I can't believe I've spent so much time reading through, and I feel more muddled than ever. At any rate, I gave up reading through to the end, so I'm going to ignore a page and post before it's too late. I apologize in advance if I forget to bold any names or make other mistakes. I typed this in a notepad and have to make adjustments after.

I'm not really more muddled though...not quite... I'm starting to agree with the idea of Fea being guilty, though I wanted to be skeptical. I'm also not letting Mac off the hook. So, in otherwords, I'm agreeing with popular opinion. Hmn. :(



*******

Responding to Legate:

Like Rikae said, the red herring is just a figure of speech. I didn't even know you were a herring, though now I recall seeing it somewhere. :)

And no offense taken, calling me a newbie, although you also say I could be using it for a cloak. Well, I may have been, but I'm trying to avoid it now.

*******



So again in no particular order:


Sally: I keep hearing "Sally is just being Sally" which is very unhelpful, since I don't know Sally. But I don't have an opinion on her innocence. Like Dury, I just don't know, so wouldn't vote.

Legate: doing his best to seem innocent by being very helpful - I'm buying it still. I really hope he isn't evil, because he's making a lot of sense.

Mira: I'm prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt on the Dury vote - she's Fea's friend, right? And her first game - don't blame her for wanting to keep Fea alive. But all 5 Dury voters do need extra-careful watching.

Lari: Including Lari. She was the first to question Fea's guilt, then not long after:

...which Mac pointed out. But I think it's acceptable that she was just trying to make sure all sides of the story were examined, because up to that point Fea didn't have many supporters. And then wanted to clarify that she in fact does find Fea suspicious.


Agan: I don't really like to comment on her argument with Lommy, except that it WAS public. I don't know them well enough, but it occurred to me, and Lari after, that it might be a good means of "separation" if they were both wraiths.

Lommy: same.

Rune: not seeming so innocent anymore after last Day. Then again, his defending Fea is almost too obvious, for a wraith. Good explanation by him too. Don't know what to think.

Nerwen: excellent chronology of the passing of Durelin! Good contribution, going the extra mile, makes her look less suspicious, which could be a cunning plan. But I had no reason of my own to suspect her before, and I still don't. I thank her for that post!

Mac: good first post. If you're innocent I can accept your explanation for the vote. And point taken about putting my list in late! However, I didn't vote for you the first two days for nothing, and I'm still watching you. May go through posts again to see if I can find more to support my gut, because if you are a wraith, and Fea is Ferny, I'd be more disposed to get rid of a wraith. I just think Fea may be more obvious right now.

Menel: waaaaaay under the rader - could be anything at all. Like Sally.

Rikae: strikes me as innocent still. Or VERY devious. Possible.

Brinn: Got nothing on her except her reputation as being a wraith when people have nothing on her.

Greenie: also under the radar (at least, my radar - I'd forgot to add her to the list - sorry Greenie!) Hasn't done anything since yesterday to make me suspect her more than I did.


Am I forgetting someone? Yes, Fea...


So it looks like the question of the day is this: is Fea really guilty?

I'm going to try to break it down a bit.

Well, I didn't suspect Fea yesterDay, though others did, obviously more aware of her apparent guiles than I. When Fea asked about Rikae's seer-joke it didn't seem suspicious to me, because, well, I did it too. Not so good for me. But I still don't find that particular incident suspicious. Not that I would know, I suppose.

People agreed about Fea's guilt to varying extents. But there was argument over why:


Nog's death could affect Fea in (at least) two ways:

1. It places more suspicion on the other Dury the Innocent voters, because Nog was innocent, so surely one or more of the other voters was guilty? And Fea stands out, having (I gather) a reputation; being the first to vote.

2. Since Nog was wrong, and he was a good guy, then maybe the other Dury voters are good guys too.

My initial reaction was that the other voters became even more suspicious, especially since, although he pointed out Dury's IC comments, Nog was the last to vote, and even considered voting for Fea himself. So the Dury bandwagon wasn't necessarily all his doing.

Option 2 is possible as well, but the real question is which conclusion Fea would have counted on people having, were she a wraith?

And if she were Ferny, then do we even know if there's a relation between Nog's death and Fea at all? We've been assuming that Ferny is known by the wraiths. Why? If Fea were Ferny and the wraiths didn't know her, then Nog's death neither makes Fea innocent nor guilty.

Which leaves me very confused. :(

So what other things make Fea guilty or suspicious?

The fact that Rune stuck up for her, even before it seemed she needed it. This would only apply if Rune was also an evil one.
That her "vote post" may have started a bandwagon.
Claimed to vote Dury to save Mac; also claimed she didn't expect anyone else to vote with her; said (roughly) it didn't hurt to try anyway.
Like Legate said: Fea should not have talked about gifteds (even I knew not to discuss the ranger, or who Frodo might be, even if I reply to Rikae when she called herself the seer in jest).


******


Regarding late voting: to be late, or to be early.

I think it's good to wait till later to see what might develop, so that one doesn't throw one's vote away if it could be used better. The danger, of course, is being accused of jumping on the bandwagon simply because others voted before you. Or of late-night frenzies as we saw last time, with people scrambling to make the deadline (woah, appropriate word), and maybe not having time to think properly.

I'm going to try to vote earlier today. But I have the luxury of not having to go to bed too soon, so I'll watch what happens, just must get mine in before the deadline.



Gaaaaaah, I don't know if I'll read the rest of the posts tonight.

Macalaure.

I don't know what to think about him. His posts don't overall feel particularly evil... but he's said some pretty odd things that may or may not be wolf-slips. I think he originated the notion that Fea was framed... and Fea has been supporting him– so knowing her role may shed light on his. (Edit: though not so much if she's just a cobbler, since I don't see how the wraiths would know for sure.)

Lariren Shadow

Once thing I'm surprised about is that no-one has commented on Lari's posts about the Ranger (#462) and Ferny (#494).
As it is quite impossible that a Wraith Shadow wouldn't know this stuff by now, these comment are either proof of innocence, or a deliberate attempt to play dumb. There's nothing in between.

The question is, which seems more likely?

EDIT: X'd with a host. Added comment for clarification.

Votes
 

Rikae -> Fea
Lily -> Fea
Lommy -> Sally
Aganzir -> Fea
Legate -> Fea
Rune -> Mac
Mac -> Lari
Nerwen -> Fea
Miri -> Rune
Menel -> Mac

Fea 5, Mac 2, Sally 1, Lari 1, and Rune 1

I'm ready to change that.

Thinking it over I have three people I would vote for.

Fea: For the reasons that she is guilty because she generally is assumed guilty. But she's not acting like she did the last time she was accused of being guilty. She fully admitted it then. I know she said that her style changes, but if we go by horoscopes then she should be proclaiming to the world that she is evil. Then again mine says I should love travel, the outdoors, freedom, justice, honest, and straightforward, while still being blindly optimistic and restless. Who knows?

Rune: I don't like how he assumes that people should know how he plays. I get it if other people think he's playing as he usually does, but his whole thing is rubbing me the wrong way. I just don't like it. And if what I found was a clue then I'm inclinded to think he's guilty. He seems to like picking fights with other players to throw suspicion on them(Brinn the first day and then Miri toDay).

Mac: He's been making lists that show very few people guilty(like the last one was two). In the last game I seem to remember him being more observant than that. Given there was a lot more of sort of obvious acting out then, but I still think that its a little strange to only incriminate two people on Day 3 and not have a good idea about others.

So my vote is:

++Mac

I really don't think Fea is acting like a guilty party considering her later posts. It seems more like her to proclaim guilt than innocences right now.

I still don't like how Rune looks, but I'm tired, still need to read about why Feudalism should not even be a concept, and have no more energy to defend myself.

Repeat after me, kids: "If something exists, it is fair game to discuss."

Rikae -> Fea
Lily -> Fea
Lommy -> Sally
Aganzir -> Fea
Legate -> Fea
Rune -> Mac
Mac -> Lari
Nerwen -> Fea
Mirandir -> Rune
Menel -> Mac
Lari -> Mac

Fea 5, Mac 3, Sally 1, Lari 1, Rune 1

++Mac

*feels heart break just a wee bit*

I didn't want to do that, but I also don't want to die.

So now-

Rikae -> Fea
Lily -> Fea
Lommy -> Sally
Aganzir -> Fea
Legate -> Fea
Rune -> Mac
Mac -> Lari
Nerwen -> Fea
Mirandir -> Rune
Menel -> Mac
Lari -> Mac
Fea -> Mac

Fea 5, Mac 4, Sally 1, Lari 1, Rune 1

I have a headache and I still have readings to do for class which I'd prefer to finish not too late. And there's really no reason not to vote now since I'm already decided.

++Fea

Anyway, her behaviour still reminds me of how she acted last time she was a cobbler-like character.

Um, no, I don't buy that... sorry, Fea, you'll have to convince some already-voteds if you want to stick around. :)


++Fea


My reasons: Some are listed in my previous post. Although I'm very tempted to vote for Mac, I don't think he's the most obvious choice toDay - nor do I think that vote could be swung, now - though if a wraith he would be a better choice, if Fea wasn't looking so guilty.

Even if Fea is innocent we'll have a better idea of where some people stand, once we know her role. In fact if she's innocent it would look pretty bad for a few... but I don't think that's the case (and wouldn't vote for her if I thought so).

Unfortunately if she's the cobbler we won't be certain that wraiths didn't vote against her - both with the sacrifice theory and the fact that Ferny and Wraiths may not know each other.

But I've weighed the options, time will judge!


By the way, where is everyone? I guess people go to bed earlier on the weekdays? I thought this would be another late night post-party. Kinda glad it isn't. :)

And now Mac is back in the running... and, equally, knowing his role would cast light on Fea's.

So... do I retract and vote the possible wraith instead of the probable Ferny?

By the way, I wasn't thinking clearly before: actually, one of Mac's possible wolf-slips, if that's what they were, was that he seemed to know that the wraiths knew Ferny's identity. I can't find the quote, though.

X'd since Brinniel and Beregond.

And then, of course, what does Fea's voting Mac, but defending him previously, signify? If she's the cobbler, then it seems she's only guessing at the wolves' identity. Besides, I really don't know how they would have communicated.

My head hurts.:(

I know, it's a tough call.

I think only Sally hasn't voted. And you can expect Mac to change his vote from Lari if needed (I was surprised he didn't go for Fea, because he seemed to think her guilty enough).

A bit of a mish mash, but here are some thoughts.


You don't like that I'm perky and cheerful? And flip-flopping? I don't see how. (Oh, never mind I remember why she said that. Retracted, because I can see why she thought that, wrong though it may be.) Her thoughts, however, include mostly "I don't know, but they're (insert role guess) because of (insert non-existent reasoning). Not that I'm not guilty of that a lot too, but it just strikes me as strange. Also, I disagree about Rune, which I'll probably explain a bit later in another post.


Sorry, I know it's a huge quote and just a bit of reaction, but I want to know why he is so sure of these two facts. As I said before (though poorly, unfortunately) I think Mac was fairly honest in his intentions yesterDay. I realize he looked fairly suspicious, but it seems to me that he was truly just trying to save himself, and (as others have said) the wraiths could have jumped at the chance to kill Durie. Not to say that they did, but I'm pretty sure that Mac was just worried about survival. (In particular, I'm worried about Rikae, who easily could be a baddie just hiding behind a love of Mac and ice cream. :p)

I don't know about the Nog=ranger theory though. I don't think he would have acted the way he did if he was the ranger, so I'm thinking it was either to appear to set up Fea or just a random kill. Or to screw with us.

Very good point. People have said that the wraiths were responsible for getting Durie killed, but they could have just as easily avoided the lynch in order to make sure they couldn't be traced by it.



Good to know. I had the strangest dream concerning the game last Night and it involved Frodo and some really strange stuff. (Random, I know.) Anyway, I was going to check the rules but now I don't have to. Heh.


I agree with this, and Rune's 'defense' of his action later does nothing to dissuade me. You don't defend someone just because they agree with you. For all you know they could be playing you (or you them, as the case may be). Rune has been giving me bad vibes for a bit now and this definitely didn't help. Just because someone voted in a way that pleased you yesterDay doesn't mean you should return the favor toDay. Unless of course I'm the someone in question.:Merisu:



I haven't refreshed in a while but I'm guessing no. :p

Doubtful, but I'd laugh if it was.


Okay, posting this so I can catch up again and get to my real thoughts instead of just reaction type stuff. Back soon~!



EDIT: x'd with a ton because my computer was being a butt so I wasn't able to do all I wanted and I'm behind again. Blast.

Well as stated in my above post I think Rune looks pretty dern suspicious. I'll agree that Fea has acted pretty off herself, but I also think that if Fea was a cobbler she would
A: not be quite as obvious (though that could be a x-level bluff)
B: wait until later to get herself killed (unless she thought she was saving a wolf)
C: take ownership of her cobblerism, not try to save herself



I'd rather see Fea go than Mac, of course, but my first choice would be Rune. I'm guessing that no one would want to retract and vote him? *cricket* Thought not.

Call it a throwaway if you like but I'm going with my instincts. If by some randomness other people decide to help me kill him, so be it. Either way I'll know that I did what I thought was best, doncha know.



++Rune



Oh, and I'm parched. Maybe Fea'll buy me a drink to say farewell? ;)

Yes, that is a throwaway vote, Sally. We've only got a few minutes left, and Fea has about seven votes, Mac has four and Rune has only two, counting yours. Besides, I don't think Rune's guilty.

I just want to say this: Sally generally rings my alarm bells at some point during a game. To be fair, I'm often wrong about her... but for what it's worth, she's ringing them now. She seems to be making a desperate last minute attempt to save Mac and Fea. I think there's some other reasons, too, but I might not have time to pinpoint them.

EDIT: fixed bolding.

No, I don't have a problem with Fea getting lynched. I'll admit to trying to prevent killing Mac though. Well, sort of.

And when do you not suspect me? ;)

I think Rune's guilty. I'd have voted him no matter what time of the Day it was, so a 'desperate last minute attempt' at anything is a major misdiagnosis. Just saying. :D

Well, it looks official. Lets go to bed! Yay! :D

Time! Fea's death will be up in a matter of minutes.

A bit bloodthirsty, are we? :smokin:


EDIT: Blast. X'd with the moddess. Sorry, darling.

Fea could see her number was up. Though others were in the running, as Day drew to a close it was more obvious with every second the angry villagers would have her head. Who would care for her prize belladonnas now?

The village was quite sure Billy Ferny was masquerading as Fea. What better disguise than to be a woman? “Kill her!” An overwhelming amount of voices called out.

“There are others who are more suspicious than she.” A few other cried. But they failed to unify and vote the same. Fea was doomed.

While the village bickered and argued over what to do, the gardener moved away to say good-bye to her precious flowers. She had no intention of running off, she just wanted to see something beautiful before dying. Though she entertained the idea of running off down the road she knew they're persue, best to get it over with quickly.

“Hey!” Nerwen yelled. “Where'd she go?”

“She's over in her garden!” Rune pointed.

The villagers moved in their angry mob. Fea ignored the noise as they came closer. She just hummed to herself, tending to her flowers. Beregond picked up her hoe and swung it hard. Though the impact wasn't enough to remove Fea's head from her shoulders it was strong enough to sever her spinal cord. Blood spurted out, coating all the plants near Fea.

She fell to one side, her body twitching a little. When she had stopped moving Rikae went forward. “Let's see if Fea's really Mr. Ferny.” Rikae lifted up Fea's skirt to get a peek. Embarrassed she lowered the skirt, her face turning red. “She's not Bill Ferny.”

Fea had been innocent of any crimes.

Living
satansaloser2005
Lariren Shadow
Mirandir
Thinlómien
Legate of Amon Lanc
Rikae
Aganzir
Beregond
Nerwen
Rune Son of Bjarne
Macalaure
Meneltarmacil
A Little Green
Brinniel

Dead
Kitanna – Made an example of Night 1 (moddess)
Gollum the Great – Eaten by hogs Day 1 (innocent)
Shastanis Althreduin – Forced to swallow a sword Night 2 (innocent)
Durelin – Hanged on Day 2 (innocent)
Nogrod – Disemboweled and hanged by own intestines Night 3 (innocent)
Feanor of the Peredhil – Hoed to death Day 3 (innocent)

The name Mr. Underhill couldn't be safe forever while the ringbearer was in Bree. After a few nights in Bree Mr. Underhill knew he was no longer safe. The wraiths were in the room, sniffing. The ringbearer was hiding under the bed, fingering the Ring.

They were sniffing for the ringbearer and in a moment of weakness Mr. Underhill slipped the Ring on. The wraiths shrieked and flipped the bed over. It was all over. A new threat entered the village.

Living
satansaloser2005
Lariren Shadow
Mirandir
Thinlómien
Legate of Amon Lanc
Rikae
Aganzir
Beregond
Nerwen
Rune Son of Bjarne
Macalaure
Meneltarmacil
A Little Green
Brinniel

Dead
Kitanna – Made an example of Night 1 (moddess)
Gollum the Great – Eaten by hogs Day 1 (innocent)
Shastanis Althreduin – Forced to swallow a sword Night 2 (innocent)
Durelin – Hanged on Day 2 (innocent)
Nogrod – Disemboweled and hanged by own intestines Night 3 (innocent)
Feanor of the Peredhil – Hoed to death Day 3 (innocent)

*written in the excitement after last lynching*

Well, I've learned a lesson from yesterDay. I don't know what the lesson is, but I've learnt it. I was pretty shocked reading Kit's narrative of Fea's untimely end. At my own hands, I might add. (by the way, Sally, I was grinning at being able to go to bed, not at Fea's imminent death) - I ain't bloodthirsty like that. :p And I'm not prone to wielding hoes - a madness took me! Sorry Fea. :(

And now what I said earlier is coming back to haunt me:

Well, I hope I was right, although when I wrote that I was looking for reasons to justify my choice - I didn't expect her to be innocent in fact.

The strange thing is that so many of us were wrong - even most of those who didn't vote for Fea still didn't speak out in her favour.

Well, today will be an interesting day, and no mistake.

*****

And now the ringbearer is...worse than dead. A sad day in the village. :(

Well, I'm sure the wraiths are happy now. Not only did they get to stand by (more or less - unless Legate is one) and watch Fea be lynched, and now have Legate and I as perfect scapegoats for the next lynch, but they have Frodo as well. :(

Aren't we glad Frodo didn't reveal in day one or two, now? Hmm? Well, at least I get to be right about something. By the way, I'm sorry, Fea. I guess I've seen (and demonstrated) now that even "big name" players make major blunders.

I don't think I'll try speculating about who the baddies are just yet toDay. It's past 1 am, and I'm not feeling particularly confident about my wolf-hunting abilities at the moment, anyway.
I'm also not going to make much effort to defend myself against the lynch mob that will probably come after me... I said everything I had to say about why to lynch Fea yesterDay. I still think what I said made sense, and I still can't imagine what possessed Fea to start agreeing with Nog (or what possessed Nog, for that matter).

But yeah, I'm going to bed, so don't look for me until at least 9 or 10 EST. Perhaps when I come back I'll try looking for Frodo a bit... after all, although the wraiths may have just been lucky, there's a chance something in the posts led them to him.

Rikae dear, do not despair, I think I can make their Day significantly worse. ;) Okay, they might happy now because they get to kill the seer as I'm don't dare to hide any longer, but I'm sure they don't like two of them getting caught. :p

So, Brinn and Sally, my dear wraiths, I'm sorry to say, game over. And others, for heaven's sake, stop going after Mac, he's innocent (unless he's Ferny). Sadly, I cannot give you another known innocent because you killed her yesterDay. :rolleyes:

I was thinking whether I should reveal sooner or later and decided it doesn't make much difference, but it actually would have. Blah. Well, at least now we all have more time to go through Brinn and sally's posts and see who might the third wraith be and also speculate who could have they attacked last Night... and they might give out as much info about themselves doing that as they would have done thinking they're safe, so maybe it doesn't matter that much after all... Okay, I'm going to do some rereading now, I'm going to see who could be Brinn and sally's mate and who could they have attacked last Night (but given their rather surprising kill choices, we won't necessarily be able to make much out of it).

And lastly, in case you're interested about a chronological order (maybe it explains some of my behaviour):
Night1: Fea (because I can never read her)
Night2: Brinn (I thought it would shed light on stuff)
Night3: Mac (he was baffling everybody so much that I needed to know)
Night4: sally (she looked evil and there seemed to be a connection between her and Brinn)

I must say now already that my hats off go to Brinn, undoubtedly, I had such hard time keeping her on my suspicion list because she was acting so innocent! I had to resort to the "gut-feeling" level, as you can see... :D

Lommy, I thought you might be the Seer. I'm so glad to have been right about something, after yesterDay.

And apologies to Fea... all I can say is, I honestly thought I was doing the right thing.:(

What do you make of Sally's attack on Rune yesterDay?

Hmmm. This definitely should make for an interesting Day - Fea turning out to be innocent, Frodo switching sides and Lommy revealing as seer. I'm trying to look at those three things now.

First, Fea. The easy way would be to simply accuse people like Rikae and Legate who were heavily for her lynching. However, I'm not sure whether a wraith would like to be so noisily for lynching someone they know is innocent anyway since that might cast some suspicion on them the next Day. What I think we really need to look at is the people who slip by the flow, voicing a sufficient amount of suspicion for Fea and voting according to the general consensus. I'll see to that if I have time.

Secondly, Frodo. The thing we need to remember is that Frodo is playing a different role toDay that in the first three Days, and that might give us good hints on who s/he might be. In finding Frodo, it is important to compare people's posts to what they have posted earlier.

Thirdly, Lommy. (Well, her posting at least has certainly changed from yesterDay. :D) I'm inclined to believe her claim for now, it looks honest and kind of makes sense. She'd be a very bold wraith to do that, since if Sally and Brinn were innocent she'd get caught pretty soon and if they were her fellows she'd lose two wolf buddies for the sake of gaining the village's trust (and even then we might start wondering why she doesn't die at Night). Of course there is one wolf more toDay than there has been and all that, so toDay would be the perfect chance for a seer-impersonator wraith to come out. Even then, it wouldn't make much sense for a not-at-all-suspected wraith-Lommy to do such a stunt. Of course she could be Ferny trying to provoke the real seer from hiding, but it doesn't look like a probable move. I'm inclined to believe Lommy's claim for now. I just want to turn every stone and check through every possibility, just in case.


EDIT: x-ed with Nerwen. (This is becoming a habit.)

I figured some people would - I thought I was being pretty obvious so in fact I was surprised to find myself alive toDay. ;)

Well, I have thought Rune innocent pretty much all the time, I wonder if I should reconsider. After all, he and Brinn could have staged their fight on Day1... But still it maybe looks a bit unlikely. I don't know, I should check sally's attack before saying more. In any case, it is interesting how all sally, Lari and Mira attacked Rune yesterDay, I'm sure it's worth having a look at.

Agreed. And I would also look at those defending her - that would be an ideal position for a wraith too. But we should also maybe look at it from the angle that the wraiths too could have thought her to be Ferny, maybe...?

I just got a weird gut-feeling (err not like those *coughseerishcough* "gut-feelings" mentioned in my yesterDay's summary :D) that Legate is Frodo. Interesting. :D

Oh my, well, as you can see, even the best players (meaning myself, of course) can make mistakes. But really, I was so convinced that Fea must be some Cobbler - I mean, how comes? She behaved really unbelievably sillily (in my opinion).

And now Lommy says Mac is innocent. Okay. Had she not said it, I would have tried, with all my authority (that has been severely damaged after yesterDay's lynch), to lynch him. Now that undermines my trust in my opinions in this game being right even more. But whatever. I can still do something. Maybe.

As for Lommy's claim. I believe you, because I think it fits. I was actually wondering about that yesterDay, when you voted sally - I only thought you perhaps may have dreamt of sally before, and thus were voting her. But in that case, I would be surprised if the Wolves did not target you. I am still a bit surprised. But then, perhaps they were so sure who Frodo is that they decided to get him before he can reveal? If that is the case, they must be better than we are - for at least when it comes to myself, I have no idea who that might be.

Okay, while one may be worried whether Lommy is not an impersonator after all, I am going to give it a shot, not get too overcomplicated and just believe her. There is nothing better for me to do now. And even if you are impersonator, Lommy, it will be known after toDay, if we lynch let's say sally. Let's also hope a Ranger may protect you this Night and thus, you get another dream.

But I can assure you I am not.

It would be so easy for her to slip a fellow in here... you know, my ww experience tells me there's probably a fellow of hers here, but on the other hand, it would be actually smarter of her not to put any fellows there... so I should just ignore this list even though it kind of haunts me. :rolleyes:

I think Rune and Brinn's fight looks a bit too ugly for a staged wolf-on-wolf. (Or is it actually so ugly it can't be real? Hmmm...)

Hmmm I'd actually have another look at Menel, possibly.

Joining the chorus of Brinn-suspectors with new evidence at this point makes her look really innocent.

Lari forgot Brinn from a list of hers which points to her being an innocent or an extra sneaky wolf. It makes me feel better about her.

Would a wolf-Rikae say this about a wolf-sally? I don't think it would even occur to her, probably...

Gandhi and Mira worry me a little. I would not be surprised to have one newbie wolf in this game. But actually Gandhi looks better because he was not sure that Rikae was unserious, if he was a wolf, he'd have known she's joking because he'd have known Mac's not a wolf.

I think this more or less exonerates Rune - I don't see the point in a wolf-on-wolf fight that ends so easily and is not about suspicion but about being offended of each other's comments.

This makes me feel better about Greenie. I don't think it's probable Brinn would put both her fellows to the same - and most suspicious! - category so early in the game (Day2).

I wonder if an Aganwolf would go on and do an exonerating analysis of Brinnwolf...?

If someone's a wolf in the Dury-wagon, I think it's Mira.

I have an idea or two about Frodo's identity, but I'm not sharing them, at least not now.


edit: xed with Legate

Well, possibly the wraiths thought they had such a good line to Frodo that it was worth ignoring you– or, for that matter, they could have wrongly thought they'd found the Seer, though I don't know who would have looked more Seerish than you at that point. Or we might have some evil politics going on, like in Fea's game.

Well, it's a common enough tactic, and had the effect of making Brinn look like an injured innocent... but it didn't feel staged to me. And yet Sally's attack on him ought to mean something.

It wouldn't surprise me; she certainly looked like Ferny. I'm not sure what difference that would make, though, except that maybe they'd be less willing to stick their necks out (wraiths have necks, right?)

Regarding Frodo– Brinn spent Day One going on and on and on about Frodo and what his motivations might be and what Frodo could do if he wanted to help the wraiths out *wink**wink*...etc.

I wonder if it's worth noting what her advice actually was and seeing if anyone appears to have followed it. It might take too long, though.

EDIT: X'd with Legate and Lommy.

I assume that you knew the risks by attacking a person so agressivly as did. . .

Personaly I don't think it makes Legate look as the obvious scapegoat, he was more after Mac than Fea, but of course we have just learned that Mac is innocent.

Anyways I won't be around much today, it is my mothers birthday so I will be gone most of the day and I cannot stay up all night until deadline because I have to take care of my brother tomorrow.(he is sick)

I will make a post of more substans before I leave.

In answer to my own question: no, all Brinniel does is say that a would-be wraith Frodo would do best to play the part of a loyal but inconspicuous villager– basically to fly under the radar. And we don't know if Frodo took her advice anyway.

Grr Brinn I will never ever trust you again no matter how innocent you look!

I'm happy Mac is revealed innocent because it makes my life a lot easier. Or actually it doesn't because I just came up with an uncomfortable scenario. But at least he isn't a wraith.

Greenie's assuring she believes Lommy's claim for now looks a bit weird. I don't know, it's just the way she systematically brings up things; Lommy would be a bold wolf to do that, but then again... Today would be the perfect time to impersonate the seer, but then again... She could be Ferny, but then again... And in the end she kind of apologies for trying to make us feel worse about Lom.
That wouldn't make sense. I think it'd be more important to kill the seer first and concentrate on finding Frodo only afterwards. Either the wolves didn't figure she was the seer or had a reason to leave her alive, which seems unlikely given that she was suspecting at least two of them.

I'll make the case against Mira again at some point. Not right now because I don't have enough time, but during this day.
I'd also like to have a look at Lari.

As for yesterday...

While it's true Fea's innocence looks bad for Rikae and Legate, also Fea looked quite evil, so for now I'm not going to hold it against them.

And if you don't vote for two days in a row, you get modkilled. I think a random vote is better than to risk getting killed the following day if something happens that keeps you from voting.

Argh I should probably just go take a nap or I'll be totally useless also later.
The good thing is, though, that today was my last schoolday (now there are only some exams left, the most important of which are not even close yet). This means I'll be much less stressed and might actually have time to play properly.

Now I want to have a quick look at the previous days' voting.

12 votes in 3 days and yet alive - and now I will probably be wraith-killed soon. What an end. :rolleyes:

And I was so looking forward to feuding with Legate toDay. :p

When I read that Frodo was turned I was going to do the "told ya" thing about the importance of lynching a wraith early. Now that we do have two of them, it looks a lot better. We also have two Days to contemplate who the third original wraith is, and by the end of that time span, Fraitho has probably done something to incriminate himself.

Wait... the wraiths probably went after somebody who looked seerish. Maybe we can find a lead to Frodo by looking at who looked seerish yesterDay. Then again, with Brinn and Sally high on her list with little reason, who looked more seerish than our actual seer? Well, we'll see.

As a quasi-known innocent I should try to give a lot of input toDay. I'll be away for some time and I'm still sick, but I'll give my best.

This is good news! Nice work, Lommy, and I think you did the right thing (sure, revealing after Brinn and Sally had a chance to talk a little would have been slightly better, but they've already done quite a bit of talking while thinking they were safe).
I thought the wraiths would have used the Durelin-wagon to their advantage, and so they did.
I hope Brinn's edgy posts of Day 1 were genuine, and not a wraithish plot, since that would be quite un-sporting. (I've been accused of that type of play, but I never actually did it. Wolves have feelings, too!)

The latter possibility reminds me of the time Legate's attempt to distance himself from me as a fellow wolf led innocent Mac to send a PM scolding Legate for being mean to me. :D

Hm, well, one thing I just want to point out at the moment is that, although he's obviously no lynch target for the next couple Days, we shouldn't discount the possibility that Mac is indeed Ferny. I know I said he wasn't, but that was largely based on his failure to pick up my hints that I was a wraith who had been given his name. But on second thought, Mac doesn't tend to be one to look very hard for hints. Fact is, he did engage in Fernyish behavior and is worth keeping an eye on.

Both of us have to go run some errands this morning, so we won't be around for a while (plus, my semester's started, so I won't be participating as much as before from now on, anyway. Guess I'll lose the highest-post-count, then. Oh well.)

EDIT: X'd with Mac.

I just remembered something else I wanted to say about Mac - the reason I think he's worth mentioning at all: he hasn't behaved like an ordo. He's been far more careful than he is as one (and yes, I think he's careful in spite of the celebrated "slips", which were more like hints. That politeness Legate mentioned, I guess.)

That post looked a bit fishy to me, too. Although Greenie as an earlier wolf companion to Sally and Brinn doesn't seem really likely, could she be Frodo?

That reminds me - I thought Agan Frodoish early on. Better take another look.

That's what I thought as well. The thing that makes sense to me besides what you said is only that they would have spotted Frodo, been very certain of him, and decided to kill (wraithise) him before he can reveal to the village.

Mac, you are still looking horribly sinister to me, had I not had the word that you are innocent, believe me, I would have suggested lynching you again. You are behaving horribly fishi-ly. However, after yesterDay, I am not that worried about it, as my suspicions seem to mislead me in this game completely :rolleyes:

EDIT: x-ed with all Rikaes

Oh, jeez. I shouldn't have said what I did above. Now I've gone and messed up our chances of the wraiths making a mistake. Rikae = doof. :rolleyes:

Yeah that's what occurred to me as well.

Anyway I've been looking at the voting but don't really know what I'm trying to achieve, apart from looking at the first day bandwagon where Brinn could have been lynched. I'm not nearly done yet but I have to leave now. So much for napping.

I hope so too.

Oh, that was cute. Good old times... :)

Hmm, now that I think of it, a MacFerny (Scottish) is not as impossible (although, like I said, I am not trusting myself anymore). But, in either case, we should be careful, as when Fea wasn't, somebody is still Ferny - somebody around here, and for certain, somebody far more careful than an average Cobbler (although perhaps he was just lucky that there was Fea around to steal his or her fame :rolleyes: At least in some people's eyes).

EDIT: x-ed since my last post