You, most probably.

I have only twenty minutes now, so excuse me for bantering this little. :p Off to business then...

There's eighteen of us and only three ringwraiths. Granted, there's an informer to help them, but still, I would say our situation looks quite good.

Which exactly might be the problem. Villages with the setting that favours the innocent surprisingly often leads to their loss, because they become careless and entangled in silly discussions because they feel no hurry to catch the wolves. So let's not do that this time.

And *hint hint* that also means we could move away from banter to more serious suttf, if anyone has anything at all to say. ;)

So maybe I'll start about that.

My opinion on this bantering? It annoys me a little because I subconsciously assume this game has already been going for for 5-8 hours although in reality, we only started 3h ago. So I should not be harsh.

But given that there were so many people around, one could imagine they'd have come up with something. Anything. Even such sort of useless and obvious discussion about roles and setting like I just started. So, do we have just a few ordos having fun? A cobbler messing around *glares at Gollum and sally* or even wolves who feel the most comfortable talking nonsense?

*happy sigh* I missed ww. :D Hmm, anyway, I'd better leave for work in ten minutes. I'll be back in ten hours or a bit more, I hope I can expect everybody has posted by then and that there will be talk - about other subjects than mattresses, drinks and stellar signs too....

Never, young one. Drinking is not for the young ones like you. You have to be accustomed to drinking. Could any Ringwraith pass me a drink?

A herring. Sorry, that would be pisces.

Trying to get together, eh? An Informer and a Ringwraith, no less! Kill them!

Now at least something in-game which makes me unnerved. Great :) As well as Brinn's post a little. But that is most likely just because they are the first ones to actually say something, which is of course a good thing for a Ringwraith to start turning suspicion towards some victims. Not that their points would be incorrect: we should really try to discuss something more important. But the Day has just started, and I hope people will acknowledge by themselves that it is reasonable to speak reasonable and not just mess around. But it's maybe just something in Lommy's phrasing which I find weird. But as it has been just one and quick post, then of course I will wait for further input to state anything. But I just wanted to say this, as it's far better than to say "bring me some ale", or even "we should discuss serious stuff" (which is not an information of any value by itself either. I always want to ask people who go around and post things like this, and nothing more, what serious things would they discuss. Or rather, perhaps they should instead lead by example and just do it).

P.S. I don't know what suttf is, but I certainly don't want to meet that in the middle of a dark alley at night.

People are not postiiiing, yah-dah-dah-dadey...

Everybody's laaaa-zyyyy...

This way, comrades, this way we won't ever build that socialism.

Erm... okay. Hey, but our comrades in the Shire almost succeeded already... just need to get rid of a few Baggins exploiters and everything's gonna be fine...

The Shire needs five thousand new tractors. Why is there a weapons dealer, and not a tractor dealer?

All hail to the People's Republic of Michel Delving! Waiting for comrade Sharkey to arrive to set things right.

Hobbitton needs a new mill.

And what about our village? Are we going to stay behind? I take the pledge to supply Bree with five hundred herrings per day. Every herring is a serious blow to the Western imperialism. Which means probably the Dwarves from the Blue Mountains. Yeah, they think they have a monopoly on everything.

Bree needs to produce more charcoal! Heaps all over the edges of Chetwood.

Or are you not going to post in order to make me being silly here? Yes, pretty much succesful.

Hello bunnies.

What is it that the day has been going for six hours and there's already two pages? I'm not used to this. *okay reads the two pages and is not surprised anymore*

I am concerned about Menel based solely on the narration. Something more sinister just sounds awfully bad! :p

I'm Capricorn. Or Sagittarius. I'm not quite sure which one. I wonder what that makes me, Sagittarius being a fire sign and Capricorn an earth one.

Thank you! Mmm... this is goo- WHAT? A finger!

Thus far. However I find it quite possible the wraiths will learn Ferny's identity soon enough as xe can give them xer opinions etc. Plus, if the wraiths attack the Ring-bearer they get a fourth member to their team. In the worst case there might sooner or later be five baddies around.

I'm not overly fond of the banter either. I find showing off with my post count worth my while only when I've actually posted some serious substance.

Liar. You're Cancer. That is, a crab.

Okay some things about the roles.

The seer cannot trust xer dreams completely as Ferny is revealed as an ordo. I assume Ferny counts as an ordo in numbers, then, too? Has the seer dreamed already?

I wonder what should be done with Frodo. We might not want to lynch xem as long as xe's an ordo but we also wouldn't like to get xem wolf-killed.

Comrade Legate is being sensible. However, the situation being as it is, I think the Socialist Republic of Breeland needs a strong intelligency agency to spy on every citizen in order to find the wrongdoers. Let's make this a police state until things are solved!

Who do you call a bunny? Are you not the person who calls rabbits conies, when you don't turn their Frodos to wolves? Or something very similar.

Well, there is still enough of us for the time being. And there is quite a large chance that, hopefully, we may lynch a Wolf, or the Informer, or in the worst case, poor Mr. Frodo (still better than lynching just an ordinary Ordo, or a Gifted, of course). However, and here I agree with what's been said here, we really should not overestimate our situation and try to go after the wolves as hard as if there were nine of them.

Not from a Jedi.

Sorry, I meant to say: Not in this village.

I would assume so. Although it makes little sense, if there are let's say one Wolf and one ordo and the Informer remaining, and they are to vote, the Informer would of course vote for the ordo. Unless the ordo tries to pretend to be a Wolf just to get him to his side. Now, that would be pretty impressive! :D

I guess we cannot do anything much sensible for the time being, especially as we won't know anyway who that is. And it's probably better now for Frodo to stay put and hope the Ringwraith don't notice him.

Police state? You are being suspiciously eager, comrade. I suggest we place you to the workcamp in Fornost for a while, to see what happens.

But what, though? That seems a bit of a hit-and-run suspicion, Legate. *looks at him hard*

Lazy? Drunk, my friend– or should I say comrade? My special brew is powerful stuff (as opposed to Suttf, who is clearly up to no good).

EDIT: x'd with Aganzir and Legate.

Just like that: the phrasing overall. I simply find it queer. But that is why I said I would have to see how things go further. It is by no means a suspicion yet, it is stating what I think at the moment. (And I can hardly think much, as almost nobody has posted anything yet.)

True. Yes, I say we lynch him.

What I wrote about two hours ago, just when the Downs went down
 

No, actually I call them Cobys.

Grr you're revealing all my plans.

Yeah but would it help us or the wolves more if we pointed out Frodo-ish behaviour in others? That's what I meant.

The thing is, I'm not sure if Mr. Baggins wants to do that. If I was him I'd certainly try to get myself killed and become a wolf (but then again, I love being a wolf, whereas some people like to have different tactics. I remember my first game where Kit the Shade [kind of an assassin/seer/ranger] sided with the village against all odds [and killed me on the last night]).

For once it's not me who finds Lommy's phrasing suspicious.

I read through the thread with plans to make a Guilty/Innocent/Neither list, but decided against it. Lommy, Legate and Nerwen look innocent enough thus far, of the others I have absolutely nothing to say.

Having labored all day to complete it, Beregond sharpens the edge of the sword he had made a week ago.

"It's not pretty, but it should get the job done. I've never been much use making blades, but I have been improving my art."

He sticks it deep into an old chipped and mangled wooden block in the corner of his shop. Then he checks the tip.

"Hmmm. Not bad, not bad. Been getting some pointers from Gollum. Creepy fellow, and talkative, but I've never met anyone so knowledgeable.

I'm going to keep this sword on my side from hereon. Can't be too careful. Can't get the image of... of... No, rather not think about that. What we need to do is find these wraiths, or whatever they are, and see they don't do us no more harm!

I have suspicions, but it's real hard to see under the cloaks, so to speak. And I've happened to notice, only nine out of the nineteen or so people in our village have even spoke out yet. Ten, now. But wouldn't a wraith want to stay out of the sunlight, so to speak? Maybe none of them have posted at all. But wraiths are crafty folk - so I've heard from the elders, I haven't seen them myself - and by posting they could avoid suspicion, or try. Now, like I said before Gollum is a strange one, and he talks more'n I've heard before, but I can't fix him as an evil one. Maybe I owe him too much. Who else, then: Sally? Shasta? Durelin? Nerwen? I dunno about them. I have a feeling Brinn could be something other than she seems - she was the first to really encourage proper discussion and then she left, almost to deflect suspicion and avoid notice all in one. I don't know about the rest of you, but I just don't know as she is who she says she is."

Hello, children. I meant to stop in this morning at work, except I um... couldn't access the... village...

Anyway, I'm here and my only goal for day one is to try to scare wolves by attempting to vote for one, given that logically their only real fear on Day 1 is to be accidentally caught, since they haven't left behind any clues yet that could actually lead straight to them.

I think... Sally.

Sally shall be my go-to person for a lynch target for now.

She just seems to enthusiastic, and I tend to find that the more enthusiastic players on day one usually have a special role.

So I shall just go take a bit of my belladonna now, nap for a little while, take advantage of an unexpectedly free afternoon...

Hello all! Like Fea I couldn't access the village when I had the chance earlier... And now I must be leaving for class shortly and thus can't probably analyze, well, anything. With any luck job 1 won't wear me out to the point where I can't post during job 2. :rolleyes:

In the meantime, I feel that Gollum is probably not to blame. It would be far too obvious for a traveling weapons designer to cut off poor Kitanna's head. Or would it...?

Sorry about the lack of ale bringing but I needed time to recover from the shock(read class). Would anyone like anything while I'm here for the next, oh, eight minutes?

As for my sign I am a Sagittarius which actually does say a lot more about me than it should.

I'll take some of that ale, my dear. It's much appreciated.

There you go, though I'm not entirely sure you should be having any, you look young.:p

Anyway, off I go, I shall try to be back later!

Well, if you're offering, I'd love a root beer. Root beer is good for thinking!

So, Lariren, just to make conversation, are you in shock from this morning, or have you been consorting with those of an unsavory nature? I hear wights have some kind of dark breath...could shock anyone.


I'm a Taurus, and, well, you're right about that - I am stubborn and not likely to believe you. :D

However, Shasta, I'll offer you a root beer, and I'll shoe your horse for free, if you want to read the stars for me.


EDIT: x'd with Mirandir, Lariren.

Well, I'm too slow and missed out on root beer. So, Mirandir, this is the first time you've been in the village during a crisis? Me too. I don't know who to disbelieve! Or maybe I do, and don't want them to know...

And I'm disappointed no one suspects me yet. Am I not sinister enough? I have access to swords, even if they aren't very good...

I'm a Leo.

If I remember correctly, that means that I love to be the center of everybody's attention.

I happen to think it simply means that I have a profound personal identification with cats...

The only unsavory people I've consorted with recently have been those who have not know when they have had too much ale. Luckily I've learned how to protect myself in those situations. Cold water helps.

And I do have a root beer for you right here.

Off to another class!

Sorry to come in this late but I actually had a 14-hour workday today and have basically just come home and eaten the first time today (10PM). I'll be reading next and come back then.

So it seems I'm not able to stand behind my promise to post only once on Day1 but I'll try to keep my posting in two posts toDay.

Let's see if I can meet that goal... :rolleyes:

I'm back and reading.

It is indeed the first time I've been in the village during a crisis...I heard about a certain tragedy in an opera house from Fea and Lariren not that long ago though.

Looks can be deceiving, my dear.

So I am planning to vote in an hour or two because it is very unlikely I want to get up earlier just to play.

I will not vote for Beregond or Mirandir today because they are new. However Lari is not protected by newbieness anymore. :p

Well not necessarily. Being too quiet makes people suspicious, and sometimes submarines are lynched in lack of better suspects just to get rid of dead weight.

I think she said she was going to sleep. While it is nice if the person who has encouraged proper talk instead of banter does it xemself, Brinn's reason for not doing it was understandable.

I can hardly see how bantering actively makes her too enthusiastic.

It's good, though, if you say aloud what you find suspicious.

edit: xed with Gol & Mira

Ah ha! So YOU'RE a wraith! Because you don't look like one. ;)

Thank you for the root beer, Lariren, much appreciated!

Socialism! *Is scared out of mind* Evil Legate, I for one will not redistribute my property amongst the great unwashed! *Closes Castle drawbridge* Ahh! Now my loot- that is to say my well earned capital will remain in competent hands.

Thanks, I didn't know we were subject to newbie protection!

I know I'm throwing out things that may or may not hold any weight, but on day one, what else do we have to go on? I don't expect anyone to take me seriously yet anyway. ;)

Well interesting as the topic is, maybe we'd better cut it. After all, politics shouldn't be discussed on the Downs.

It's generally considered fair that newbies get a chance to play a bit longer than one day. It doesn't apply to everything, though - if you do something outrageously suspicious, you might get lynched very quickly.

Sure, that's only fair. It would take a few days to learn how things work, anyway. :)

To the real thing
 

I agree with whoever it was that situation looks good. For the moment. What seems to be overlooked is that hanging over the Pony like the Sword of Damacles is the danger of losing an ordo and gaining another wraith. The Ringbearer will be their prime target and we cant spend valuable time chit-chatting (like me, for instance). Once a couple of Wraiths are gone then we'll be on fairly solid ground. Also I agree with the other whoever it was that Beregond and Mirandir should be given a day or two- but not necessarily the game. Remember me in Di's game, using "newbieness" as a cloak for for my evil? I hope there isn't a repetition of that here.

Huh. I tried to access the Downs some five and a half hours ago but failed. I'm here only now and must vote soon since I need to go to sleep. What bothers me (easy to say of course, having been absent myself) is the lack of actual discussion. Yeah, Day 1, I know, but still. Nearly two pages of stuff (suttf?) and hardly anything to comment on. Bah.

The problem is I have no idea who I can vote, or even on what grounds should I vote since there just isn't enough material to base any opinions on. I even have no gut feelings, which is a bit alarming in itself.

Like Agan, I will certainly not vote a first-timer out on a Day like this when I have as vague opinions on everyone. I will also not vote anyone who has attempted some actual game discussion toDay. I will not vote anyone who hasn't appeared yet since that's plain evil because I have no way of knowing how that particular person behaves in this game.

Now that I've complained and whined enough, I can start thinking. I'll let Lommins in soon, but I could do with some discussion before that. Is there anyone around?


EDIT: Evidently. x-ed since Beregond's 62 (Are there any nicknames for you, by the way? Beregond is waaaay too long! :D)

Just thinking... Is the ring-bearer's role (I first wrote "rule") revealed if s/he gets lynched? Was there a mention of that in the rules?

Well, I'm not cloaking anything, and I'd like to survive as much as the next guy!

I'd "discuss" if I knew what that meant. How can we find and protect the Ringbearer? Or should we eliminate the Ringbearer to remove the threat? Do we even want to discover the Ringbearer, or should that person stay hidden from all?

EDIT: Lots of crossing! You can call me Bere, in fact, please do - that's the only shortened version I have for this alias. :)

Hmm well I think it'd make more sense if they tried to kill Barliman first as xe is rather dangerous for the Ring-bearer, having a chance to tell xer identity to the ranger. However this is useless speculation.

It didn't keep me from suspecting you. :p

Hmm I could actually vote for Gwath. He would at least deserve it. :p

edit: xed with Greeny & Gondy. I'd believe Frodo's role is revealed once xe is lynched. After all xe knows it xemself and the seer can see it when dreaming (unlike Ferny's).

Heh, yup! You got me. :p

I must be off to work but we do have wireless access here so I shall be checking in periodically.

Well the Ringbearer is an ordo for now, but xer death is probably only a matter of time. I think the best thing to do might be to remain quiet about who we think could be the RB and bring these points up only if the wolves get xem. Then we wouldn't help the wraiths or Billy to find xer, either.

edit: xed with Mira

*Hides in cellar* I remember that, all right.

Agreed. It's Bill Ferny we should go after, assuming xe is an asset to the wraiths. Does Ferny have any powers as an informant, or is xe only special because he can contact the wraiths, indirectly?

Gondy? I like that. Or maybe Gondie? Anyway, that Frodo-thingy makes good sense - except that those xe/xemself things keep confusing me. Suppose I'll get used to them in a while...

To be honest I have no idea - never played with a guy like that before, whatever the role is called (cursed something?) - but it would sound ideal if no one discovered the identity of our ringbearer. After all, if we find and lynch him/her, we'll be down one innocent regardless of the fact that the particular innocent could have been converted to some nasssty creature. We should probably not use our energy on hunting the ringbearer but instead on hunting the wraiths.


EDIT: x-ed with Agan, Gollum and Gondie

Someone's got the right idea.

Adding the two up reads basically "do your best". Many will be scared the living daylights out of them because of a possible ill-adviced voting on Day1 but you can actually rest assured you're not lynched because of trying to actually do something... :)

Into the bussiness then.

About Frodo. I think that Frodo should actually do the decent thing and reveal himself if he felt he was in danger of being killed by Night. That way we could lynch him and prevent the birth of a fourth ringwraith. When Frodo is in danger great enough to reveal should surely rest on the ringbearer him(her)self; we others should not push him but should point that out.

Looking at the Frodo-issue from this angle as I am I'm quite baffled about this post by Agan I ran into: *"to do that" = trying to stay hidden from the wraiths (suggested tactics for Frodo by Legate)

Now are you calling for the ringwraiths whom you actually want to join Aganzir?


About Ferny. I suggest we cut off the speculation about that old scrooge for Day1. Let's not help him. The less we speculate about him, the more he has to do himself.

The same goes with Dury's ranger impersonation. Let the wolves chew it for the time being. We should bother ourselves with it only later if it looks like it.


About the banter. Banter is always fun and belongs to the game. But surely people could also add some actual stuff (or was it called "suttf" in this one?) to their banter. Just joking is playing it safe which means either trying to look like an active poster but hiding your fangs or then being a cowardish villager who only thinks for her/himself. Both kind of persons should be gotten rid of sooner rather than later as both will be harmful to us - especially late in the game.

*Free weed to everyone! Except the tanner of course... You will profit due to these crises anyway, don't you? :p*


Bah, there went my dream of two posts on Day1 but I really can't vote yet. I'll be back a little later with a vote. (I'm not waking up that early to vote on the only day this week I can sleep up to 9AM)

EDIT: X'd with a host of posts...

Nope I don't think so. Xe can only tell the wraiths who xe thinks they should kill.

Tgwbs started using them in last game. (And now that I googled the link, I noticed I've been using them incorrectly lately, too. It's xyr, not xer.)

I'm reading through the thread and trying to come up with opinions on people.

edit: xed with Noggy-Nogz

Well, as it's the first day and I have had no dreams that I wish to lay carefully before you, and I've got no evil plans I'd like to implement, I need somebody to suspect.

Innocents on Day One atypically have anybody to gun for based on actual evidence, so I figured I should come up with some sort of guideline to slim down the pool of possible people for me to latch onto immediately. Usually on the first day I pick at total random because I have nothing better to go on yet. This time I decided that 'enthusiasm = reason for enthusiasm' seemed like a pretty fair thing to go on.

Thus my otherwise random suspicion (since I have nothing solid to go on).

Strangely, I actually just had a dream (this isn't a clue) about Sally. I was just napping, thus dreaming, and we lived in this three story dorm type building, except the elevator was hidden behind a shower, and the third floor had a spare bed half way up a random staircase that was in my room. Sally was living there, in this strange little not-really-third-floor balcony on the stairs that didn't go anywhere else, for all that they continued past where she was hanging out.

Strange, no?

Yes, and I encouraged Lari to use it last game, and it worked beautifully. So while new players get a basic get-out-of-jail-free card, it's also common knowledge that a newbie wolf will take advantage.

So don't try to take advantage if you're a wraith, because we'll catch you. K? :)

Unless you're Nog, in which case you'll be killed Day One no matter what you do. :p

You quts are making me smile with your banter.

Just so you know.