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Celegorm -> Beren or Luthien -> Sauron -> Ar-Pharazon -> Tar-Palantir

Since my original answer was lost in the last page, I'll give it again (the last time being done over a week ago [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]):

Celegorm -> Celembrimbor -> Gil-Galad -> Elendil -> Tar-Palantir.

No Sauron allowed, I believe, Telchar. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

You should pay more attention to the question at hand windlord [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

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Celegorm-> Tar-Palantir

No elves! Except for Celegorm, of course.

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Hmmm, well I did use Sauron in mine.

Which makes your answer obsolete as you use Celebrimbor ;o)

Sorry for the late reply. I have been occupied with the combination of marching band and the start of school recently. Telchar has the correct answer with: Celegorm -> Beren or Luthien -> Sauron -> Ar-Pharazon -> Tar-Palantir.

Ah, I get the feeling you're all ganging up on me... [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] my mistake, then.

Shelob ---> Galadriel

Just, please dont use any mortals. That is orcs, dwarves, men and hobbits.

Easy. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Shelob --> Ungoliant --> Morgoth --> Fingolfin --> Finarfin --> Galadriel. No mortals involved.

Well done, Gwaihir. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] As a reward, you may have the privilege of asking the next question on a new thread. This one is being closed as a result of its length.

6 Degrees of Separation (cont)

Since the previous thread was closed as a result of its length, I have opened this new one so that the game may continue.

The rules (originally devised by none other than the Barrow-Wight himself) are as follows:

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Two names are given. You must trace a connection from the first name, through various other names, to the second name. When tracing from one name to another there must have been interaction or implied interaction in the novels between the two charcters. Also, a link can me made between names if the two characters are immediately related to each other (child, parent, spouse).

Example 1:
Frodo -- Grishnakh
The answer would be:
Frodo -- Pippin (or Merry) -- Grishnakh
direct interection in all links

Example 2:
Frodo -- Mauhur
The answer would be:
Frodo -- Pippin (or Merry) -- Ugluk --- Mauhur
direct -- dirrect -- direct -- indirect

Example 3:
Legolas -- Bard
The answer would be:
Legolas -- Thranduil -- Bard
related -- direct intereaction

Remember... to trace from a name to a name they must have interacted, most likely interacted, or be related to each other.

NOTE: There may be more than one answer. When creating a puzzle, try to make it so there is only one way to trace between the two names. This will be tricky.

ANOTHER NOTE: Someone like Eru is not a valid link unless we are linking Valar or something. And then Eru wouldn't be necessary since the Valar all knew each other well.

YET ANOTHER NOTE: Ask for a maximum number of links to trace the difference between two characters. For instance, in the Frodo to Mauhur example you would have to figure it out using no more than 3 links.

Extra Note: Try not to use Gandalf, Saruman or Sauron if it can be helped. These people have a link to just about everybody.

So, without further ado, may I call upon Gwaihir the Windlord (who successfully solved the last question on the previous thread) to start us off.

I'm here....

A fairly easy one; but this time, as a reversal of the last question, I would ask you only to use mortals (apart from the two names given...)

Galadriel -> Landroval

Galadriel-> Gwaihir-> Landroval

[img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] I'm not counting Eagles as mortals, which they probably aren't. Sorry, try again...

Galadriel -> Gandalf -> Gwahir -> Landroval

Galadriel -> Frodo/Sam -> Landroval

Well, you're not allowed to use Gandalf; but the second one is of course correct. Go ahead.

Fëanor -> Halbarad (the Dúnedan)

Fëanor - Galadriel - Gimli - Halbarad

That is correct, but not exactly how I had in mind [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

I had Fëanor -> Galadriel -> Aragorn -> Halbarad

Finwe ---> Samwise

... Please dont use any elves... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Finwë -> Oromë -> Irmo -> Olórin -> Samwise

Or does the "don't use Gandalf" rule kick in here?

If we're not allowed to use elves, then I think we have to go to an Ainu from Finwë.

Perhaps: Finwë -> Ulmo -> Tuor -> Eärendil -> Elrond -> Samwise
I'm not sure if Eärendil and Elrond count as elves or not.

Or how about:

Finwë -> Ulmo -> Samwise

... since the stream that Frodo and Sam find in Mordor is, I believe, said to have been sent by Ulmo. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Is there actually any reference to Finwe meeting either Orome or Ulmo? I can't remember?

Mine looked simpler: Finwe - Melkor - Sauron - Witchking - Merry/frodo - Samwise

or the Palantir solution:
Finwe - Melkor - Sauron - Saruman/Pippin/Aragorn - Samwise

You're both quick... Laurenendorian gets it! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

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... since the stream that Frodo and Sam find in Mordor is, I believe, said to have been sent by Ulmo.

I never heard that - interesting Saucepans - still thats a little far off for contact, don't you think [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

[ 07:31 PM November 25, 2003: Message edited by: Telchar ]

Finwë certainly met Oromë, since he led the hosts to Valinor.

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Link Fíriel to the other Fíriel. I think I can do it in 5.

Fíriel-> Sam-> Glorfindel(or Elrond)-> Malbeth-> Arvedui-> Fíriel

[ 07:56 PM November 25, 2003: Message edited by: Lindolirian ]

Dairuin-> Hamfast

No Sauron or Gandalf.

Dairuin-> Beren-> Melian-> Galadriel-> Frodo-> Hamfast

Dairuin-> Beren-> Celegorm -> Elrond-> Frodo-> Hamfast

The latter is the coolest as it dont use any Maiar [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

The first one was the closest, but you were right in the fact that there are no Maiar involved. Try again!

Lindo - am I wrong because you can do it in 5 or 4 ?

No, you know what, I'll just give it to ya. Your's were fine anyway. No reason for me to put all sorts of limitations on it. Go ahead!

Ibun ---> Inzilbêth

Ibun -> X -> X -> X -> X -> X -> Inzilbêth

With a little good will it can be done like that ... is that 5 or 7 degrees ???

[ 6:16 PM December 03, 2003: Message edited by: Telchar ]

Ibun-> Tùrin-> Glaurung-> Sauron-> Ar-Pharazôn-> Ar-Gimilzôr-> Inzilbêth

I have always considered the "->" to be one degree of separation. This one is six degrees, seven people.

Nice work - you can go on...

on a sidenote: what do you think is the likelyhood that Pharazon and Inzilbêth met? Her being the grandmother of Tar-Miriel... We can asume that Pharazon was older than her and of close famely to Inzilbeth - som maybe you could cut Gimilzôr out?

Secondly we can only asume that Glaurung and sauron met... right?

True, I didn't think of that... [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Zamin-> Estelmo

Zamin-> Aldarion -> Gil-galad -> (Elendil) -> Estelmo

We can assume that Estelmo being the esquire of the eldest son of Isildur and having joined in the battle against Sauron would have met Gil-galad. Therefore we might be able to leave out Elendil.