Wow.. just wow.. soo many Cobblers. Good job Morm, and thanks TP and Fea for a good game.

First time being a Cobbler.. err secret Cobbler and I must say I was most confused as to how to do it right. I was so sure that Nerwen was actually innocent.. when I saw she was a wolf.. I wanted to bang my head against the screen. :P

The thought that we were all cobblers first occurred to me just after day 1. I actually considered starting to drop wolf hints to some players (Legate and Shasta, mainly). :D

My goal was to get lynched on the last day. So if morm hadn't retracted and voted me, I would have retracted him and voted Saucie- it wouldn't have mattered then if Saucie had managed to come back. ;)

Anyway, thanks for a wonderful and very interesting game & narrations, phantom and Fea! And congratulations to morm. :)

Why did I have to die first? :(

Oh man... I hope there will be a good old normal game after this cause this one really confused me.
I was quite sure Nerwen was a wolf so tried to defend her somehow in the beginning, unfortunately failed at that.
Then I actually thought that Boro and Farael were bluffing and so voted for Mac.
And afterwards I really didn't know what to think...figures why?!

Good game everyone, especially Farael, who did a great job as a seer.
In the end it really would have been near to impossible for the 3 gifteds to win this game...and they were actually quite close. :eek:

Truly the phantom is as great as he thinks he is ;)
 

I loved following this game and have to say that all the ordos being cobblers actually made them all play "properly" IE speak out and not worry about own necks. That is probably why you were so successful.


Brilliant utterly brilliant :D

Why didn't you reveal as a Seer on Day 3 then? I've always wondered why all cobblers don't do just that. Day 3 you come out and say "I dreamt of two wolves and it's too much information to keep to myself..." and just name two people that you think are not wolves.

That'll probably push the true seer out of hiding, and if you don't manage to get him lynched that day, the wolves will get to it soon enough!

We were specifically instructed not to do anything crazy so I felt that would qualify as crazy.

Don't be too hard on yourself morm. You had me fooled. I thought you innocent, which is why I voted for you! :D

In which case, I would have been quite happy to leave things as they were. I had it in mind that it might be possible to get myself lynched on the final Day, and even tried to act slightly suspiciously without being too obvious, but everyone resolutely refused to suspect me (which presumably meant that you thought me a Wolf). My original plan, had morm left Legate alive, was to go strongly against him using the argument that the Wolf was probably dead and he was the one doing the killing.

Yes, Nerwen was the only Wolf that I felt reasonably sure about. With Mac, I kept swinging one way and then the other, which is why I didn't vote for him at first, despite feigning suspicion of him. Unfortunately, it served to add to the pressure on him, which seems to have helped convince Farael to dream of him. :(

I had very little doubt that Farael and Boro were telling the truth. It seemed perfectly logical that Farael would dream of me first Night and, despite my best attempts to argue otherwise, I thought his story very plausible. Hence my vote for him. :D

Actually, I was quite concerned about my own neck up until the last two Days. I always think that, unexpected events aside, the best job a Cobbler can do is to survive until the last Day and then try to vote with the Wolf. Although the importnace of having the final vote in this game made that slightly more difficult than normal.

Speaking for myself, I did consider revealing on Day 4 to try to counter your own reveal, but it is quite a difficult thing to pull off and, what with it being New Year's Eve, I just didn't have enough time to make it convincing enough.

That's a fair point. Posing as the Seer might have been construed as suicidal behaviour, which was off limits. Although it might be argued in the alternative that, as long as there was reasonable doubt (and therefore not obviously suicidal), then it was legitimate for a secret Cobbler to pretend to be the Seer.

Ha ha, well what about this then?
Me too.

I admit counting too much on the thought that Mac wouldn't be a wolf thrice in a row. But Mac and Nog's argument on Day 1 looked so pre-planned that I thought it could be possible they were the hunter and ranger and deliberately taking distance. Of course the thought of two teams never occurred to me.

I thought you would have been our safest lynch- I was fairly sure that either Kath or morm was the wolf (my logic said it was morm but intuition that Kath). I have no idea, though, why I never went after you.

Just to satisfy my curiosity, some questions to the phantom.
In the role pm you said we were to appear as innocents but there was one situation in which you could have allowed it to change. What would that situation have been?
And would the game have ended if we had killed the wolf or would we have continued lynching one another?

And to the wolves... Which team killed which person?

I asked him that. He said "Probably."

Well... he said more than that, and it was funny, but you'll have to ask him about the last two thirds of his response.

Maybe rather maniac than megalo :rolleyes:

Seconded. :rolleyes:


Not really. Personally I had a big problem with that and I am sure I played totally unnaturally. Agan, you really spotted something strange on me and/or did you add two and two and guess that we are all cobblers?

Funnily enough, of course, as a Cobbler, I hoped to get you to do that :D As much as I wanted Agan to get people to lynch me, the best on Day 7 or if I survived, then the last day (as seemingly everyone hoped).

Concerning Wolves, I was sure Mac is one from Day 1, later from Day 3 I also thought about Rikae. I thought both Nog and Nerwen innocent. In the last phase, I was quite inclined to think that Morm is a wolf (and I was quite happy that everyone was inclined to trust him), however, there were moments when I was not sure if there could not be anyone else (namely SpM on the Day when Farael revealed himself and Kath later).


No way. If they revealed you lied, you will be lynched and you will be revealed as ORDO - that would be really strange and will probably ruin TP's main purpose, or at least undermine it, as all would wonder why an ordo did such a thing, concluding that TP lies by saying you are an ordo. And the other cobblers, of course, will start to be suspicious.

Anyway, that was a funny game... but phantom, despite the fact I really liked it, I am hereby saying, and I MEAN it, that you will NEVER ever get me to play YOUR game again. NEVER!

And btw great job, Gifteds, especially Farael. If you were not in a village full of cobblers, I am sure you could have won...

Go morm! You brought home the victory for us!

In a way, that's a compliment to the wolves. We all seemed to have managed to be appear so innocent that the cobblers wanted to lynch us. :rolleyes: :D

As a wolf, I was happy that I could take the advantage of being able to do some honest wolf-hunting during the days and appear innocent by it. I was absolutely sure about Nogrod's guilt after his reply to me. It's funny: it seems like I was the only one who wanted to lynch him on Day One because he actually found him wolvish!

Sorry about that.... we didn't really have a clue who to kill in Night Two, and we thought you might have been gifted. The one we tried to kill during Night Three was Eomer, by the way.

Two questions for Nerwen: did you try to kill me because you found me innocentish/seerish or because you thought I was a competing wolf. And who did you attempt to kill the first night?

Last but not least: Kudos to Farael! You and Boro clearly played best in this game!

PS: I knew there was something wrong with Aganzir. Although, considering the fact that there was something wrong with almost everybody, this doesn't seem like a great accomplishment. :D

Indeed! And I find this a bit depressing... :rolleyes:

SPM, you really haven't changed since Rikae's game. ;):D

An interesting game, but it was a pity that the players weren't allowed to reveal their roles to outsiders...

I actually was sure at one point that you were a wolf because I knew the gifted by then and you seemed not cobblerish and therefore must be a wolf. :rolleyes:

Yeah, and you would laugh at us as well! Forget that. One phantom and some sidekicks of his were quite enough.

And one more thing. I am not quite sure if morm's victory is a positive thing for us Cobblers. Yes, a Wolf has won, but I would say we should not celebrate the fact that one Wolf has won, but rather be happy that at least one Wolf remained till the end, otherwise we could already be kicking ourselves what miserable Cobblers we are. The last thing that remains for our professional pride is the fact that at least morm remained alive. :rolleyes:

It's starting to make sense now...

After being lynched on Day1 I just couldn't believe it. Was I playing that badly? I didn't think so. But yes, gathering all those votes from cobblers (and one wolf) that's more understandable. :)

Mac I must agree with you at least on one thing. Your first post screamed wolf to me and I was (maybe too) happy to go after you then. So I was doing some pretty sincere wolf-hunting there as well. And ending with Mac and Rikae as my main candidates wasn't that bad on the basis of Day1. I indeed PM'd Nerwen before being declared dead that she should try to go for the two so I believe Nerwen was behind the attack on Mac on that Night.

I also said to tp that there was something that was overall strange in that voting on Day1. I can now see why that was.


I don't remember reading a game I have dropped early on this enthusiastically! At one point I remember making tallies about voting just to stay on top of things while reading. Sadly I've had very busy days lately and lost much of the suspense of the last Days.


But excellent game indeed! (if sadly short from my part)

A bow to phantom for a genuine idea and to Fea for intriguing narrations.

And Farael sure was phenomenal. Even if I were a wolf I started to symphatise the villagers because of him and Boro. Sadly that was so wrong as there were no other goodies to symphatise. :rolleyes:

Legate!

When you suddenly turned around and retracted to vote for me in the end of the Day1 I almost yelled out "et tu mi Brute!" to my computer as I couldn't believe you could be doing that on those grounds... :D

I can see the point now... :p

Well done!

Yes ;) Actually, I was so convinced the whole Day that you are innocent, that I just yelled "Yay!" at the moment I saw your last post, "Now he made a mistake, this is a good thing to accuse him of! Oh Noggins, Noggins, how could you make such a slip?"

I am really sorry you died that early - but I'm sure you understand. Looking at it from my point of view, an innocent Nogrod who has this close to be lynched, and I am (as I thought) the only Cobbler in the village, and I can do that - now that would be a wonderful thing to do, wouldn't it? :)

You mustn't forget that you hadn't slept the preveous night...

It sure is tempting to try the style I used on the first Day of SPM's game, which is to vote the person you suspect the least
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in cases unlike Farael 's revelation. I'm glad Mac didn't try to impersonate the Seer and did find it odd that Farael wasn't trusted outright for the lack of a competing "Seer".

I'm not sure about the slip you mean... but actually I did blunder badly there. (Okay, just a few hours of sleep and all that) But I really could have saved myself at the last minute by retracking and revoting. I had a minute, well not a whole minute but anyway and I realised it only too late. It was partly due, I think, to the fact that I had made a decision not to vote either Nerwen (my mate) or Shasta (whom I felt bad for his track-record of being always voted on Day1) so I needed to focus on something else which meant throwing in a new candidate - and why not a rival wolf then? But I had one-tracked my mind with this so that I didn't notice my chance when I had the seconds to act (as it would have required a vote for either Nerwen or Shasta... eg. Shasta).

But as I said before: well done. That was a reasonable move from you Legate. But at that time I had no idea that you - and indeed the rest of the village - were cobblers. So thence my reaction then. :D

Well, I meant in this post and the one after that, I really considered it silly that you mentioned Rikae's goodbye words "be good, for goodness' sake" - I was sure it was some momenary lapse of reason from you as an innocent, because basing your vote for her on this (apart from other things) was nonsense, but I thought it a good thing to base my retraction for you on. Of course, by swaying it a little to how it suits me.

Ah yes... the day of my revelation. I had meant on commenting on this, but then I got all caught up on what was happening on the village.

I think I owe y'all an apology 'cos I did not think many pleasant thoughts of most of you that day.... was I ever thinking the whole barrow downs had gone brain-dead!!my oh my... and Legate you helped the wolves more than what you'd know... the day I revealed, and having two "known" ordos, I figured that making sure they were trully ordos was more important than finding the last wolf, as I knew they were likely to be trusted inherently and may have coasted to a win if they had been the cursed. It would've been a toss-up as to whom I'd dream of, Morm or Saucie, but odds are I would've dreamt of Morm as SPM had seem ordo-ish to me.

However, your reasoning for voting me was just awful "I would feel bad for Lynching Macalaure and finding him an ordo while I wouldn't feel as bad voting for Farael and finding him the seer" and so I figured I should probably dream of you as there was something going on :p GAH! you cobblers you

I'm not so sure that it would have spoiled phantom's ruse. There were enough strange things going on, and the likeliest explanation would have been some secret role which would not be revealed to the end. It's a question of where to draw the line. It might be said, for example, that voting for you (a known innocent) would have been against the strictures laid on us, and I even wondered for a moment whether voting for Farael on Day 4 was strictly within the rules (I decided it was, clearly). Causing confusion and trying to get oneself lynched are, depending on the circumstances, two important weapons in a Cobbler's armoury. Indeed, it is hardly surprising that many of us did not excel in our Cobblerdom, given that some of the oft-used Cobbler tactics were simply not available to us.

Well, I can claim to have had a lot of experience as a Cobbler. This must be about my fourth Cobbleresque outing ... although I am not sure if this one really counts. And what is it about me that I am almost always evil if I have a role? Four times a Cobbler, three times a Wolf, once a Hunter and never a Ranger or Seer :(

Well, I certainly felt something strange was going on throughout. All those Wolf-on-Wolf votes! I think that The Might was the only villager never to have voted for a Wolf (with the exception of Rikae, which was unavoidable). Which makes him top Cobbler! :cool: I did wonder at one point whether the Wolves had been instructed that they could only vote Wolf-on-Wolf, but there were some votes (only some, mind) which didn't fit that theory. But it made the voting record very unreliable and so made Wolf spotting even more difficult.

Clearly that's the standard Cobblery approach. The problem I found (and it was particularly acute in this game) was that, every time I tried to come up with arguments to suspect someone that I thought innocent, they ended up looking quite plausible, leading me to doubt my original conclusion and start believing the person that I originally thought innocent to be a Wolf (that happened with my views on Mac a few times).

Teehee. I did feel quite bad about my vote ... for about a second. ;)

Saucie you are trully, fully and verily evil....ly

STARTING ROLES

WW TEAM 1- Nogrod & Nerwen
WW TEAM 2- Mac & Rikae
SEER- Farael
RANGER- Boromir
HUNTER- Valier
COBBLERS- Aganzir, Azaelia, Eomer, Isabellkya, Kath, Legate, morm, Shasta, The Might, SPM

GAME SUMMARY

NIGHT 1
Farael's dream = SPM, appears Innocent (actually Secret Cobbler)

DAY 1
Lynch = Nogrod, Werewolf

NIGHT 2
Farael's dream = Boromir, Ranger
Boromir protects = Farael, Seer
Nog/Nerwen kill choice = Rikae, Werewolf
Mak/Rikae kill choice = Shasta, Secret Cobbler
Actual kill = Shasta, Secret Cobbler

DAY 2
Lynch = Valier, Hunter
Hunter Choice = morm, Secret Cobbler
Killed by participation rule = Azaelia, Secret Cobbler

NIGHT 3
Farael's dream = Mac, Werewolf
Boromir protects = Mac, Werewolf
Nerwen kill choice = Mac, Werewolf
Mac/Rikae kill choice = Eomer, Secret Cobbler
Actual kill = Mac, Werewolf (protected by Boromir so no death)

DAY 3
Lynch = Nerwen, Werewolf

NIGHT 4
Farael's dream = Rikae, Werewolf
Boromir protects = Farael, Seer
Mac/Rikae kill choice = morm, Secret Cobbler (Cursed)
Actual kill = morm joins Werewolf team

DAY 4
Lynch = Mac, Werewolf

NIGHT 5
Farael's dream = Legate, appears innocent (actually Secret Cobbler)
Boromir protects = doesn't matter
Rikae/morm kill choice = Boromir, Ranger

DAY 5
Lynch = Rikae, Werewolf

NIGHT 6
Farael's dream = Eomer, appears innocent (actually Secret Cobbler)
morm kill choice = Farael, Seer

DAY 6
Lynch = The Might

NIGHT 7
morm kill choice = Eomer, Secret Cobbler

DAY 7
Lynch = Isabellkya, Secret Cobbler

NIGHT 8
morm kill choice = Legate, Secret Cobbler

DAY 8
Lynch = Aganzir, Secret Cobbler

NIGHT 9
morm kill choice = SPM, Secret Cobbler

ENDGAME
morm kills Kath, Secret Cobbler

Heh heh. Yeah, someone has to, and it always stinks for them.

But remember, I told you when you died that it was actually a good thing in disguise. Now do you see why?

The night you died, Nog and Nerwen chose to attack Rikae- another WW! Your death saved her neck.
If one of the gifteds went and violated the participation rule, I would have authorized a random Cobbler to do anything he/she pleased.
You should have pmed me, Volo. If you would have sworn yourself to absolute secrecy I would have let you in on the joke.

Great play from everyone, by the way! You cannot believe how amazing it was to watch the action with full knowledge of roles.

Yes, I put Mac and Rikae together on purpose.

Yes, morm was Cursed from the beginning. However, if the WWs would have selected someone else that night I was going to flip a coin to see if that person would be the new Cursed.

I had Farael and Boromir "survive" the game partly because a Cobbler broke the participation rule.

And don't feel too bad, Azaelia. Your timing mistake was an honest one, and quite frankly I would've been disappointed if I was not given a chance to dispatch someone with Mod-fire. I did it to Lhuna in the first game I modded, and it was fun, and I was itching to do it again.

And special thanks to Fea. My schedule got crazy a few times, and I could not have made it through the game without her. And even if I could have, I still would have wanted her to write for me.

Excellent job!

*clap clap clap*

I never thought you were a wolf but you were certainly strange- in a cobblerish way. What made me sure was when you said I wasn't suspicious. ;) (I'm not sure if you thought I might be a wolf. It was mostly the way you said it.)
I thought it unlikely that there would be two cobblers and, as there had been other weird persons as well, the idea that we all were just occurred to me and seemed to make so much sense.

I was quite sure Farael was going to dream of you but I was hoping the wolves would kill him. My intent was to make also myself look bad by wanting so vocally to lynch an innocent when there were quite few days left to find the last wolf.

:D That's why I kept labelling Rikae innocent (even with the risk of her being a gifted).

Hi everyone. Good game. I really enjoyed most of it (though I must admit my interest lessened when roles were not discovered on death).

Very unique idea, phantom. I like the whole Ulmo story.

I'm very relieved most of my theories, thoughts and brilliant plans were never made public and only discussed in private. The mods and audience would have been even more amused about our cluelessness (and at times, excitement because we seriously believed we'd figured it out). No, I am not going to share.

Good game everyone.

Yours,

Eomer's "little bird"

Greetings, all! I just got back from a trip and I've been reading through all the posts. I do think it's funny that the fact that just about everyone was evil actually facilitated wolf-hunting in the first part of the game!

We suspected you and Rikae on Day 1. I saw no reason to change my suspicions as the game unfolded– however, the strange way other people were acting led me to believe we had at least a couple of secret cobblers (though I never realized it was everybody). I guessed Farael was the Seer– which is why I tried to get on side with him. I meant to leave him alive until I'd dealt with the other team.

Ah, well. Best laid plans...