mano, mano those are pretty deep thoughts.

some times...i wonder...how come legolas' tights never got ripped or stained??

...i wonder...how come butterbur was so forgetful??? hasnt he ever heard of ginko biloba???

thats all for now ~ happy haloween [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

~ why Denethor didn't bother to save on fuel by throwing himself in the Minas Tirith beacon.

~ why Faramir didn't just push him in himself.

It's a long jump... [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Anywhen...

Ever wonder how Gollum uses his nose and ears as a watch/clock/time-telling device?

Later days! [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img]
->banakil on mumakil

Out of pure egotism, I revive this thread.

From the TTT movie...
Ever wonder...

~...if Faramir and his men have teleportation?

~...what happened to Glamdring, and why Gandalf hits the Uruk-Hai with his staff?

~...how Gimli understood "Pendraith!"

and, most importantly(not from the movie)...

~Ever wonder if LotR is payback for 1776?

Later days! [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img]
->Elenrod

[ 12:30 AM November 27, 2003: Message edited by: Nilpaurion Felagund ]

The first line of the Kings of Rohan was burried on the West side of Edoras. The second was on the east. Ever wonder where the third line would be (ie where Eomer was burried)?

Ever wonder why Luthien does most of the work but Beren gets most of the credit?
Ever wonder how can Imrahil be related to Nimrodel, even distantly, if there were only 3 unions of Elves and Men?

Ever wonder how Gildor can be Inglorion (ie son of Finrod) when Finrod didn't have a wife?

Ever wonder...
 

...why Tuor became immortal if Beren could not/was not allowed to?
...how Tuor was able to get to Valinor past the Enchanted Islands and the Shadowy Seas without the help of a Silmaril?

...if other people are wondering about the exact same thing? :p
...how any unanswered questions there are still to wonder about? ;)

Ever wonder why Fingon has to be the Lord of Hair (from fin+kano)?

Ever wondered why Frodo and Sam did not hear Boromir's horn?

They probably did, but didn't turn back.

When talking to Faramir, Frodo is surprsed at his story, and has to count how many days ago was that and what was he doing on that day. If he heard the horn, wouldn't he just know?

I was caught by that too-- what I didn't realize (until after I had written about it) but there were only three NOLDORIN unions of elves and men. Tolkien doesnt count the silvan unions. Mithrellas was silvan, and she wedded Imrazor, a man from Dol Amroth (which probably wasn't named Dol Amroth at the time?)

Eh? Since when was Lúthien a Noldo?

However, the actual line (LotR Appendix A) is "There were three unions of the Eldar and the Edain". Not all Elves are Eldar. Tolkien later (see History of Galadriel and Celeborn) cast the Silvan Elves as descendants of the Nandor, thus Eldar– but this wasn't so at time he wrote the Appendices to Lord of the Rings. In "Of the Elves" (Appendix F), it's stated that "The Elves far back in the Elder Days became divided into two main branches: The West-elves (the Eldar) and the Eastelves. Of the latter kind were most of the elven folk of Mirkwood and Lórien..."

Apart from that, the marriage of Mithrellas and Imrazôr is presented as more of a tale than an historical fact: "The legend of the prince's line", "the tradition of his house" etc. (History of G & C again). So maybe it's supposed to be off-the-record because nobody's sure if it really happened.

How would you explain Imrahil's beardlessness, then?

I'm not saying the Dol Amroth-ites aren't meant to have some Elvish blood, but just that it appears no-one's sure exactly how they acquired it. So it doesn't have an"official" standing, if you see what I mean.

The main thing, though, I think, is that at the time Tolkien wrote the Appendices, he didn't consider Silvan Elves to be Eldar anyway.

Interestingly, for the first edition Tolkien wrote that there were three unions of the High Elves and Men, and only much later in the 1960s revised this to Eldar and Edain. By the time of this revision, Tolkien had come to think of the Silvan Elves of Mirkwood and Lorien as Eldar, but...

Music to my ears Nerwen! Plus Appendix F (on translation) notes that the term Eldar referred to the Elves who had passed Oversea save the Sindar only: which I take as meaning only the Sindar -- of those elves who did not pass Oversea -- were considered Eldar.

It makes sense compared to the other citation from Appendix F, as the Sindar went just about as West as one could go without passing Oversea -- thus the West-Elves are the Eldar, and the East-elves are not (though not necessarily Avari). Tolkien never revised these author-published descriptions.


And so the legend of Mithrellas ('Grey-leaf'?), if true, did not include a High Elf in 1955, nor an Elda in the revised editions.

Inglorion, if it contains -ion 'son, descendant' (as I would suggest it does) would mean 'Son of Inglor'. Who is Inglor? As I'm sure you know, you were never supposed to know Inglor was 'once' a name of Felagund externally -- noting that Tolkien himself never published that Inglor was Felagund's name, he simply first published that Finrod, but not Felagund... was Galadriel's father!

ahem :D

So you can't really wonder this unless you know the 'unpublished' background, (otherwise you could not state that Inglor was once a name for Felagund) -- and once you know the background, you realize that Inglor is only 'Finrod' in an abandoned sense, and so...

... ever wonder who Inglor is? ;)



And you can wonder if Inglor as Felagund had a wife at the time Tolkien wrote or published Gildor Inglorion. I checked this out myself, and I think (IIRC) I found out that it was possible enough, for JRRT didn't always think that Inglor/Finrod had had no wife.

The Shibboleth of Feanor explains...

'It would have been sufficient for Fingolfin to give to his eldest son a name beginning with fin- as an echo of the ancestral name, and if this was also specially applicable it would have been approved as a good invention. In the case of Fingon it was suitable...'

So in my opinion Findecáno would have really 'meant' commander with an ancestral (and suitable) prefix added. If Fingon had been a true Sindarin name it might have conveyed 'Hair-shout' rather, if interpretable at all, but in this case Fingon was just a Sindarization of his Quenya name in any event.

I happened to, once. That brought me to do a quick google search, that revealed that Inglor used to be the name of Finrod in earlier drafts. ;) :D :Merisu: