But according to that, both SPM and Legate are equally good.

Bleh...no time, and a choice to make.....

++Legate

What I ment was that if one was to make such a bold bluff as pretending to be the lynch seer, then it would be more advisable to say that only one vote was missing. That way there would be more innocent killed before the treachery was discovered.

I hope that is good enough for you.

Because I found them more interesting at the time. . .
I think it is very odd that you are implying that I should look at whom people in genneral suspects the most and advice Rikae to look at them. Not only would that allow the vampires great infulence on the dream (if Rikae listened to the advice) it would also be very populistic. . .I hate populists.

just a small comment: There is of course also the possibilty that a person mixed up with the voting and therefor did not get his/hers vote counted.

Edit: just adjusting the last bit of my post

Well, I think who dies toDay will be very telling of who the vampires are, even if we don't get one toDay...

Ah well, let's just say:

++Saucepan Man

Okay. Let's lynch the Spam-man then... Legate earns one more hearing to be fair.

++ Saucepan Man

So long, and thanks for all the fish...;)

good luck...

EDIT: Write me a good death, Volo!

Yes indeed... I thought if you weren't up to date to see the reason for our choices in the first place...

Rikae: Let's hope the shade knows what to do...

... and hopefully everyone has also voted... not just declared a vote here... :rolleyes:

I was semi-up-to-date.

Night 4 began.

Now stop chatting and start doing your hidden stuff.

Day 4
 

Kaimoir seamed dark and calm, only the sound of wood crackling in the great pyre could be heard. Lossenatar looked sadly into the blaze, it was alien to his world. The times before this quest for survival weren’t too bad. But Yulnagar knew better. Or did he...

Firithhyando walked to stand beside Lossenatar. Numundo sat by the other end of the tower.

”Loss...”

”Huh? What is it, Fir?”

”We have begun to fade”.

”I know. I know...”

They looked at each other, and then at Numundo.

Firithhyando continued, ”You are going to be the first one”.

”Sad to hear, but nothing can be done. You’ll have to fight your way out through this”.

”Do you think we should quit?”

”No... The Men are not going to let us go. Hilly died and so shall we. The only thing we can do is fight”.

”Hmm... I promise we will. Thank you for it all, Loss”.

”As you wish”, said Lossenatar and smiled bitterly. He walked to the ledge beside Numundo, said ”Farewell” and jumped off. Lossenatar’s bat figure flying towards the fire.

-~~-----------------------------------------------------------------------~~-

In the house near the great pyre slept a person who couldn’t even imagine what would happen so soon. The end was near.

A cloaked figure sat in the chair beside the bed sipping coffee. Soon the moment would come when the sword would be revealed.

Something creaked outside the room. The cloaked figure grasped the hilt of the sword tighter. Sweat flowed down the waiting figure’s brow.

The handle of the door started turning slowly.

And then it stopped.

Surely whatever was behind the door didn’t notice the Ranger waiting for the murderer.

The Ranger put on the hood and walked to the door. Heart beating overtime the Ranger listened. Something was breathing just as nervously on the other side of the door.

Strange as it was, footsteps were heard going away from the door.

The Ranger took a deep breath and waited. As nothing suprising happened, the Ranger opened the door and walked out to the corridor.

Without a sound something hit the Ranger’s head and before the Ranger hit the ground, the Vampire caught the body and put carefully on the floor.

-~~-----------------------------------------------------------------------~~-

The Vampires weren’t the only ones preparing to die. A man was lying in his bed, looking at the roof and sweating. His fever had gone up again. While he could still get out of bed occationally the other day, now he found that impossible. He had laid in his room thinking about his preveous life. Should he complain? He could, he thought, but won’t. During his life he had travelled to many beautiful places and seen many wonders. This is just one of the adventures that overcame him. His bones ached and his eyes burned into his head. He knew death would come for him and he took it calmly.

Would it have been any different if he weren’t there in bed, helpless? He tried not to think about it, but the words he heared from outside couldn’t leave him to his peace. They were going to vote for him just because they were too afraid to kill anybody who wasn’t dying already. But eventually they did. Some poor lad would also meet his fate. He wondered if he’d meet the lad in whatever came next. Maybe... He was ready to find out.

The fever continued to rise.

Glirdan closed his eyes for the last time.

-~~-----------------------------------------------------------------------~~-

Lossenatar smiled broadly. He couldn’t believe that the Ranger fell for the trick. He would have wanted to kill the Ranger, but not now. Somebody else would meet fate.

He opened his claw and the door. The darkness invited Lossenatar and he entered. So easy, he thought to himself. He walked to the bed and looked at his victim. The face looked so calm, how could it belong to somebody so cruel... Well, enough thinking, Lossenatar drew his claw back and prepared to strike.

He never struck, for he couldn’t. An immense pain filled the Vampire’s body. He felt a wind push him away from the bed. Lossenatar couldn’t scream, except in his mind. Blackness so perfect that even Lossenatar couldn’t see through it grasped him.

The Shade flung Lossenatar straight through the wall so that when the Vampire came back to his senses he was caughing blood on the pavement outside.

-~~-----------------------------------------------------------------------~~-

Many sleepless figures gathered on the square before the clock stuck. When it did, everybody who had the luck to sleep crawled out too.

Rikae brushed her hair back with her hand and smiled at Mac who stared into the fire.

Gil-Galad was thinking over the preveous day.

Boromir tried to ajust some of his dragon-slaying strategies into the current situation.

And Enohl the Oracle was sitting on Celuien waiting patiently for everybody to gather around.

”Hmm... Lies, lies, lies... Why do you always lie to each other, now look what you have done. Yes, a decision has been made, though some of you may regret it.

”Twice lost, but well alive. One of the members of the Fellowship, though not the one with the cross.”

People looked at each other waiting for somebody to start running or shouting. It suprised then that nothing like this happened.

Legate walked calmly forwards and said to the crowd, ”No way can we stand against a force like that, you Men, you deserve to live. I won’t say I’m happy with this, but be it so”.

He turned to face Enohl, ”What did the monster do to you, poor friend...”

Enohl rolled his head around and stood up, ”Humph, Lossenatar...”

”Yes, Lossenatar”, answered Legate.

”I always trusted you”.

”And I trusted you, Yulnagar...”

”It’s a pity...”

”What is, my lord?”

”You must now die”.

”I must now die...”

”Farewell”.

Legate smiled a bitter smile and kneeled before the Oracle. He put his long staff on the ground beside himself and looked down.

The people around were so absorbed by the event that most of them forgot to close their eyes.

The tall dark haired man suddenly began shrivel. Legate’s hair began turning gray, before falling off completely. His flesh started disappearing from his bones. As if age came to him many hundreds times faster than it should have. Legate fell to the ground eyes wide open. His skin wore off and pale bones showed. They too corroded and all that was left of Legate, or Lossenatar was the small pile of dust at the Oracle’s feet.

Enohl walked away.

-~~-----------------------------------------------------------------------~~-

The living:

Gil-Galad (Gil)
The Saucepan Man (Esspiem/SPM)
Rikae
Boromir88 (Boro)
Nogrod
Eomer of the Rohirrim (Eomer)
Thinlómien (Lomiella/Lommy)
Aganzir
Xyzzy
Macalaure (Mac)
Diamond18 (Di)
Shastanis Althreduin (Shasta)
Kitanna
Durelin
Rune Son of Bjarne (Rune)
The Sixth Wizard (Morgan/Sixth)

The dead:

Celuien (Cel) – Turned into a chair by the Oracle after being voted out on Day 1. Innocent.

Brinniel – Possessed by the Vampires to write poetry with her own blood on Night 2. Innocent.

Menel – Turned into a pipe by the Oracle after being voted out on Day 2. Innocent.

Roa – Possessed by the Vampires to torch herself on Night 3. Innocent.

Sleepy – Committed suicide by jumping off the highest tower on Night 3. Innocent.

Legate of Amon Lanc (Legate) – Aged to death in seconds after being voted out on Day 3. Vampire Ranger.

Glirdan (Glirdy) – Died of sickness in his own bed on Night 4. Innocent.


Day 4 has started. You may now talk.

Well, I have to say that I was utterly furious when I first reviewed events at the end of yesterDay and ready to call you all ninnyhammers on the afterthread. But now I am rather surprised and delighted.

I must now be down to seven lives ... although I am somewhat honoured to become (as far as I know) the only player to have twice received the most votes on the game thread and yet still lived. :D

Here's yesterDay's "voting record":

Di: Glirdy (Glirdy 1)
Xyzzy: Nogrod (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1)
Gil: Shasta (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1)
Sixth: Durelin (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1)
Esspiem: Legate (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 1)
Rikae: Esspiem (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 1, Esspiem 1)
Shasta: Legate (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 2, Esspiem 1)
Boro: Esspiem (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 2, Esspiem 2)
Lomiella: Esspiem (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 2, Esspiem 3)
Kitanna: Eomer (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 2, Esspiem 3, Eomer 1)
Rune: Legate (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 3, Esspiem 3, Eomer 1)
Aganzir: Esspiem (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 3, Esspiem 4, Eomer 1)
Durelin: Legate (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 4, Esspiem 4, Eomer 1)
Mac: Esspiem (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 4, Esspiem 5, Eomer 1)
Nogrod: Esspiem (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 4, Esspiem 6, Eomer 1)

No vote stated: Eomer, Legate, Glirdy

I need to think about why Legate is dead and why I am still alive (I have some ideas) but, for now, I would be interested to hear from Eomer concerning his vote, and from the Lynch Seer.

One Vampire down, two to go. The Shade appears to know which side his bread is buttered on. I get the feeling that our luck is turning. :cool:

One sour note, though. It appears that the Vampires have identified our Ranger ...

Actually, it appears that I misread in my haste. I had thought that the Vampires had targetted the Ranger. But it appears that they actually targetted someone else (presumably Rikae) and that she was saved by the Shade.

I think that, with the death of Glirdy and Legate, we can lay to rest any doubts that Rikae, Mac, Boro and Nogrod are anything other than what they have claimed (or been revealed) to be (and, believe me, I had my doubts before this Day began).

And am I also right in concluding that, unless Eomer was lying about the Day 1 votes (still a possibility) both Lomiella and Aganzir must be innocent and that, even if he did lie, at least one must still be innocent? With Boro and Mac both voting for Legate on Day 1, Celuien must have received at least 2 votes, one of which was Roa's.

With one vampire down and two to go I figure this is as good a time as any to say this:
I dreamt of Eomer with my first Shade dream. He's a vampire.

Kitanna - If you are the Shade, why are you revealing? I mean, if you are, it's all very helpful of you and thank you and all that - but surely it puts you at risk of losing the game?

Funny how the day I don't vote for Legate he is the one that ends up dying...and I was right all a long.

As luck would have it us villagers have been amazingly fortunate as I was the lynch seer yesterday. I thought it was going to be Esspiem, but the riddle didn't make sense for him and figured out it was Legate, but I wasn't going to give him a license to kill either. So the riddle was:

And Legate received 5 votes, which means either Eomer or Glirdan voted for Legate, or someone lied. Plus this means that at least one of the 6 who voted for Esspiem is a vampire...or the shade maybe?

I have too much work today this day, so I can't be around a lot and can't really be on until late tonight. I just wanted to share this information for everyone to mull over. I would be bragging right now that I knew Legate was a vampire, but I can't really because I didn't vote for him on the day he ended up getting lynched! :rolleyes:

Well I guess the shade couldn't have lied, because the shade (Kitanna) didn't vote for Esspiem. I see no reason to doubt Kitanna's claim and I say we go after Eomer today...which means based on the voting tally someone who voted for Esspiem has to be a wolf:

Rikae
Boro
Thinlomien
Aganzir
Macalaure
Nogrod

I'm innocent, I still trust Mac and Rikae to be known innocents. Which starts putting some doubt in my head about Nogrod's 'hunter' revelation, or leaves Thinlo and Aganzir as our final vampire. (If Kitanna is the shade...which I'm going to say she is).

Day 1 voting (again)
 

I am sure that there are answers to be found in the Day 1 voting. I messed up yesterDay in my musings in this regard because I somehow got it into my head that Nogrod had said that he had voted for Celuien and not Rikae.

So, bear with me while I go through it again ...

Stated votes for Rikae: Menel, Gil, Brinniel.

Of those, we know that Menel and Brinniel were innocent. Nogrod said yesterDay that he did not vote for Legate (as stated on Day 1) but instead voted for Rikae.

So we have three known votes for Rikae, possibly four (if Gil is innocent).

Stated votes for Legate: Boro, Mac and Nogrod.

As noted, Nogrod did not vote for Legate. So that’s two known votes for Legate.

Stated votes for Celuien: Lomiella, Eomer, Roa and Aganzir.

That’s one known vote for Celuien. But she must have received at least three to have been lynched instead of Rikae. Eomer, as Lynch Seer, claimed that Celuien had received five votes.

Possibility 1: Eomer is innocent and stated the votes correctly. It follows, in these circumstances, that Lomiella and Aganzir are most likely innocent and that at least one other innocent (probably two, as it is unlikely that Glirdy voted) stated a vote for someone else, but in fact voted for Celuien.

Possibility 2: Eomer is lying. But we know that Celuien must have received at least three votes. One of those was Roa’s Even if Eomer is lying, Lomiella and Aganzir are most likely innocent, since their two votes are the most likely explanation for Celuioen, rather than Rikae, being lynched.

Possibility 2 seems the most likely to me. If so, why would Eomer lie about the number of votes cast for Celuien unless he is a Vampire? In which case, Kitanna is telling the truth and is the Shade. On the other hand, in the unlikely event that Eomer is not a Vampire, Kitanna almost certainly is one.

So, it would seem sensible to lynch either Kitanna or Eomer toDay. My strong inclination is to go with the latter.

Unless I have messed up in my reasoning again - in which case, I should be grateful to have it pointed out.

Catching up
 

Day Two

Menel voters (7, really 5):
Rune
Lommy
Aganzir
Mac
Espiem
Legate
Nogrod

1 is guilty and dead
1 is a known innocent
1 is very probably an innocent
4 are question marks

So one of the following four is either a wolf or a lying innocent.

Rune (early vote, one could argue a throwaway)
Lommy (Celuien voter on Day One*, even though her vote started the waggon against Menel, it does also look a little like an attempt to spread the votes further. But why should Vamplómien spread the vote when Legate was in danger?)
Aganzir (Celuien voter on Day One*, she got the waggon against Menel going)
Saucepan Man (shameless bandwaggoner, but if he was evil, he could have also thrown his vote away and saved himself from the heat)


*Keeping Eomer's very probable (unless Kitanna lies) guilt in mind, being a Celuien voter is no longer a thing that one would like to be.


Day Three

Unless some innocent filthily lied about his vote, there is at least one wolf among the SPM-voters, maybe even both (we will know more once we know how many votes Legate really received)

SPM-voters: Rikae (seer), Boro (ordo), Lommy, Aganzir, me (ordo), Nogrod (hunter)

That's Lommy and Aganzir again!

Not necessarily, Boro. As I see it, there may have been tactical reasons for an innocent to state a vote for me, but instead to actually vote for someone else.

Quite possibly, an innocent pretended to vote for me, but in fact voted for Legate, tying him with me on 5 votes. I am not sure that we know how ties are resolved (I will check), but it may have been on the flip of a coin.

Mac, I should be very grateful to hear your thoughts on my Day 1 vote reasoning, because they are looking rather innocent to me on the basis of it.

OK, we need to know for sure whether (other than the one instance which Nogrod has identified) any innocents have, at any point, stated a vote for one person, but instead actually voted for another.

I have not.

Subject to that, and assuming that Kitanna is to be believed, the following look likely to be our remaining Vampires:

Rune
Eomer

It would also, of course, be useful to hear from Rikae (although I doubt somehow that she dreamed of me ... :( ).

We have Roa's vote, the votes of Lommy and Aganzir, and Eomer's non-vote. In this case Lommy and Aganzir look good because Celuien needed three votes to get lynched.
But there might still be that fifth (or better: fourth) mystery vote. In that case Lommy or Aganzir might very well be our third vampire next to Eomer!

edit: x-ed

But risky for two Vampires to claim to vote for the same person on the off-chance that one of them would be the Lynch Seer, surely?

As for Rune, it occurs to me that he claimed yesterDay to vote for Legate - which means, if he is a Vampire, that two of those who claimed to vote for me would have had to have been lying.

I see your points.

However, if you just look at the voting of Day 2 and 3 (which I have to admit I only did), then it quite points towards the two.


I fail to see why you're so obstinate that there was no wolf among your voters. Nogrod sure might have lied, but another one, too? That's stretching it, isn't it?

That's true, perhaps one of the 6 voters for you really voted for Legate tying it at 5. In which case, I'm pretty sure it is the person who receives the first vote is the one that gets lynched. I remember reading that somewhere but can't find it and I must be off soon.

As far as Rune being the last vampire, Esspiem, I don't think that's very likely. Rune voted for Legate, which means that there would have to be 2 innocents who lied about who they voted for (or just didn't tell us)...that makes it a bit more unlikely. I think there are much better people to go after than Rune, based on the info we have of Rune stating his vote for Legate.

Edit: x-ed with Mac and SpM's last posts.

This is doing my head in but, unless either Nogrod or Gil is a Vampire, there were four votes cast for Rikae on Day 1. So Celuien would have had to have received four votes to be lynched - Roa, Aganzir, Lomiella - and who else? Eomer?

Aaiiii!

Is there any residual possibility that Nogrod is a Vampire and our real Hunter is laying low? If so, please Hunter come forth now, as then things would surely fall into place. The Vampires would surely be Eomer and Nogrod.

I know that this may invite a false Hunter claim - but that would be a desperate ploy for a Vampire, and would result in certain defeat.

Btw - any other thoughts on how safe it is to assume that Glirdy never voted?

Yes, it probably is, although I am not for now completely discounting the possibility. We need to hear from Rikae, Nogrod, Lomiella and Aganzir.

I can't find a ruling on it either. Suffice it to say that, as Legate received 5 votes, at least one of those who claimed to vote for me was (for whatever reason) lying.

We have four stated votes for Legate yesterDay: me, Shasta, Rune and Durelin. The fact that Legate actually received five votes puts all four of us in a good light - unless at least two of yesterDay's claimed votes were lies by innocents - as to which, see above (and, yes, I know that sounds self-serving - but do you really still think that I might be a Vampire after all this? :rolleyes: ).

My head hurts - would someone else, preferably a known innocent, mind drawing all this together into some sort of coherent form?

It does and I know this, but I may end up following the route of Glirdan soon due to class overload and I'd rather reveal what I know before that happens. I am well aware of the danger I put myself in, but if you trust me you can grab another vampire with the lynch today and I still have at least one night to live and I can try to take down the third vampire tonight.

I hope you all have painful deaths.

I thought it was funny watching you speaking about how difficult things were for you, when you have two guardians and about a million known innocents.

This just seems so familiar...

(And yes, I have given up hope.)

I voted for Spm yesterday. I'm not a known innocent, but know myself innocent - and thus I'm left with Lommy and Nogrod, if we assume that there was (at least) one wolf among Esspiem-voters, not only lying innocents (unless someone forgot to email his/her vote).
I won't speculate on which one of them could be a vampire before I know:

Kitanna - did you lie about your votes on Days 1 & 2? I mean, the Shade could have had a reason to do so. Knowing this would help us to analyse the voting records of those Days, especially the death of Celuien.
And thank you for protecting Rikae (I guess she's the one you protected as there would have been no reason to protect anyone else), I had already given up hope that you (the Shade) would do so, after your attack on her. :)

Well, I'll be voting for Eomer toDay.

That was easy.

I see no reason to doubt Kitanna. Unless she's the last vampire and is mounting the most improbable "go it alone" strategy ever, Eomer's virtual confession just now sort of seals the deal.

Grammar
 

Eh, I worded that wrong. Eomer is almost certainly a vamp, but I also see no reason to doubt that Kitanna is the Shade since it would be madness for her to sacrifice Eomer and try to go it alone.

You're right. I didn't think about the matter enough before posting it. At that moment I was more inclined to vote for Spm than for Legate, and as I knew that Roa was innocent, and had no reason not to believe Nogrod was the Hunter, it really seemed to me that it was deliberate that you didn't suggest Rikae to dream of Spm (those three were the names she had herself stated, eventhough only to see what kind of suggestions she would get). Two Menel-voters had lied, and I began to see a connection between you and Spm, as you both had voted for him. Apparently I was completely wrong, because yesterDay I was pretty sure you two were Vampires, and now that Legate is dead it seems very unlikely that either of you are.

Well, this is really sucking it up for the Vampires...I feel bad. Seriously.

This just shows how terrible I am with anything...logistical? Anyway...

...what about Gil as the last Vampire?

You know, you guys are so lucky I wasn't the Shade. I would have let you all die slowly, encouraging you to trust Eomer..... :p

Actually, I would have just killed Rikae last night...

This is why I wanted to know if Kitanna voted for Celuien or for someone else, although she said she didn't. For if she didn't, then either Nogrod or Gil should be a vampire (if I didn't miss something).

Geez, where is Rikae? I hope she doesn't think she's dead and doesn't bother to show up. I want to know who she dreamt of.

And hope she wasn't so sure of her death that she would not have bothered to pick anyone to dream of.

I'll go and have some sleep now - I'll probably be back a couple of hours before the deadline, since it's school tomorrow and my school library is only open on Thursdays and Fridays (though the breaks are too short that I would have time to post anything even if the library was open). :rolleyes: