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Stronghold
07-18-2000, 12:32 PM
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Here is a thought. Why do we not hear anything about any of the other Elven Rings in the Lord of the Rings? Its a funny thing that we do not because they held so much power. I just wish that Tolkien could have elaborated on the rings a bit more than he did. Anyone else have any thought?
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Re: Why do we not hear anything about the other Rings?

Other than the Three and the brief mention of the Ring of Thrain, they do mot come into the story. Have you read &quot;Of the rings of power and the Third Age&quot; in the Silmarillion?

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07-18-2000, 04:22 PM
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Re: Why do we not hear anything about the other Rings?

No I have not. I should eh?

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07-18-2000, 05:19 PM
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Re: Why do we not hear anything about the other Rings?

Ya. The entire Silmarillion is a must read!

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07-19-2000, 12:12 PM
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Re: Why do we not hear anything about the other Rings?

The presence of rings is a little more active in LotR than your discussion, up to this point, seems to suggest. Gloin comes to the Council of Elrond in part to discuss Sauron's offer of Dwarf-Rings for information about Bilbo. His tone and Gandalf's answer suggest that Dain and others understood that the offer was a realistic possibility. I don't think that the section in the Silarillion does much more than amplify the discussion of the rings found in that chapter and a few others in LotR. Mind you, that is not to say that Silmarillion isn't &quot;must reading.&quot;

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07-20-2000, 12:57 PM
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The reason we don't hear anything of the three Elven-rings in the LOTR is because they were hidden from the Eye of Sauron. They really could not use their power of beauty to help Arda because the One was still at large and not destroyed. And, if they were to be captured by Sauron, then he could twist them to do much evil, instead of good. So, the Elven-lords hid them until the One was destroyed.

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07-20-2000, 01:42 PM
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But once the one was destroyed the Elven Rings lost their power.

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07-20-2000, 02:18 PM
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Yeah, that's right. But wouldn't you rather them lose their power in the stead of Sauron using them for evil? I would.

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07-21-2000, 01:27 PM
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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Why do we not hear anything about the other Rings?

This is how I look at it ....

When the One Ring was destroyed, the Elven Rings did not really lose their power. Because the One Ring had the power to control the Three, they were not used during the Second Age. But during the Third Age they were put to use as a type of 'counter-force' to the One. When that ring was destroyed, all that had been built by the Three faded because the balance was lost between what they had wrought and what had been made by the One.

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07-22-2000, 02:01 PM
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The other rings are not fully mentioned.
But there is spoken of powers etc.
So you know who had to have a ring. like Elrond, cause there was a power in Rivendell that could withstand the force of the dark-lord for a while if it must and flooding of the river near rivendell that Elrond caused.

We all know of Galadrieland and her ring.

And offcourse Gandalf had a ring he was the one who said to frodo he that he had to take the ring of (in the breaking of the company or something).

and more little stuff like that.

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--The One, of course, is spoken of
--The Nine are held by the Ringwraiths, but seem to be mostly used to enhance their power
--The Seven are destroyed or captured by Sauron, and I got the feeling that they weren't the most powerful to begin with; they just served to give the Dark Lord more power, but no particular advantage directly related to them
--The Three have a passive, defensive magic relating to beauty and the preservation of all things pure. Therefore, they cannot be used in an overt, showy manner which would cause them to appear more in the story. They are the reason Rivendell, Lothlorien, and the Grey Havens still exist.

Did anyone see the posting on the Entmoot board where someone discovered that if you put the rings in order:
3
7
9
1
they spell 1973, the year Tolkien died? Creepy, huh?

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07-26-2000, 10:05 AM
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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Why do we not hear anything about the other Ri

strange indeed about the rings and Tolkien's repose- welcome newly deceased.
As to the ring of fire maintaining the grey havens still - I wonder since it had been in Gandalf's keeping for I think 2000+ years.


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07-27-2000, 04:15 PM
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The 3, 7 and 9 are all greater Rings. There are also an unstated number of 'lesser' rings (one of which Gandalf thought the One might be). All the Rings (except the One) were made by Elves for Elves (some with an assist, and a possible exception for Durin's Ring). All the Ring's alike were intended to preserve that which is desired, and to prevent decay. All the rings also could enhance the natural power of the possessor. For more detail see Letter 131.

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08-02-2000, 07:57 AM
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The rings were mentioned. Remember, in Lothlorien, the Lady Galadriel flashed her ring. And there's Thrain's Ring... and in the Silmarrion *please excuse me if I misspeled the title* there is the chapter about the Rings of power. And there are the Nazgul with the Nine... and the Seven were lost or gone... so there is a mention of almost all of them.

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08-02-2000, 01:19 PM
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All of those rings were true Rings of Power, Gandalf12. I think Stronghold's questions was asking about the other 'lesser' rings which seem to have been mentioned (by Gandalf, as Tar Elenion said) but not witnessed in the narratives of Middle-Earth.

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Oh. Um, sorry... i rant and rave on about other things somtimes... <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">

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08-03-2000, 05:38 AM
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Keep ranting and raving! It keeps us on our toes! <img src=wink.gif ALT=";)">

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M.Martinez wrote what I thought was an amazingly good article &quot;Gil-Galad was an Elven King&quot; where he mentions some aspects of the three I had not fully considered .
I will try and summarize a bit w/ no preconception that I can do his essay justice.
1] The 3 he contends were working passively w/ their time stopping functions even when not being worn.[e.g. The fellowships experience of the newness of the sun in Lothlorien [a 2nd not 3rd age sun] and
2] that the Elves were being rather decietful w/ the numenoreans re: the cause of the War of the Elves and Sauron -not telling them they had conspired w/ Sauron to make Elven time stoppers
[their ultimate passion and obsession-trying in effect to be little vala] and that originally Gil-Galad would not countenance their use -but after their death Elrond and Galadriel went ahead and used them actively.
I actually should reread it to get a better handle - but I thought it was a masterful job of pulling many disparate threads scattered over 20 mor so books together.
W/ the #rings and Elven Politics getting special treatment.
lindil

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secretfire
04-11-2003, 06:43 AM
That's what makes the trilogy a very interesting work. Because we are all drawn to the mystique of the work. JRR Tolkien gave us a superabundant gift from which we can never dig too greedily because it renews itself. smilies/smile.gif

Son of Fire
04-15-2003, 10:19 AM
Gandalf, when he was explaining rings to Bilbo, said that there were many magic rings in the world, and bilbo's was perhaps one of them. Most would make you invisible and eventually, if you wore it too much, fade, BUT only the great rings bestowedlong life. So the lesser rings were practice rings and just helped you turn invisible or whatever like that, the fact that they are little mentioned just shows us that they were essentially of no consequence.

Meneltarmacil
06-25-2003, 10:44 PM
OK, here's the list of everybody who had the rings

The One Ring: Sauron

The Three Rings:
Gil-Galad
Galadriel
Cirdan

The Seven Rings:
Durin III
??????????? X6

The Nine Rings: The Nazgul

Gorthol
06-26-2003, 11:55 AM
In the council of Elrond:
"The Three were not made by Sauron, nor did he ever touch them. But of them it is not permitted to speak".
Though he does continue to explain what their powers were.

Lush
06-26-2003, 05:22 PM
I'm sure Tolkien had enough on his hands with his OTHER millions of details. smilies/wink.gif

NAri Brassbow
09-30-2003, 02:46 PM
the leser rings that just made yo invisble were probaly given to people until they disapeared forever then taken away so a leader of old would hve ivisabl scouts and or assians

Slayer
10-10-2003, 05:27 PM
If you read the appendices like a true supa fan you would know more about the rings. It has probably already been discussed in this forum anyway.

Finwe
10-10-2003, 06:22 PM
Slayer, everyone has a right to ask questions. Instead of berating them, you should direct them to where their questions can be answered. That is what this forum is really about.