Might as well go ahead....

++Tum

I said why in the post. :rolleyes:
There was no way that was a sincere seer hint. No real seer - except maybe a total newbie - but certainly not a Mac-seer would be so clumsy.

the phantom...dun dun duuuuun
 

Day 1

6 - Comments on how many roles there are and how formulating plans will be difficult. Wants to watch SPM.
There's really nothing suspicious about this, but it rubs me the wrong way for some reason. Willing to chalk it up to phantom being phantom, though.
8 - Banters with Lottie regarding lynching her. Normally not suspicious, but the wording gives me pause.
The only reason to not have plans to lynch someone is because you're furry and they're furry. Or you know something the rest of us don't, which is highly unlikely this early in the game.
10 - More banter with Lottie. Nothing worrisome though.
12 - Goes to bed.
34 - Responds to Foley This could very well just be my impression, but he has been acting less silly than usual...Maybe he actually took it to heart?
Also sarcastically agrees with Rikae about lynching the seer.
34 - phantom's ego responds to Inzil.
47 - 51 - Responds to Nerwen re: Zeus' allegiance. Says if Hera dies, Zeus sides with the village since he isn't furry. Also asks for clarification that that holds true for the other non-WW lovers.
54 - More Lover talk. Says surviving one can't win as lover, so can do whatever they please after partner dies (including off themselves). Insert Romeo and Juliet analogy here.
While not overly stoked on how much of Day 1 was spent talking about the lovers, there's no doubt that we have a tendency as a group to latch on to things like a dog (wolf?) with a bone for much longer than really necessary. As such, I don't particularly find the people who perpetuated the conversation suspicious, as there wasn't really anything else going on to distract from at the time.
57 - Defends Romeo and Juliet analogy as not meant to be true to the original tale and just for demonstration purposes.
As a fairly well educated young man (heh) I find it hard to believe that this was an innocent slip, but can't figure out what it would mean if it's not, especially since player gender aren't tied to their character genders.
71 - Responds to Nog's concerns about the lovers forming an alliance and thus voting block:
Nothing overly suspicious about wanting to prevent that particular scenario.
73 - Steve asks what we do if a Seer reveals. Pretty much says depends on what is said.
77 - Re: false Seer revealing. Nog suggests a reveal if the false Seer figures xerself out. Phantom disagrees as would narrow down who the wolves should kill. Reminds that Hera and Hephaestus (both wolves) can dream if lover is killed under right circumstances:
Yadda yadda good point yadda yadda.
81 - Clarifies that last post was in regards to false Seer knowing he was false.
86 - Responds to Rikae about Romeo and Juliet thing being moot since now have mod clarification. Also begins to get a little snarky:
91 - More snarking in Rikae's direction, but nothing much beyond babbling.
106 - Talks with Rikae about peer pressure, villager priorities ("to do what is possible to win"), more false Seer talk this time regarding hints and wolves following them
110 - 221 - returns.
240 - Responds to Rikae's questioning of his intentions in regards to Boro's opening post.
246 - Asks for updated tally and if BG's vote counted (no ++)
251 - Not keen on lynching BG, going to look at Steve, disagrees a lot with Nog.
258 - Thinks Steve is innocent.
261 - Warns everyone against last minute reveals in an attempt to save themselves. Points out that he is NOT suggesting reveal earlier, but instead defend yourself until you can't possibly afford to wait and see what's going to happen.
267 - Suggests to BG that if he was in her position to try to get people to vote for Nog for making arguments he doesn't agree with or Boro for not being around.
Obviously thinking about lynching what is now a known Seer, false or not, is suspicious. However, since phantom didn't look at Boro extensively, he might not have given that consideration.
271 - Asks what happens in case of a tie. Glirdy responds lsat person to receives votes will be lynched.
278 - Likes Nerwen. Takes pity on BG. Votes Steve.
In 258 he says he thinks Steve is innocent. Then he votes him for no apparent reason other than not wanting to jump on the BG wagon. Personally, I'd rather bandwagon than vote for someone I had said was probably innocent.
282 - Points out his own failings. phantom doesn't make mistakes. Who can PM during the Day?
290 - Responds to Nog about Steve.

Based on just Day 1, however, phantom's looking rather sketchy to me. My problem lies mostly with his vote for Steve and his comment following it (282). I still have an issue with him making more sense than usual and not making me have strong homicidal feelings in his general direction, but it has been a while since he played. I'd rather not vote him toDay without getting to go through his Day 2 posts, but if a better option doesn't present itself, I probably will.

Oh, and next time I decide to analyze someone who posts this much, someone please punch me in the mouth. Day 2 will come either later tonight or tomorrow, assuming I'm still alive.

Well, Nogrod has now come back to explain himself... only he kind of hasn't.:rolleyes:

What to make of this? Generally I'd think an experienced wolf would try to answer the points against him– I think they're rather good points, actually– properly, rather than just yelling, "Nyaaah! Wolf yerself! I hate you!" Which I believe largely sums up that post. (#666).

Or is this a tired, cornered Nogwolf giving way to frustration, and hoping he can somehow bluster his way out of trouble? An experienced innocent, you'd think, would try to answer those points too.

Mmmn. It's not easy for me to be objective about him after three Days of this...

He didn't mean "everyone voted for was innocent" but "everyone who was the subject of a major bandwagon was innocent". (That bit he did explain). Still not a great argument, as it rests entirely on everyone else taking his word that he's innocent.

Yes, that sounds more viable.

An odd statement. I've said why her suspicious behaviour could be that of an innocent newbie... but you haven't noticed it at all in the first place? Really?

I don't know what post this is– but pointing possible giftedness doesn't mean so much in this particular game, does it?

Then they need to seek couple counselling ASAP. ...Seriously, where does that come from?

Well, that settles it, then. ÷÷Mac!

EDIT:X'd with a host.

Nerwen, look at my post after that. I headdesked aplenty for that one.

I meant that Tum was a wolf lover and that Lottie was possibly another one. My brain muddled the points when I was making the post and I said that they were lovered to each other, not each a possible lover of a wolf. Sorry about the fail. :o

So I went to do my analysis on Rikae. For the most part she comes across as innocent. And it's my experience that when she comes off innocent she's really a wolf. I also didn't like her votes. She admits that her vote for phantom would be a throw away vote and then does it anyway?

And then Day 2 she does another throw away? Now I'm no experienced player by any stretch of the imagination, but this just seems wrong. I would expect a more experienced player to not throw away their votes two days in a row.

Edit: x-ed with all posts from #682

Um... what about Boro?

EIDT:X'd with Sally and tum.

Sorry, I'd missed that one.

I would like to nominate this game's Nogrod-Nerwen fight for the WW Hall of Fame.

I'd consider staying up late just to watch it. :D

Meh, I figured. Don't worry about it. I did look pretty stupid. ;)

Okay, so who do I wants to vote for. Well, I don't think I want to vote for Nog, just cause he hasn't been around a lot and his last big post actually made me feel better. I don't want to vote Lottie because that's flimsy, I just think she's going after Tum very strongly (though I get the reasons), nothing else really seems so aweful. And pretty much everyone else either just slightly confuses me, or I feel good about, or haven't posted enough. And then there's Tum, who has a nice little pile of stuff against her. It kind of feels like it could maybe turn into a repeat of the last few Days, but there is a lot more solid stuff on her than what we had for the other two, so I suppose it's not exactly the same situation.

So than, since she does look quite bad, I'm going to go with Tum, and hope that this doesn't turn into another disastrous bandwaggon.


++Autume


Now I'm off to bed. Good luck.

x'ed with a couple

But you, Tum, expressed appreciation and understanding of Rikae's motives for that vote at the time, didn't you? :confused:

Ouch. Funny, but...ouch. :)

x/d with all since # 687

Tum, dear, it's kind of difficult to make an influential (that is, non-throwaway) vote in a village that is bandwagoning as much as this one has. You can make a throwaway vote or you can join the bandwagon, and I'm not one to jump on a bandwagon simply because it's there. :rolleyes:

But I think you know that perfectly well, don't you? Nice try, though, wolfiepie.

The appreciation was all fun and games lightheartedness. The understanding was I can see why she's doing it, however I'm not ok with it. If I were ok with it thought than I would've done the same thing myself last night. However I didn't think that would be the right thing to do. I thought it would be better for us as a village to go after a wolf. What good does a throw away vote do us?

Edit: x-ed with Rikae

So why not vote for someone you find slightly suspicious?

Uh huh. And what about when the entire village is going after what looks like an innocent? You think it's better to go along with the village and make yourself less conspicuous, right, Autume? Not so for me. If my vote is meaningless, it might as well make a point (as in Phantom's case) or be funny (self-voting.)

Oh, you mean one of those multiple candidates for lynching we had the last couple Days?
:rolleyes:

You mean like Mac, who you said was your top suspect Day 1, then you voted for BG?

Well if this is less conspicuous you sure could of fooled me. :p

I haven't played enough games with you to know if this is something you do on a normal basis.

Edit: x-ed with Rikae and Inzil

I thought I already hashed this out. If what I did was wrong it was a newbie mistake.

Rikae's insane. We love her for it. <3

EDIT: x'd with Tum's last

No, it isn't. I'm not the one who thinks the point of the game is to be as inconspicuous as possible - that's you.

Then just listen to the people who have. Can you hear them all screaming how guilty I am for not jumping on bandwagons like I always do? That Rikae, she's known for following the crowd and never doing anything unusual! Am I right, folks?
:D

So anyway, since I really would like to focus on people other than Tum...

am I the only one who finds Mac creepy right now?

Rikae hasn't an original thought in her head. She's a very lemming-like player who always hops onto the opinions of others and never breaks away from the group. I don't think I've ever heard her act "out of turn" or "strange" in the thirty-some games (or so) I've played with her over the last two and a half years.

:Merisu:

Oh, and she's incredibly awesome. But that part's actually true. :D

I think this is at least the third game I know of that you've voted for yourself. :rolleyes:

What she said. ;)

x/d with Rikae and Sally

I ought to go back and have a close look at him. I've found it somewhat odd that he refused to vote for Nog last Night, and then they both have seemingly been after Lottie toDay.

Basically what I meant was that I didn't realize I was trying to be inconspicuous. It was just some dry humor that fell flat. What I need is a smiley that falls fat on their face right here. :)

Edit: x-ed with Rikae, Sally, and Zil twice

Hey Obie-phantom, shouldn't you cool your fan-girls a littlle bit? :rolleyes:
Anyway, if that's the level of arguments used let's just call it a day - like I will call it anyway a Day pretty soon.

Heh, no need for your fancy set-ups tp - or any nice triple-bluffs anyone... it's up to how cool you are being perceived as... like politics in the real world! :rolleyes:




Heh... you're quite right in a few points, like experienced, tired and frustrated... and having too little time for these few Days now.

But if you are really able to say that there are some good points, I'd really love to see them. I mean actual points other than annoyed retaliations or Lottie's "I don't like him" (and for the second time, despite your denial, you Lottie said that! word by word). I mean which are the points?

- Your innocence Nerwen? Should I take your word for it - would you take mine? Be what it may, it's something you only know and can't share (and even if I don't push for it right now doesn't mean I have forgotten it totally).
- Eonwë's role was not known by anyone before yesterDay.
- Lottie's "dislike" is no argument.
- Boro may be the false seer (I trusted the other way) but you didn't "know" it any earlier I did - and none of us actuallly know it, even now.
- Being over the top and playing it openly not considering one's own safety is not wolwery - kind of vice versa, but I might be fooling you to be sure.
- You don't know if you'd wish me dead. Happily.

So where are your actual points?

I'd really love to know them. Especially when you like to fly the flag of one who has made points and has not been given answers...


If you had the chance... I'll be off in a minute (6.00AM right now) so sorry to deny you of your fun...

Anything to say now?



As a summmary...

Well I get a bad feeling from Lottie and her voting history is possibly very bad (instead of bad that fits everyone's votes!). And I just get the bad feeling from her. Sorry, no logic on top of what I have said (which is nbot little), but just a malicious feeling on top of all (read the thread to learn about other points))

I'm really at odds with Sally's masterplan (she must be a non-thinking ordo or then a wolf who has been told to suggest that to look like one).

I'm very concerned about the phantom and Rikae... and to a bit llesser extent, of Mac.

You three (four) - add Nerwen - I could really eat my hat if two of you were not wolves. Or maybe it's just one of you... if none of you is a wolf, then what could I do? Maybe eat that infamous 72oz. steak in Texas in an hour... (I could never make it) I mean 16 oz- was like real heroism for me in Amarillo. :rolleyes:

Add to that...

Greenie threw away her vote a bit too conveniently. Actually I think she's a wolf being first such a nice towards me ("to my own amazement I'm not suspecting Nog!") and striking immediately when she thought I was away... I could bet on that. A lot.

Who of you would stand up for her if someone made a case?

I'm home, and reading to catch up. In the skimming that I've done so far I've seen some really really lame stuff. I'm thinking I'll have some strong words for some of you when I'm done and ready to post.

No one tells me to do anything, no matter my role. I'm just sayin'.

Also, just because you don't like the plan (likely because I brought up the possibility of your death as part of it) doesn't mean you can call me non-thinking. If you'd make a positive contribution to the village I'd take it more lightly, but....no.

Who are you and what have you done with my darling Noggin (and his noggin)?

I suppose I'll take your point about Greenie though. The difference is, I don't think she has evil intentions; I think she's just going for the person she thinks is the best lynch. I'm majorly agreeing with her at the moment.

Randomly
 

Where the blazes of Hades is Kath? She'll be modfired if she stays disappeared, won't she? :(

I'm not sure where she is, but she did vote yesterDay.

xSeeing as how I'm in this pretty content half-sleep watching Batman Forever, I'm just going to vote now so I don't fall asleep, miss deadline, and get modfired.

++phantom

Okay, good. I just noticed that she only had four posts and was concerned that I didn't remember seeing her vote yesterDay (that I remember anyway).


WHAT?!?!

She voted for Nog yesterDay, so she should be all right if she misses toDay. Come to think of it, I don't think she's been here at all toDay.

Because of your analysis? Hmm. I think there are better options, but what do I know?

x/d with Sally

Nog --> Lottie
Greenie --> Nog
Lal --> Lottie (2)
Zil --> Tum
Wilwa --> Tum (2)
Mira --> Phantom

Sally is Hades and Kath is Persephone! ZOMG! Lynchlynchlynchitylynch!

:D

<3

K, must to dash. Foley's analysis and I will be back soon. :)

Nogrod, kindly go back, read my post and answer my actual points rather than your strawman version thereof.

I am getting very tired of you, indeed. At best, you've spent the entire game causing massive confusion and wasting everyone's time. I don't know what's up with you, but... honestly, whatever you are, why are you being such a jerk?

Heated battles are one thing, but the way you're been acting takes a lot of the fun out of the game.

I don't know what this means, but it sounds like a threat. Is it?

Meaning?

This... doesn't look good.

EDIT:X'd since phantom at #709.

Actually your suggestion of lynching me has nothing to do with my approval of the plan. Actually I have nothing to oppose being lynched as I'm most probably not being around that much in the few Days to come. But it's just the plain astonishment of how you are so sure Hestia is a (true) Seer? So how are you that confident? OR does it fit your position?

I mean tp has oftentimes good points to make but that shouldn't make you eat everything he says. Really. Did Hestia turnn into a seer - and into a real seer? How do you show me that so as I could believe it?

Unless you come with a plausible presentation of believable enough facts about that ultimate happy-scenario let's stick with what we have. And thence no double-seers or whatever you'd like to promise for lynching me.. :D

Hey Wolfie, how does it feel to get caught? ;)

EDit X'd with many