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Galadriel55 12-12-2010 05:11 PM

Is it in/from Lothlorien?

Tuor in Gondolin 12-12-2010 06:16 PM

A person? No.
Place? No.
Object? Yes, it's a thing.
Weapon? I would say no.
Jewel? No.
Plant? No.
Magical? Yes.
Was it ever broken? No.
Was it made by the Elves? I think you could say so.
Palantir(s)? No.
Second Age? No.
Is it perhaps a non-permanent object? Very good. Yes.
Galadriel's mirror? A great guess. But wrong. No.
Galadriel's phial? Nyet.
Could it be held in hand? Nein.
Is it dreams? No. It's material.
Bruinen? I mean, the way Elrond makes it flood?
No. Not related to Bruinen.
And I just had another idea - the writing on the Moria Gates in ithildin? Nope.
Hmmm. This is tricky indeed. Let's tackle it from a different angle, then.
Could it be held in hand? No.


Was it made/used within the last millennium of the Third Age (i.e. after TA 2000) ?Yes.

Did it come from Lothlorien?
Yes.

Galadriel55 12-12-2010 07:37 PM

Lembas? :)

Tuor in Gondolin 12-13-2010 07:59 AM

Lembas?
Nope.

(The "when" is key).

Pitchwife 12-13-2010 08:07 AM

Is it the mist that covered the Eotheod when they passed near Dol Guldur on their way to the Field of Celebrant?

Tuor in Gondolin 12-13-2010 08:35 AM

Is it the mist that covered the Eotheod when they passed near Dol Guldur on their way to the Field of Celebrant?
YES!
Quote:

But now [the Dwimordene] seemed shrouded in a gleaming mist; and to their dismay the mist passed over the river and flowed over the land before them....As they drew nearer they saw that the white mist was driving back the glooms of Dol Guldur, and soon they passed into it...under its canopy all things were lit with a clear and shadowless light, while to left and right they were guarded by white walls of secrecy.
"The Lady of the Golden Wood is on our side, it seems," said Borondir."
(But did Eorl even send her a thank-you bouquet? NO. (men :D )

Btw, Before going with the white mist I considered the punch that Helm Hammerhand killed Freca with, but that could have led to other yes/no tricky answers to questions. If asked if "it" was human technically the answer is, I think, no, but to do so would lead you to assume it was a place or thing.

As to whether the mist was natural or created, it seems to me the nearest analog could be the river at the Ford of Bruinen attacking the Nine Riders and killing their horses. The River itself was natural, used by Elrond, and enhanced (horses heads) by Gandalf.

Pitchwife 12-13-2010 10:56 AM

Well, the Valar be thanked - otherwise my last guess would have been 'the perfume Galadriel puts on for special nights with Celeborn' (not very canonical, I'm afraid).
That was a tough nut to crack, Tuor! Lovely! (If I'm allowed just one minor nitpick, I would have said the mist was a substance rather than an object; but never mind.) And I'm really grateful you didn't pick Helm's punch - we might have had to rename this thread '200 Questions on ME'!

Now let me just think a bit on something sufficiently esoteric to match this...

Galadriel55 12-13-2010 04:27 PM

Good job, Pitch! I would never have thought of that! Not that I really payed any attention to that passage...I don't recall it at all right now... :D But good job!!!
Just the usual: person?

Pitchwife 12-14-2010 07:57 AM

Person? - No.

Kyranger 12-14-2010 11:34 AM

Place?

Tuor in Gondolin 12-14-2010 12:59 PM

Thing?

Pitchwife 12-14-2010 01:22 PM

Person? - No.
Place? - No.
Thing? - Not really that either, I'm afraid.

Kyranger 12-14-2010 04:04 PM

Substance?

Pitchwife 12-14-2010 04:15 PM

Person? - No.
Place? - No.
Thing? - Not really that either, I'm afraid.
Substance? - No.

Galadriel55 12-14-2010 04:20 PM

event?

Pitchwife 12-14-2010 04:46 PM

Person? - No.
Place? - No.
Thing? - Not really that either, I'm afraid.
Substance? - No.
Event? - Nnnot really.

Galadriel55 12-14-2010 05:01 PM

hmmm... a word that would define "the punch that Helm Hammerhand killed Freca with"?

Pitchwife 12-14-2010 05:26 PM

:D I think the right word to define a punch would be "hot alcoholic beverage" (although that's three words).
Kidding aside, what you want is a word that would define e.g. "the Curse of Mandos" or "Gandalf's stewardship".

Nerwen 12-14-2010 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitchwife (Post 644692)
:D I think the right word to define a punch would be "hot alcoholic beverage" (although that's three words).
Kidding aside, what you want is a word that would define e.g. "the Curse of Mandos" or "Gandalf's stewardship".

I should call that a "thing".

Well. Is this an oath, perhaps?

Pitchwife 12-14-2010 05:48 PM

Well, for me a 'thing' is something material, and this isn't. As for what it is, I'd call it a concept.
Anyway, it's not an oath.

Galadriel55 12-14-2010 06:41 PM

task?

Nerwen 12-14-2010 07:15 PM

Does it pertain to one particular individual? (Like, to use your own example, "Gandalf's stewardship of Gondor".)

Pitchwife 12-15-2010 03:40 AM

Person? - No.
Place? - No.
Thing? - Not really that either, I'm afraid.
Substance? - No.
Event? - Nnnot really.
Is this an oath, perhaps? - No.
Task? - No.
Does it pertain to one particular individual? - No. (Which doesn't mean, however, that it pertains to everybody.)

Galadriel55 12-15-2010 06:16 AM

anything to do with ruling something?

Pitchwife 12-15-2010 12:07 PM

Person? - No.
Place? - No.
Thing? - Not really that either, I'm afraid.
Substance? - No.
Event? - Nnnot really.
Is this an oath, perhaps? - No.
Task? - No.
Does it pertain to one particular individual? - No. (Which doesn't mean, however, that it pertains to everybody.)
Anything to do with ruling something? - Sorry, no.

Galadriel55 12-15-2010 02:55 PM

does it pertain to a particular nation? Like, for example, all hobbits are short, all dwarves are sturdy, etc.

Pitchwife 12-15-2010 03:15 PM

Person? - No.
Place? - No.
Thing? - Not really that either, I'm afraid.
Substance? - No.
Event? - Nnnot really.
Is this an oath, perhaps? - No.
Task? - No.
Does it pertain to one particular individual? - No. (Which doesn't mean, however, that it pertains to everybody.)
Anything to do with ruling something? - Sorry, no.
Does it pertain to a particular nation? - Well, I wouldn't call Hobbits, Dwarves etc. nations (race? species?), but if you use the word like that, Yes it does.

Galadriel55 12-15-2010 03:20 PM

Well, you are right that they aren't really nations, but you could differentiate between Sindar and Noldor, for example, even though they are both elves. Or with men - men of Esgaroth/dale, Rohan, Gondor, and other places could be called separate nations...
Does it apply to a mortal "nation"?

Pitchwife 12-15-2010 03:43 PM

Sorry, Galadriel55 *, seems we misunderstood each other. In your last question you used 'nation' in the sense of e.g. all Hobbits, all Dwarves etc., and I said if you mean it that way, Yes. If you mean 'nation' as in Sindar or Noldor, Gondorians or Rohirrim, it's a No. Get me?

So:
Person? - No.
Place? - No.
Thing? - Not really that either, I'm afraid.
Substance? - No.
Event? - Nnnot really.
Is this an oath, perhaps? - No.
Task? - No.
Does it pertain to one particular individual? - No.
Anything to do with ruling something? - Sorry, no.
Does it pertain to a particular 'nation' (in the sense of Hobbits, Dwarves...)? - Yes.
Does it apply to a mortal "nation"? - It does apply to mortals.

*can we perhaps shorten your name somehow without getting you mixed up with the other Galadriel?

Galadriel55 12-15-2010 04:05 PM

Sorry about that misconception. I'm not very good with explanations, as you can see... :)
Is the mortal race/nation humans?


Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitchwife (Post 644765)
can we perhaps shorten your name somehow without getting you mixed up with the other Galadriel?

You can call me G55, if you want. I don't mind the least! I do have a long name: G-a-l-a-d-r-i-e-l-5-5, to long to write fully every time you want to say something to me :)

Pitchwife 12-15-2010 04:43 PM

Person? - No.
Place? - No.
Thing? - Not really that either, I'm afraid.
Substance? - No.
Event? - Nnnot really.
Is this an oath, perhaps? - No.
Task? - No.
Does it pertain to one particular individual? - No.
Anything to do with ruling something? - Sorry, no.
Does it pertain to a particular 'nation' (in the sense of Hobbits, Dwarves...)? - Yes.
Does it apply to a mortal "nation"? - It does apply to mortals.
Is the mortal race/nation humans? - Yep!

Quote:

Originally Posted by G55
You can call me G55, if you want. I don't mind the least! I do have a long name: G-a-l-a-d-r-i-e-l-5-5, to long to write fully every time you want to say something to me

It's not really that long, compared to, for example, Ibrîniðilpathânezel; I'm just being lazy.:)

Nerwen 12-15-2010 05:52 PM

The Gift/Doom (depending on the spin) of Men?

Galadriel55 12-15-2010 06:54 PM

You beat me to it, Nerwen! I bet that's the answer! :D

Pitchwife 12-16-2010 09:02 AM

i anna Iluvatáro
 
... and of course it is; 'the Gift of the One to Men', as the Eldar say. Correct, Nerwen! Your turn.:)

Galadriel55 12-16-2010 04:13 PM

person?

Kyranger 12-16-2010 05:27 PM

Place?

Nerwen 12-16-2010 06:27 PM

Person? –no.
Place? –no.

Kyranger 12-16-2010 06:46 PM

Object?

Nerwen 12-16-2010 07:23 PM

Object? –yes.

Tuor in Gondolin 12-16-2010 07:32 PM

Intelligent-creature made object?


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