Wait, he votes for you and you call it reasonable? :p

It's ages since I've played actively but last time I participated in a game, Lottie was after you all the time. Plus I'm always suspicious of you. But now that you said it I do remember your getting night-killed pretty often, too. It's just that because you're one of my most common suspects, I automatically assume everyone else finds you fishy as well, but because I'm wrong about you most of the time I get suspicious when others suspect you. If you know what I mean. ;)

Me too. I am of the opinion my contributions were much more substantial than Greenie's. ;)

Just to make sure you know - the "I'm-a-wolf" jokes are another inside joke. :rolleyes:
Yes, I do. He gave reasons for his vote that looked sound from his perspective.
Oh really? Four posts that consist mainly of the infamous inside jokes. I can definitely see what you mean. :p

Anyway, it's my bedtime about now (I have to get up ridiculously early for work), which means, obviously, that I need to vote in a bit.

I see. Next thing you're probably going to suggest we all confess to be wolves and lynch those who don't, right?
I'm not sure I'm convinced by that explanation - sorry, but I've become a little paranoid about that kind of over-obvious jokes; you can blame our resident expert on multiple bluffing (aka Nerwen) for that (*cough Yay!Go wolves! cough*).

No, that's not at all unusual, but in the past she's quite often actively nudged the game out of the banter phase into some serious discussion, hence my comment about her being untypically non-pot-stirring this time. However, she said on the Admin thread that she'd have limited time for participation, so that's nowhere near voteworthy for me.

(x-ed since #40)

Either we're wolves or we aren't - there's a 50-50 chance!

Yes but that was to be expected - after all we're only 13. Of course it's sometimes nice to play in a big and noisy village, but games this small are also really refreshing (and besides this is much better for my schedule, not the least because chances are good enough I'll be dead before I have to start playing a host).

I'm so clever. ;)

No you won't! :smokin: Whoops I mean...

If it is, it should be one that most WWers share. Yes, it happened when we played real life werewolf, but it wasn't really anything new or unheard of. (However my apology for not showing up last night was a Geneva-related joke - one of the wolves apparently misread their role so there were only two of them.)

When I'm innocent, I always get wary of people who suspect me. Why? Because I know for sure they're suspecting an innocent. It's all the information I have so it's all I can base my own thoughts and suspicions on. You have to start from somewhere, and it's easier to use the things you actually know as a basis.

I'm not too worried about Fea at the moment (I'll start paying closer attention to her when she starts paying closer attention to the game, that is on day 2). I'm slightly concerned about skip and Eomer, but I'd rather wait and see (at least a few hours :p) because my points against them aren't very big. I'm torn about Greenie but that's nothing unusual. And I'd like to see sally and EW post more. The rest of you haven't really left an impression.

Tea-time!

I supposed as much, and a lot of people playing in this game would know that and therefore dismiss them as being exactly that; which is why it could be a safe way of hinting to the cobbler, couldn't it?

All right. I can see now, I think, where Shasta was coming from.. But then again, Lottie's only posts are really ridiculously early, so not nudging the game on at that time seems pretty natural.
Eh? Count your percentages again, will you, dear? You will find that half the village aren't actually wolves. :eek:

I can see your point, though I don't necessarily think that way myself. I get wary of people suspecting me if their arguments are far-fetched; but generally I'm more suspicious of people who are pronouncedly trying to get in my good books.
Check your watch, girl, it's bed-time here!

EDIT: x-ed with Pitch

Ah. I see what you mean.

Also, it's more than about time I went to bed (my alarm clock will go off in too few hours), so I'll vote

++ Fea

Since I really don't suspect anyone more than I suspect everyone, I'm going after someone who has
a) posted many times (including after the full banter-phase ended) and hardly any of it on topic or non-joking - I know what her views on the importance of Day 1s are but still
b) a smug tone (yeah I know she always does)
and c) confessed to being a wolf. Now I know it could well be just innocent Fea joking about what she did in Genevamoot, but it just struck me that while I'm not sure that particular joke would have occurred to an innocent Fea, I'm pretty sure it would have to a Feawolf.

I'm not sure if I'm making sense, but regardless of that, I need to be off to bed now. Sweet dreams!

Mmm yerba-mate. :cool:

Hahaha no, but if I had actually ended up suggesting something like that, I would've kept pursuing it and possibly even semi-suspected people who refused to do it. Sometimes I'm stubborn like that. :p

I usually like to adopt a role or two on day 1 if I'm an ordo. At times I keep making seerish comments (because it's better if the wolves think I'm the seer and attack me. It's actually quite funny that I should think so because I'm not a huge fan of gifteds) and sometimes it's nice to be the cobbler. I might get more serious when the game moves on, or I might not. I don't really know what kind of me is the most annoying to play with. ;)

As far as you can say there exists any way a wolf could drop hints to the cobbler safely. Even if it seems like a joke, it's bound to draw attention - especially if you do it early on day 1 when you know there's very little actual substance yet and people go after anything that's even mildly suspicious. If I was a wolf I wouldn't want to risk getting suspected for leaving hints to the cobbler, simply because I don't think the cobbler is worth it. She's just one more player and doesn't have any special ability. (However I could say I'm a wolf even if I actually were one, just for the fun of it - but I can also do it as an innocent.) In any case, I think you're making the issue sound bigger than it actually is. It's fine if you want to suspect us because we revealed as wolves, but it's a strain to keep claiming we did it because we wanted to alert the cobbler. Of course I don't know about Fea's motives, but I simply don't think it would be worth it.

It makes perfect sense - if the answer can only be yes or no, there's obviously a 50% chance for each! ;-)

My watch clearly says it's tea-time.

Anybody who consumes mate at this time of day must preparing for Nightly activities. Highly suspicious!:p

For me, it's time to prepare for my rendezvous with the bedbugs, so...

Kidding aside, Agan's posts apart from the early joke thing look fair enough - active and speaking her mind, as far as I can tell. Same for Greenie's later posts since her comeback.
The only other person who has really stuck out for me toDay is Fea, and at the moment it looks like she'll get my vote. Never mind the cobbler-hint theory, but she's made three rather conspicuous posts which are so content-free and studiedly inscrutable that she might as well be a submarine; plus she elaborately explained her early posting (in reaction to Agan's 'suspicion', which didn't look very serious to me), which seems over-defensive. So that's my best bet for toDay:

++Fea

Good Night.

When I get the chance, I will. :p

Only when there are people around to banter with.

Agan, Greenie, Boro, Pitchie, and Sally look pretty normal. No one else jumped out at me as noteworthy...my joke about voting Zil is beginning to look more plausible. :rolleyes:

Other than that, I don't have much to say, and I have to go soon. I'll be back in a couple hours or so.

Interestingly enough, I became really tired. Now I'm probably just going to vote and when I go to bed I'll lie there staring at the roof, my mind racing. (If that happens I'll probably just come back. :p)

Anyway even though we've managed to avoid the quiet/loud discussion thus far, I'm going to throw in my two cents.

This is a small village. It means it's going to be much quieter than in the bigger games. While it makes it easier to pay attention to everybody, it also means we run out of loud players faster. I seem to remember talking to some of you about why I don't like quiet players, but to recap: it's unfair to everybody. I've been innocent in a game where a quiet wolf led the wolves to victory because no one paid attention to them, but I've also been a wolf in a game where the seer who had barely 10 posts on day 4 outed half my pack, myself included. Not fun. Thus, in lack of a real suspect, I think I'm going to vote for either sally or EW.

I'm too lazy to make a real list, but I'm going to keep an eye on our European males (Pitch, skip, Eomer, and yes I think you can count Greenie among them ;)). I'm not entirely happy about what is possibly going to turn into a Feawagon because 1) it's day 1 and 2) she's Fea, so it's pretty much impossible to tell her role so early. Personally I just don't see saying "I'm a wolf!" as a sufficient reason to lynch somebody. ;)

++sally

Sorry hun but I know I'm going to get frustrated later on if you top the post count with half your posts being jokes.

Aaaand I'm back! My internet is being rubbish but I'll read up the best I can and be back soon. :D



ETA: x'd with Agan. Thanks, love. I was at work, by the way. :(

You say 'toDay' like I don't stand out all the time. Saying that I stand out is like saying that my name is Fea. We already know this to be true.

Just because you can't read the alphabet doesn't mean those squiggly lines and dots don't tell a story, dear. I've already determined the trustworthiness of at least one player based on those three conspicuous posts. And I say trustworthiness in a, "Yes I said I'm a wolf, but only because being an ordo is boring," sort of way. I have no proof, but I have a conditional hunch.

I'm not over-defensive, I'm just elaborate. You can really expect nothing else of somebody that's so well known for being 'The Beautiful Lady Without Mercy' that I was granted a second personal title just to broadcast it to people who might not have gotten the original memo.

I mean really, dear, saying I stand out is like calling the sky blue and pretending that's abnormal.

Still, I'm going to reserve the right not to fault you for it.

My list currently looks like

Probably Not Evil:

Pitch
Agan
Vanilwa
Boro

Everyone Else:

Probably Evil

After reading, I don't see Pitch voicing any particular suspicion of Fea, so for him to say that she's the only one that stuck out to him seems odd to me. Especially after Greenie's vote. I'm not sure that a Pitch-wolf would be clumsy enough to bandwagon so shamelessly, but it's all I have to go on so far. Deadline is in four and a half hours or so, correct? I'm really bad with timezones.

Um, honey, I think it's in like an hour and fifteen minutes.

Oh dear. Okay, so that's 7pm for me. Fair enough, I can make that.

These two:

But see both of those hints (Fea and Agan's "I'm a Wolf" and Skip's "someone do something suspicious") would be disregarded by a cobbler/wolf just as easily as we are disregarding them as reasons for suspicious, and therefore a wolf/cobbler wouldn't bother trying. Since Fea and Agan out right saying they're wolves would just be taken as a joke by most people, why would the cobbler think it was hint, it's too out in the open to be taken seriously. And Skip's 'someone act suspicious please' is something that someone says at least once every game, it's just a common little phrase we say sometimes, and therefore a wolf wouldn't take that as a cobbler hint either.

Besides, with a seer and ranger around that can do more harm than a cobbler can do good, I doubt the wolves care enough about them to risk hinting. Cobbler's only usually come in handy for the wolves at end game when they can swing the votes for a win, until then, since they don't know each other, they can't be a lot of help to them and are therefore not worth the risk of hinting.

Lottie does just banter a lot at the beginning, and she was around early enough that it made sense for her to do just that, if she was still bantering when everyone else had turned serious, then that would be strange, but that wasn't the case here.


I'll be back in a bit.

x'ed with sally and shasta, and now I'm confused about the DL

Nerwen is evil. Always. Or she's the seer. Either way, let's lynch her, because she'll end the game far too quickly. ;)

Pitch's case against Fea puts him on my hit list, because....well, it's just not quite right somehow. I'll agree with what Shasta said a few posts above, and add that I do think a Pitch-wolf could do that, because it would be too obvious to be so. That and we know how tricksy he can be. :rolleyes:

Wilwa is sweet, but I have to say, the wicked vibes coming from her make me think my muffin may be a little past her sell-by date. I'll look at her closer and see why I'm getting that feeling.

Shasta seems....strange to me somehow. I'll take a look at his posts and see if it's just my tired brain or if there's really something there.

Sally is sweet, innocent, and gives people cute nicknames. Don't kill her. That'd be stupid.

Lottie isn't giving off much to me. I think she's probably innocent.

Greenie doesn't like the in-jokes, which I can understand, but she seems overly fixated on them to me. I'm trying to decide if it's a natural dislike of meta or if she has a more specific reason to not want people communicating covertly. I'll be keeping a close eye on her, to be sure.

Skip is sadly not giving off vibes to me. I'm not voting him, but I'm not trusting him either. That said, I'm happy he's playing of course!

Boro is up to something, as always. Need to figure out what it is before I shove him off a cliff, as he may be completely innocent. But if the cobbler turns up dead come Morning....o_O

Elf hasn't said enough for me to judge guilt or innocence. Not getting my vote.

Fea is getting a lot of unhealthy attention. Nothing unusual there, but the bandwagon (because that's what it is!) forming against her is fishy. Regardless of Fea's role, I don't like to see this kind of rather simple voting, especially toDay.

Eomer is always talking about his wargs and stuff, thus he must be evil. Or just silly. Really, though, I think he's all right, at least for now. We'll see.

Agan is standing out to me, and I'll completely admit it's mostly a knee-jerk because of her vote for me. She knows I have a job, and that I can't post during my work time. I don't expect her to consider all the meta, because that ruins the game, but to say she wants me dead before I can joke around, when I haven't even begun to do so, is really odd, especially for her. It seems like she's trying to get rid of me before I can sort out what she is. And the fact that I'm getting that feeling gives me the feeling that whatever she is, it isn't good. However, as I said, part of that is knee-jerk (though I would have said it had she opportunity voted for anyone else as well) so while she'll remain higher on my BOLO list, I will not be voting for her toDay, alas.


Basically, my suspects for toDay are Pitch, Muffin, and Greenie, with Shasta coming in at fourth. Agan is a leader too, but I'm trying to step back from my suspicion because I know part of it is me protecting myself. Also, I'm rather hoping I just pinned the entire wolf pack and will be able to rub it in some faces again. :p



EDIT: x'd with my snuggle muffin

Extremely, extremely odd, considering that you actually agree with me about Pitch. Very fishy, m'dear.

Okay, I'm back and as I should have been in bed hours ago I gotta take a quick shot from the hip (and in all fairness any vote at this point is just that).

The Elf-Warrior has only made one post so far but there's just something about the timing and the subject matter and the phrasing of that post that seems a bit sinister to me.

Especially the last part, which I highlighted. There's something potentially euphemistic about that phrase. Possibly veiled wolfish banter. Only one way to find out:

++The Elf-warrior

Just because we agree on Pitch doesn't mean I trust you. I'm just sayin'.

I dunno about Pitchie. As Pitchwolf, he's generally Mr. Agreeable with a vague sort of "wise man" air about himself. I haven't seen that so far. If anything, he's been jumping into conflict a teeny bit.

As for Vanilwuffin, I'm beginning to have a pattern of always suspecting her Day 1, so I'm not bothering her until toMorrow.

Personally, I think it's just banter. It came early in the Day and I think someone else had even mentioned food in their banter post earlier.

Fea doesn't look all that bad to me, and I don't really see where this bandwaggon is coming from. Is there something other than the "I'm a wolf" joke post that I'm not seeing?

I'm witholding any ideas about Shasta for the moment - I'll keep an eye on him, but I'm going to wait to actually suspect him.

Oh, and I'm sort of here now.

EDIT: xed with Sallycakes.

++Pitch


Yeah, sorry, I know, quiet. Talking to my mum and super busy now.

It's quite simple, really. Everybody knows that Fea is Teh Vary Bad Eevle all the Tiem.

And if she's not Teh Vary Bad Eevle, then we're better off lynching her, just in case!

Not really, they seem to be wanting to vote for her for being Fea. She's always fun to keep around for a while, so I'd prefer not to see her become an 'easy' lynch on the first Day.

And I'm going to regret that I had said I don't like when people have no suspects....since at the moment I have no suspects. :rolleyes:

When is DL exactly? About an hour?

x'ed with Fea, haha

Exactly 52 minutes.

I've made it back, and shall be here 'til DL tonight, there may be some nights where I'll have to vote uber early, but not tonight.

And I quite love small, simple villages. Little to catch up on, and no plot twists to spend the day debating, exploding up page counts. Granted it means I can't say some controversial thing that gets most everyone talking about me, as it's more just come in throw out a few jokes, random suspicions, vote, then wrap it up. But, makes for a relaxing change after some craziness.

Blimey. What?!

0100GMT=7pm here, which was twenty minutes ago. Abigail even tells me so! Hence my vote.


(No, I'm not really cross, I just feel dumb for misunderstanding the deadline.)



EDIT: x'd with Boro. And by "hence my vote" I of course mean hence the timing/rushed nature of my vote.

Aren't you in CDT? That should be GMT -5.

Yeah, I know. Abigail was set to the wrong GMT, or whatever thingiemabob. Fixed now. o_O


On the plus side, that's almost a better DL for me. *headdesks anyway*


Now I have time for more thoughts! Allow me to collect them and I'll return.

Bleh. I went through the thread, giving people checks under "wolf", "cobbler", and "innocent", and now the person I suspect most is also the person I trust most. :rolleyes: Agan, thank you for confusing me. :p

Anyways, the only people who got checks under "wolf" are Agan, Vanilwuffin, and Boro. Boro also has three "innocent" checks, however, while Vanilwuffin has one "innocent" check. The only other people of note were Fea, who got a whopping four "cobbler" checks and one "innocent" check, and Eomer and TEWie, who got nothing. I might vote for one of them for being so quiet.

So, how tired I must be: I started writing a post along the lines of "Yay, a suspect, Inzil doesn't contribute all day and when he shows up all he does is give us the DL time". And then I realised why. :rolleyes:

xed with Sally and Lottie

Bahahahaha! Muffin, I love you!

~~Cupcake~~



Boro's last post looks weird. Or is just my zapped brain?



Also, I've gone entirely too many posts without making gratuitous Doctor Who references. I swear, I'll improve.

I'm going to vote for
 

++Elf

Not because I particularly suspect her (I reserve opinions until Day 2, as everyone knows) but because I have nobody better to vote for and because with a village this small, odds are solid that if I threw a rock I'd hit a wolf. And because she's quiet, and you can't analyze a statue.

Can't even escape suspicion when I'm dead. :p

Current Vote Tally

Eomer--> Greenie (1)

Greenie--> Fea (1)

Pitch--> Fea (2)

Agan--> Sally (1)

skip--> The Elf-Warrior (1)

Sally--> Pitch (1)

Fea--> The Elf-Warrior (2) (I think he's a "he", by the way. ;))

Isn't TEWie a him?

Also, Vanilwuffin? Your post was win. Insanely hilarious win. :p

EDIT: xed with Sir Mod God Of Epic Wonder

Well let's just label me a non-observant failure. I was thinking I was playing with TheGreatElvenWarrior. My humble apologies, The Elf-Warrior. My bad.

I've got good marks! Woot!

Hopefully this post doesn't come too late, let me try to organize my thoughts here. I betch I'm gonna cross with people, but with how we're getting down to the wire I can't guarantee reading it before making my vote.

No lynch Fea today. Possibly playing sacrificial wolf, since she figures to be an early seer dream, but I'm detecting more innocence than Fea throwing herself to the gallows. When she thinks she's had enough fun, and caught most the attention, if innocent she'll more than likely step back and I'd love to see her around then. If a wolf, she'll sacrifice herself first among her other packmates knowing she's an early seer target. I'm a gonna write this off as an innocent Day 1 pass.

No lynch Agan either, she highly active today, and I like it. I think I've already explained well enough about her in an earlier post.

No lynch Pitch either. Look, before you lot consider rushing to Fea's defense here, just remember Pitch might not be too familiar with many of our playing habits. If I had only a few games with Fea I would be following. That is, his logic makes sense for someone who may not be familiar with all of our habits. You see someone say I'm a wolf and then banter about stilettos, you saying that's not reasonable logic to vote someone? So, before rushing onto Pitch to be Fea's savior, think about that.

I've made the same mistake on more than one occasion. Don't fret about it. :)

*snuggles you*

Now then, to business. Lottiepop, what were your checks based upon? Care to share?

EDIT: x'd with Boro....again! :o

Ok, so half the people have voted, and they are spread over 5 people: Greenie, Pitch, Fea, Sally and TEW. I'd rather not add another name into the mix, since it would be a bit of a throwaway, and since I don't have a real suspect this will give me a direction to go, so I'll likely go with one of those five.

Not Fea, cause I think that's silly, she tends to be more useful after Day 1s are out of the way.

Not Sally, because she amuses me, and I'm getting good vibes right now.

I feel ok with Greenie I think, but am rather clueless about Pitch and TEW. So I may go for one of those two. I'll read through their stuff quickly.

x'ed since Lottipop