Sauron could have made orcs the way Saruman made Uruk-hai. He just breeds them in Barad-Dur. You know, like the birthing pits in the movie. There were no female Uruk-hai(I don't think) Actually, I've been thinking. Did Saruman or Sauron make Uruk-hai first? THe movie makes it seem like Saruman made them first. At little off the topic but it's an interesting point.

Sauron, I believe, bred the Uruk-hai before Saruman. If there were female orcs (which I have no real doubt there were), there were definitely female Uruks.

I'm not positive Sauron created (for lack of a better word) the Uruks, but I do know Saruman did NOT create them as the movie implies. They first appeared out of Mordor approxiamatly 500 years before the events of the Lord of the Rings.

kboleen: And what are the facts that you know of that prove that Saruman didn't breed Uruk-Hai the way he did in the movie? I don't doubt that he might've bred them differently, but I've still seen no concrete proof either way. Probably because there isn't any :D.

I'm not saying Saruman didn't BREED Uruks, I'm just saying he didn't CREATE them the way the movie implies. Though there is nothing wrong with the way the Uruks were depicted in the movie. It was a short cut that I perfectly understand why it was done.

Quote from the Encyclopedia of Arda from the "Uruks" entry:

"In Appendix A (iv) of The Lord of the Rings, in the section recounting the history of the Stewards, we find an account of the first appearance of the uruks. 'In the last years of Denethor I the race of uruks, black orcs of great strength, first appeared out of Mordor, and in 2475 they swept across Ithilien and took Osgiliath.' This passage seems to imply that the uruks actually appeared shortly before Gondor's great defeat of III 2475."

http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.htm

Yes, there are female Orcs...

Here is a page about orc reproduction that provides details:

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Suncrafter,

You've got to be kidding! That site has nothing to do with Tolkien's Orcs. It is something out of someone's wild imagination.

Consider this: Bolg, son of Azog. Anything else? :p

she orcs...now there's a scary thought. Same as the males , except they get one hell of a PMS...O_<

I want someone to answer this thread Fine.

How could there be females orcs!? For one, can you imagine orc-mating?
Arnt orcs just spawned of alchemy from 'black pits?' (Maybe Movie Isenguard was right as far as PJ?)Wouldnt Tolkien have elaborated? Perhaps a flaw such as Glorfindel or goblins/orcs? Perhaps Bolg was just Azog's "heir" to the goblin-dom of the Misty Mountains?

Morgoth 'corupted' elves, and that is canniccal. If he could pervert them so much, male and female elves into orcs would not be much different, so their gender would blend together or something. But the Enemy needed 'strong, scary' creatures, and no offense to females (i know their preparing to hunt me) but scary and bloodcurtling is assigned to masculinity. So he eliminated the female element.

Can anybody find some statement that negates the noting of female orcs? Im going to go crazy... :p
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How? You can't just make up some other reproduction sceme. Not to mention Melkor couldn't create anything on his own...

I fear that here PJ is just as far off as Valinor is for a Mortal man. Is there anywhere I'm missing? Where did this 'spawning orc' theory come from. Granted, I'm just as weirded out by orc reproduction as the next guy, but I think 'spawning orcs' is just a by-product of other fantacy influence that go in more for the 'revolting evil creatures' model. But I've been wrong before.

Finally, I don't see much to elaborate on. Glorfindel, I understand, is the product of rethinking over a long period of time. Rethinking of the whole nature of Elves. I don't see how you can really screw up "son of".

She Orc to know better
 

In The Silmarillion, Tolkien writes the following (of Orcs): They had life and multiplied after the manner of The Children of Iluvatar. Now how do Elves and Men reproduce, don't get carried away with the vision of slimy oozy pits, as seen in the film. There is absolutely no reason why there would be no female of the species.

Yes just because we didn't see them doesn't mean they didn't exist. We didn't see female dragons or trolls either, but they'd have to exist to make the species (immortal or not, after all there are genders in elves, too).

Female ents and dwarves are mentioned.

I am just stubborn. Theres really nothing that I cant beleive it, but the idea that there are female orcs speculates orc society, and reproduction, which if you can understand me, doesnt fit in my mind without wanting to fight. But what about trolls?(originally quated by davem in WHo is TOM BOmbadill thread?) I think that may be what I thought of in my mind. Trolls, surely, cant have femals, can they? With the names Tom, Bert, and WIlliam they may seem masculine, but didnt Tolkien mean for one of them to be Female? It seems trolls are really unisex or hermaphrodites.
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I don't know if that helps, but you can have a look at this closed thread.


Are there female orcs?

Tolkien comes right out and says there are female orcs...hopefully this will put an end to the discussion of that there aren't any:

Besides the quote in the Silm, which says they reproduce in the manner of the Children of Iluvatar, there is also from Letters of JRR Tolkien, called the "Munby Letter:"

Interesting thread, but I would rather not think about multiplying orcs. Ick! :eek: