But when you enter into a debate it eventually comes down to who is winning and who is losing.

You have moved off your own topic question and have yet to plausibly prove your point of Gandalf as a killjoy, hypocrite.

So you're saying Pippin wasn't being foolish? He was making light of a very serious situation. He may not have understood it completely, but he saw what happened to Frodo, knew his friend was being chased, he knew he was not supposed to mentioned certain things in the open. And yet he still did. He was being foolish in his words and even in not understanding the situation fully he still should have known that what he was saying was wrong in some way.

I think that's about enough from all of you. This topic has been lost in the clutter of your arguments. I'm closing it.