If you want to know, when I saw Greenie say she was eating, or going to eat, a carrot, I thought "Hey, carrots are known to help eyesight! It's code! Eyesight = seeing, seeing = seer. Greenie = seer!" At which point I stupidly replied with my own vegetable of choice, and added in some words of Gollum for no particular reason. Yes, that's the truth. I should not have brought any attention to it, if there was a chance she was really the seer. Luckily I think I was plain wrong.

I did think about the ranger today, but didn't want to mention it, because I didn't see the point of bringing it up. I said we shouldn't sit on our hands, meaning we'd still better figure it out.


Since Sally had already been mentioned, Brinn could have considered her a lost cause and put her on the list so that we would ask your very question. It almost cinches a Sally lynch tonight, giving everyone else another day. Who knows, maybe Sally doesn't have the time to play anyway? She hasn't been posting a whole lot.

And I wanted to add:

Before it gets lost on the previous page, we should consider Rikae's idea of lynching Brinn tonight instead of Sally, if we can be sure Brinn is the impostor.

That's exactly the truth. We have to, most of all, bear in mind that Lommy - even if Brinn would be speaking the truth - would be Ferny, not a Wraith. It will be quite reckless to tell a name of a Wolf just to make herself a Seer. Unless it was a mistake, but such a luck? Again? When Brinn would have just dreamed of Sally? That stretches it almost beyond possibility.

Let us not forget, though, that apart from Sally and Brinn, there would be yet another person to advise Mr. Underhill. But it is true that this idea is really not bad - I would go for it, actually. Only, it means discarding the possibility of the Wolves in (vain) hope leaving Lommy alive for the next Night, hoping that toMorrow might turn in the favor of Brinn and Lommy would be lynched (though, okay, not likely they would do that anyway - too dangerous).

Eexactly.

EDIT: Haha. I x-ed with Rune. Precisely, because when I posted my post and it appeared, Rune's post was already there too, just below mine. I like that.

Alright, it is probably the flu rather than a simple cold, so i am not getting home tonight. . . I guess I will just vote Sally as both our seer's agree on her.

I am very sorry about being of no help today.

If Brinn is a wraith, then I am rather impressed with the fact that she decided to sell out Sally just like that.

++Sally

Yes, I'd like to lynch Brinn too, because she makes me feel cursed. This is the third time I'm the seer and the third time one of the wolves tries a desperate counter-reveal. (Brinn might use some advice from Noggie though... back in my first seer game, when no one believed him, he said: "happily I'm not a gifted, so you can lynch me". :D Wouldn't you like that, Brinn? ;)) Besides, Brinn's fake reveal gives me headache. Not because I'm afraid people won't believe me or something like that (Brinn's lie won't get her far) but I'm just wondering what if our ranger is one of those individuals who are unsure? That could be a disaster. So there's one more reason to lynch Brinn now.

++Brinn

About sally... yes she's an ordinary wraith. (Besides, why wouldn't she be? I caught her because she was acting fishily with Brinn and she wouldn't have done that if she was the RB. Besides I have a far better idea of the RB's identity anyway.) Well, lastly, if you look at her comment, it doesn't even look like a RB comment to me. At least I did not take it as such when I read it, (but then again, I knew she was not the RB).

Okay now I'll see if there are any individual quotes I need to reply to... and everybody (even Brinn :p), if you have questions for me, just ask...


edit: xed with Rune and Legate

Yep, truly. What is the voting looking like now? I would probably like to retract to Brinn, and anyway, toMorrow we are going to choose between the two of them - so why not toDay.

What else could she do? Claim her innocent and she'd fall with her anyway? The only way Sally would not have been doomed is if she had made a third "reveal". (I'd have loved that. :D)

edit: xed with Legazzone

I'm not sure what to think of the revels. Mostly because both of them convienently list two known dead innocents and the other in their lists of "dreams".

Then there is Sally. Who has pretty much given up considering that she knows she is probably going to be lynched. While she did leave the comment in her post about rings, would it be so impossible for the wolves/wraiths to turn Frodo and then throw Frodo to us in a way to save themselves?

Just thoughts.

I have to do my reading for tomorrow and celebrate submitting my last grad school application.

Macalaure is dead? :eek::p;)

Hmm, a wolfy slip, p'haps? ;) :p :D

I'm definitely prepared to retract my vote and choose Brinn instead. I'll wait till later just to be sure, before I lock in my vote.

Oh my, Agan. Looks like I have my work cut out for me. :eek:

I will admit, on Day 1 I was quick to defend Fea and Lari, but that was due to RL attachments. You'll notice that I've been working on not doing that anymore, even going so far as to flat-out say that I will throw either of them under the bus if I think they're guilty.

I highly enjoy making deceiving and/or sarcastic comments. Make of that what you will.


You would be correct. ^_^

Honestly, on Day 1 I didn't have much analytic reason to lynch anybody. At that point I was going with my gut feelings, which in that case turned out to be wrong.

Because Brinn and I aren't wolves together? :D

That would imply that I knew Gollum was innocent. I do have a tendency of overreacting and generally try to take some time to cool off before saying anything (both here and in RL) but was a little hyped up, what with it being so close to deadline and all and didn't take that time that I usually do. The way I reacted to Rune's comment yesterDay should prove that.

See, that didn't occur to me at the time, being a newbie. Not a newbie-wolf, mind you, but just a newbie.

Although my reasoning may not have been the best, it was close to deadline and I didn't have anybody that I felt would be a better lynch candidate. And yes, I did think mine would be the second vote for Durelin and was rather surprised when I checked the cross posts to see more votes for her.

While it is true that I was suspicious of Rune because of the way he treated Fea, it wasn't because I was convinced of Fea's guilt. I never know what to think about her, even when we're not playing together and I know her role. It just seemed weird to me that he was defending her so vehemently with no apparent reason.

Sorry about that. Classes and whatnot. :p

I'll be back in a few hours to do some more contributing before deadline.

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Eek you caught me!

Rikae's suggestion to lynch Brinn is a good one. I thought about it too but she managed to post first. I don't think it makes much difference which one of them gets to chat one night more, but it would be rather uncomfortable if the ranger protected Brinn while the wraiths attacked Lommy.
*scrolls down further and notices Lomz has already said the same*

I don't really understand Menel. First he seems to trust Brinn
and in his next post he says
That's some serious flip-flopping. :p

When I saw his first post I thought it could be a cobbler hint but even then it would be rather obvious. It's just that on our side phrasing.

Greenie is making me laugh but at the same time, I don't know, she scares me. There just seems to be a certain reluctance to state her opinion on who she believes. But I want to go through Greenie's posts before judging her.

What do you mean? That sally is Frodo?

Yep. There is hardly that much to wait for... but well, one just feels better. It's this "what if..." But I will vote her anyway.

I wouldn't call it that bad, I think Menel is behaving genuinely and quite reasonably. Carefully. At least I am inclined not to suspect him.

I took it the way she did not read, or understand, what has been said properly.

Yeah well it's impossible now that Mira and Lari were both wolves so those parts in my analysis could be erased as well.

So now you should understand why Rune said that having played with him earlier would give one an advantage. Someone unfamiliar with your playing style could easily suspect you because of that overreacting. ;)

And actually your reasons didn't even depend on her guilt. Rune could as well be a wolf who was trying to buddy up with an innocent / possible cobbler. But then again he just likes playing with Fea.

Okay I'm starting to feel better about Mira. But at the same time I'm afraid of making the Gollum mistake (he was a newbie wolf and I suspected him heavily but lessened my suspicions the moment he bothered to respond to my accusations properly. It was a mistake I paid for with my life), ie I don't want to forget all about her, either.

Hmm I wonder if it tells something about me that I always go after newbies...

Unless...both Lommy and Brinn are wraiths/ferny/bad, working together. Is that possible? It doesn't make sense, since only one of them is likely to last the next two nights, unless Sally is passed over twice in favour of someone deemed more dangerous. It would be a pretty devious plan.

Hmm, now I took a look at the voting (to determine how many people might retract for Brinn, or how many won't probably come back), and you know what is funny? We were pretty stupid, as, unless I overlooked something, Brinn started the voting herself. And we just blindly followed (of course, it makes basically no difference if we vote one wolf or the other, but still, I guess we - at least me - did not stop much to even think whether we could have voted otherwise).

Just for those curious ones:

Brinn => Sally (Sally 1)
Menel => Sally (Sally 2)
Rikae => Sally (Sally 3)
Nerwen => Sally (Sally 4)
Mahatma => Sally (Sally 5)
Legate => Sally (Sally 6)
Greenster => Sally (Sally 7)
Rune => Sally (Sally 8)
Lommy => Brinn (Sally 8, Brinn 1)

I thought about that in the very origin, but it is just senseless. If they are both impersonators, they will both end up dead eventually, and very soon. And one Sally is not worth it anyway. (And count into it what Sally said: that she is the Ringbearer. This way, she admitted that she is not an ordo, too - that she is a wraith now; whether she would lie about being RB or not. There would be three of them revealed. Not worth it at all.)

I didn't call it bad, I just said I don't understand what made him change his mind like that. :p

I wasn't sure whether she hadn't understood it or I didn't understand her.

Berry, if they all were wolves, it would leave only one alive. And it'd be quite, well, unnecessary to sacrifice so many of them. Also, in that case there'd still be the real seer watching out for them. So I highly doubt they'd do it. :p

No, it has been shown (see Kitanna's post at #619) that Sally is definitely not the Ringbearer, and just said that to confuse the village. Also, perhaps, in the hope that we would overlook connections between her and the third original wraith on earlier Days.

EDIT: X'd since Legate at #654.

Errr ok I reread sally's post and got why you thought she was Frodo. I must not have been paying very much attention to her post, I'm afraid. :D

Yes. You guys gave me a horrible headache yesterDay by trying to get both my known innocents lynched. I was really unsure how much I should defend Fea and I was not even convinced myself about her un-Fernyness. (In fact, at one point I was sure she was Ferny, she had done that Durelin-fiasco just to look so suspicious that she'd be dreamt of and then she'd manage to draw out the seer by seeing who comes to defend her on the following Day... and I cursed myself for being stupid enough to sort of defend her although I had not fallen on the "trap" since I had dreamt of Fea earlier... I'm really glad that scenario isn't true.)

*raises an eyebrow* I don't? Check. On my Day2 summary, I used the word "simply" in the descriptions of my opinions of my dream subjects and not when describing anyone else. YesterDay, all my seer dreams were "gut-feelings" unlike everyhting else (even my real gut-feelings were just "feelings".) Were you as considerate in your phrasings to leave the village a message in case you get killed at Night? :Merisu:

I would consider it, for sure.

Yes, at least for a Night1 pick because I'm always so transparent (except in the game where I was wolves with tp :cool: ). I mean, a village with people as confusing as Fea, Mac, Nerwen, Aganzir and Greenie, you'd pick me as Night1 dream? Silly, I say.


edit: xed since my last

(I had to look a while before I found myself on Legate's list. :p)

Oh my, didn't realize so many had cast in. We can still change though, easy.

But this voting Brinn looks good. I suggest we go for it. Indeed, my friend Mohandas Karamchand ;) there is enough of us who may retract and change the lynchee, and even more who haven't voted yet.

--Sally

++Brinn

And I like Lommy's post. And makes me even more convinced who is the real Seer here.

:D Sorry love.

Bah I was supposed to say "without any provocation, at least." Apparently I forgot it. :p

++Brinn

I feel like going through Lari's posts but I know I don't have enough energy for a massive analysis now so maybe I'd just better not do it yet. Besides I might want to go to sleep soonish, anyway.

You did - I just didn't quote that. ;)

Ugh. I'm glad my 0% guilty voting record didn't result in Mac's dismissal. If you're right then I hope he forgives me, though he could still be Ferny...

I hope I'm not wrong for once when I do this:

--Sally

++Brinn


Voting earlier in case it helps sway more voters. *shrugs* I don't think I'll want to change it again anyway.

You're twisting the truth - you put a period at the end of the sentence so I thought it had really ended there. :p

Berry you couldn't change it even if you wished. We're limited to one retraction per day if I remember correctly.

I didn't. You said that in another sentence. ;)

Hmph I should probably go to sleep when I start forgetting my own words.

Announcement: I might not be able to get to a computer toMorrow (see admin thread). And maybe not the rest of toDay either.

Anyway... the plan of changing the lynch to Brinn has merit... I'm thinking about it.

My thoughts on people.

satansaloser2005 - a Wraith since the very beginning
Lariren Shadow - now I have to look at these two newbies...
Mirandir - ...more closely. My main problem with them is, though, that I don't know what to expect from them. I haven't seen them playing yet. So I don't know if when they say something which looks fishy, if it really is, or if it is just their way of posting.
Thinlómien - Seer
Legate of Amon Lanc - me. Innocent.
Rikae - she seems innocent to me. However, me and her agree in so many things, and she seems so fast, no, better word, so easy to agree on what is "right" (lynching Fea *ahem it seemed right at the moment*, lynching sally, lynching Brinn...) that I wonder if it is not calculated. But, well. Just keeping an eye out...
Aganzir - I am inclined to believe her innocent. She behaves genuinely, posts helpfully and sensibly, not seeming to deliberately do anything which would be harmful for the village.
Beregond - sort of similar to Lari&Mira in the sense that sometimes I don't know. I can sort of relate to his style, and I can see many of his reactions as genuine, although I can see his sort of newbi-ish "oh, yes, sorry, I didn't see that" and "oh, yes, let's do that" as perhaps a thing a newbie Wolf might do as well, try not to stick out of the crowd, but...
Nerwen - I have a rather neutral feeling about her, i.e. nothing to consider her suspicious for, but at the same time not that she would seem significantly active or helpful to me.
Rune Son of Bjarne - not sure, at times I think him innocent from the way he behaves, but I can as well imagine him being guilty. I was thinking about how Brinn put him on her list - now this is always double-edged from a wolf, it may be one way or the other - and also what Sally said about him. But perhaps it's an attempt to make us center on him.
Macalaure - innocent, according to the Seer. Unless being a Ferny or something.
Meneltarmacil - I think he is innocent. Like I said, his behavior seems genuine and quite sensible in its own way.
A Little Green - seems innocent, although I cannot get a very good read on her. She is rather slipping under my radar, but at moments, she gives innocentish feeling.
Brinniel - Wraith. Lynch her.

I won't make a complete list but I will say just a word or two in case I manage to die toNight.

Brinn and sally are wolves and Mac is innocent. (Okay, surprise surprise. :D) I would be, after some pondering, be inclined to think Legate, Rikae, Aganzir , Nerwen and Rune innocent too. (I would not rule out the possibility of A or L being Ferny, though, but it seems unlikely. And I see I put quite many people in there... hmm.. might be likely that someone of them is just fooling me brilliantly.)

Of the rest, I won't say more, except that I think one of them is Underhill and of the rest of them I have no idea. I wouldn't be surprised if the other surviving wraith was among them too.

Or maybe because you also thought Mac was Ferny (as many people thought at the time)?


--Sally

++Brinn

You know, listening to Lommy and lynching me is probably the dumbest thing you could do. Do you really want to lynch your seer? Then again, this entire village has been so blind this far with the losses of Fea and Durelin, I guess it isn't all that surprising that you're about to yet again make another mistake and lynch me. :rolleyes:

Btw, just because Lommy revealed first, doesn't make her at all more believable. Seriously, if you all think that, it's the perfect scheme a baddie could come up with.

Sorry, but I don't see how these are valid hints. I use phrasings like that all the time. Of course I'm sure you had this planned out. What a great job you've done so far for the wraiths...you've certainly distracted the entire village for the entire Day, plus you're about to get the real seer lynched.

And anyways, how very inconsiderate of you all to decide to lynch your seer when she's away.. :(

Ugh, this village is being quite ridiculous. You all bandwagon with the first idea someone has in mind which is the worst thing you can do. I don't know why you'd prefer to risk lynching me rather than vote a known wraith...though I'm sure there's at least one, if not both wraiths are behind this sudden bandwagon. If you keep this up, we will most certainly lose.

I hate to gloat, Brinn, since, as I said, I admire your spirit (and feel a bit bad for you - it sucks to be seer-dreamt) - however:

Both? There are four, and you only "dreamed of" one. :p

What is it that looks so sinister about me? That I think it's fun that I escaped death narrowly thrice now? Of course I enjoy that! It's the thrill about this game!


Anyway, I definitely believe Lommy and not Brinn. I'd much rather lynch Brinn toDay, simply because she annoyed me by making me think she's innocent all the time.

If you want me, come and claim me! :p

Nope. :D

Since it looks like I'm a goner anyway, I might as well share some thoughts so my death won't be completely pointless. I'm feeling rather bitter about the village's foolishness, but I want to put that aside. Anyway, I really hope the mods won't make seer again anytime soon as I'm finding this completely stressful:

Sounds like something a wolf would say in order to get on Lommy's good side.
This sounds like a smart comment. I would most certainly look at those who went with the flow to keep unnoticed. It's more likely Legate and Rikae are innocent and kept alive to become potential targets.
I still find this statement poorly said. Do you care to attempt to further explain, Agan?
The "taking a closer look" part was somewhat of a hint, though the sleep part simply had to do with RL.
I'm sure the wraiths would want Sally to look like she was the RB so that everyone else would stop looking for Frodo.
This is an extremely safe comment and inaccurate and possibly wolfish.

Mirandir's defense looks fairly innocent.

Seems like an easy way to bandwagon.

It wasn't a slip...there are two wraiths and one RingBearer. Seriously, you're picking apart my words just so you can find a better excuse after your suspiciously bandwagoning vote. :rolleyes:

You mean that bandwagon I started earlier toDay?

It's kind of ironic... I was hoping you were the real seer. :p