrond does say in The Hobbit that Glamdring was once worn by 'the king of Gondolin'. It makes one wonder what happened to the sword between the fall of Gondolin and its being found as part of a troll's plunder.

Yregwyn
06-28-2014, 10:24 AM
Elrond does say in The Hobbit that Glamdring was once worn by 'the king of Gondolin'. It makes one wonder what happened to the sword between the fall of Gondolin and its being found as part of a troll's plunder.Yes, that would be a story i would like to hear. Also ive read somewhere that Orcrist was Ecthelion's sword. it would be interesting to find out how the BOTH ended up there, its a long shot to say they were kept together through the 2nd and 3rd ages. That would be what? 8 or 9 thousand years? Sting was also from Gondolin wasnt it?

Galin
06-28-2014, 01:01 PM
Orcrist is not, as far as I know today anyway, attested as Ecthelion's sword...

... I too have read the fan argument[s] on the web, but any that I have seen are largely based on details from The Book of Lost Tales (and still only conjecture) -- details that we have no certain way of knowing Tolkien was even going to retain however.

In the updated (but unfinished) Fall of Gondolin [long prose version, Unfinished Tales] Tolkien describes the notable spike on Ecthelion's helm, possibly indicating that JRRT was still going to have Ecthelion slay Gothmog by spiking him with his helmet and falling with Gothmog into the fountain.

JRRT does not name Ecthelion's sword here, in any case, although obviously we do not get to the part where the great battle takes place.

Yregwyn
06-28-2014, 08:25 PM
I guess it is up to our own imaginations.