Alright, a general point:

If Sally and Lottie are the two rangers and both have confessed their roles to Nienna, then I do believe they're innocent, and our wolves are Kath, Gwath and Nerwen.

If the role Sally and Lottie "have in common" according to Nienna is ordo, and Nienna is the gifted Sally hints at being in the lot, then they're just having a show around and at least some of them are guilty.

And if I understand the rules correctly, Nienna isn't forbidden to tell me now on the thread what Sally and Loslote claim to be. Or is she? She should have a complete freedom to claim what others have said in PMs as long as she's not quoting.


edit: xed with Nienna

Nienna, I'm thinking. (Mostly about Kath's part in this.)

It doesn't completely add up in my head. We should have a dead ranger by now if we are talking about the same thing. Or then someone is working really hard to stay in some other people's good books.

Well at least I'm currently thinking Nerwen would be the safest lynch because more or less in every scenario I can come up with she's a wolf.

I'm starting to think I agree with you on this one.

How do you figure?

Now ignoring all that has been said lately for a moment and making a conclusion just based on my research:

Gwath - has been quiet, my gut-feeling of him is good but there's no evidence one way or another
Kath - has been quiet and non-committal, little evidence for guilt or innocnce and very little connections with others
Loslote - has done fishy stuff
Nerwen - a tad unlikely fellows with Gwath
Nienna - would be a really bold wolf (joining a bandwagon against a fellow and killing a person who suspects her on Night2)
Sally - would be a really bold wolf (joining a bandwagon against a fellow and killing a person who suspects her on Night2


edit: xed with Nienna x2

A bit overconfident aren't you? :p

You, Sally, Loslote and Kath have seemingly been discussing rangers. You can't all be innocent because there are only three innocents besides me. If a wolf knows the identity of a ranger, it would be probable the ranger is dead. Unless the wolf was trying to look innocent, or the wolf wasn't involved in the ranger discussion, or there was no ranger discussion at all.

Anyway, my current list looks like this -
innocent: Lommy, Nienna and Sally
two wolves and one innocent: Loslote, Gwath and Kath
wolf: Nerwen

PS. Nienna and Sally, if you are wolves, you actually deserve to win.


edit: xed with Sally - well I was quite certain you'd lynch me because 4/6 fellow villagers had expressed suspicion in me, but now it looks a bit better (possibly also because I'm less confused now)

Sally: What are you thinking?

Lommy: Kath, Sally, and Lottie all know at least one Ranger

So either there is a wolf among you four that is sort of bluffing the others, or then you people are not being honest with me (which means there is a wolvish ploy involved).

Kath would only be one that is a possible wolf.

I'm on for very little time.

Nerwen is one of my top suspicions. Lommy, I haven't stopped suspecting you, but you could be ordo. Gwath could also be a wolf. Kath I don't think is a wolf, but I could very easily be wrong.

I agree that we should lynch Nerwen toDay. I think we can probably hope to get a wolf in her.

Then she is one.

... I know you can't take my word for it, but at least you've clarified it for me.

Or then you're fooling me.

But the options look clearer now.


edit: xed with Loslote - you do understand you have to make the total of three wolves, right?

Ok, I'm back now.

Opinions Gwath?

*is looking forward to seeing Gwath posting*

edit: xed with Nienna, again and notifying - I'll be gone for a while now but I'll be back soon so won't reply anything instantly

The way I see things:

Innocent
Nienna
Sally
Lottie
Possible Wolves
Gwath?
Lommy?
Kath?
Wolf
Nerwen

Nerwen is the one I'd be willing to vote for toDay. Gwath, Lommy, and Kath I don't know for a fact at all, and I'm not going to risk toDay's lynch on a hunch.

edit: xed with Nienna and Lommy

All right. I've got to run. I'll be back in an hour to catch up but then I'm going to need to vote. I anxiously await many many posts from Gwath and Kath.

On what?

I'll not be on again before deadline. So here are my votes:

++ Captain Sally

++ Night Guard Nienna

++ lynch Nerwen

Good luck, all! Don't kill an ordo!

For real? We are essentially calling you a wolf. Ok really leaving now.

I'll tell you right now I'm concerned about the complicity being apparently enjoyed by Sally, Nienna, Loslote, and maybe Lommy, too. The extent to which they all seem to be "in" with each other really makes me uneasy, because it looks so...conspiratorial. I know I'm paranoid (I'm a sucker for Templar conspiracy theories) but I don't like things going on behind the scenes and I don't like it when too many people seem to be of one mind. In my opinion, a healthy village is one with checks and balances where the players disagree, because that's how bad ideas get eliminated. Maybe said players have simply moved beyond that to a point of consensus - but nonetheless, I'm not interested in taking anybody's word for anything; I want to be able to judge a player based on what I've seen and heard.

[Crossed with Loslote and Nienna - oh WOW]

Sorry, I missed that part.

On anything, Gwathagor. :)

edit: xed with the man himself

I don't know.

Sally is looking like either very innocent or very evil, as in, diabolical ringleader sort of evil. Not a good time for me to be torn, hmph.

Because it seems like she's certainly got all her ducks in a row (heheh), meaning Loslote and Nienna.

There is a simple answer to that question...
I think that is one of the oldest WW-rules: no quotes in any case, of any stuff, from outside the game-thread...

It was just that with all this PM'ing going on I thought I needed to remind people of it stating it in the rules.

Gwath, I think Nienna is more of a ringleader.

Anyway, it seems to me that the best course of action for toDay is lynch-vote Nerwen, guard-vote Nienna and captain-vote Sally. I want Nienna and Sally to be protected because they are the most innocent to me, but also the most widely considered innocent and thus the safest wolf targets.

And as for Nerwen, I've said it before, but in more or less any scenario I can think of, she is a wolf. Congrats for fooling me quite well this far, but you can thank Greenie whose judgement on you I trusted, for unknown reasons.

Now the question remains, should I vote that and go to sleep now, or stay here (possibly entertained by msn and art history meanwhile).

I'm too tired to think of ww or study.

For good or bad, let it be for toDay:

++lynch Nerwen

++captain Sally

++guard Nienna

I do hope we make a right decision toDay, and if not, well, we suffer the consequences and that's it.

Good night!

I'm back if anyone has any last minute questions/comments before I vote.

Interestingly, I'm uncomfortable with all those options. I can't vote to lynch Nerwen in good conscience because as far as I can tell, she's been fairly helpful, at least early on in the game, and because I have yet to see any actual evidence against her. She could be a wolf, but we'd basically be lynching her on the word of Sally and Nienna - and I should also point out that we're also taking their word that they are innocent. I disagree that they are "the most widely considered innocent" - they've only been proclaimed innocent by the Sally-Nienna-Loslote club. If one just looks at what has actually been said on the thread, all unsubstantiated claims of innocence aside, all that conspiratorial "code-crap" from the beginning of the Day makes either Nienna or Sally look really suspicious to me. It scares me.

Hi, hi, hi - sorry for missing so much of the Day (again!). I've spent the whole Day in London with Rune!

I've read through. Now, I'm absolutely happy to believe in Nienna's innocence. I'm not so happy to believe in sally or Lottie's. Lottie's the least simply because I haven't actually had a chance to talk to her at all and because over the Days she is the one out of the two that I have actually found things to worry about.

Nienna, it's clear that you think the two are innocent, and that you can't give explicit reasons why, but it isn't inconceivable that you have the wrong opinion on one of them. Being innocent (in my view) doesn't make your opinions more likely to be right.

You know why they aren't lynching you, Lommy? Because you changed your mind. You'll notice that the moment you began to agree with them, they dropped all suspicion of you. Sally, Loslote, Nienna. All of them.

I'm sorry Gwath if we are being scary. We are actually not a scary bunch.

We were being conspiratorial because we don't want to talk about roles out-right. But I believe its not that difficult to discern.

She is either being a good innocent or a smart wolf. Either way she has talked herself out of a lynch and if she is an innocent (we should mention that she is the only person--other than Me, Sally, and Lottie--who is proclaiming her innocence) then this is very very good. If she and Nerwen are wolves then we have time to catch her. If Nerwen is the last innocent then she didn't try at all to convince us and gave up on the safety of the village.

Kath!!! I have to vote really super soon. What thinks you about Nerwen?

You've got a lot of talking to do.

Ok gotta go sit in class for a really long time. I really hope we are right.

++Nerwen

++Captain Sally

++NG Nienna

Look, Nienna. ONE of you is a wolf. In WW, in any ostensible category or group, it's never all innocents or all wolves. There's always one mixed in with the others, which is why I'm hesitant to write you all off. But I know that one of you has to bad. This is why I hesitate to trust any of you, because I'm guessing that you're all being cleverly manipulated.