He did rather, I guess that as their faces are covered they thought they could get away with that.

Yeah, that one did look like a girl........ maybe she pulled and Eowyn and snuck along with the guys? j/k, but, ya know, it could happen.

Either that, or the guys there must have a thing with eyeliner!

I saw where Legolas pointed something out to Aragorn, is where L trips before or after that?

well im goin to see tt today so i can check those things out. whee!

notice, when Legolas trips, he also bends down and trys to cover by inspecting his shoes?<p>[ February 22, 2003: Message edited by: eleanor_niphredil ]

This was confusing to me:<BR>When the army is entering the Black Gates and Sam & Frodo go down the hill, wouldn't the army see them falling down and putting the cloak on? I know they can't see them when they're under the cloak, but wouldn't they see them beforehand? Peripheral vision?

I guess thats what you get from leaving your glasses at home!

I was bit confused at how they did not see that... though the army was already halfway through the gate when Sam fell. I guess they were conveniently behind a rock when the two Easterlings came over.

i am so glad i finally found people who agree about the faramir thing! i could kill peter jackson for that, though the rest of the film is amazing............<P><BR>i love faramir! he ruined my dreams (sob)!

AAH! I missed Legolas tripping!! How could I do such a thing? How?<P>Could anyone help me by telling me where it is? Noticed the Gimli pouch thing, noticed the female Easterling or whatever they were thing, but No Leggy trip or pointing thing. Help?

He only trips slightly, a quick stumble, not very noticable, probably why they didn't retape it.

Did anyone besides me notice Legolas and Aragorn smirking when Theoden and Gimli were talking in front of the gate? My sister, who notices EVERYTHING has missed it twice now. It was a classic example of the "Legolas smirk", which seems to say "I'm like, so totally in control of this situation. I just can't get over myself!"

i saw that. i wanted to smack him

here's something that I don't get:<BR>When the Uruk-Hai are raising the ladders at helm's deep Aragorn shouts 'Ladders' in Elvish. So how come Gimli understands? He doesn't speak elvish!

i assumed that elvish was an international language along with the common tongue, and everyone spoke it regardless of their race

also in the extended version of fotr gimli insults the elves in lothlorien in elvish. just thought i'd add that.

It's from hanging with Legolas.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> also in the extended version of fotr gimli insults the elves in lothlorien in elvish. just thought i'd add that. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>i just assumed that was dwarvish. clever gimli then!

It is dwarvish, isn't it? I've certainly never heared any elvish that sounds like that!

I'm almost sure it was dwarvish, because Gimli was getting P.O.ed about Haldir and Aragorn talking in elvish, which he couldn't understand, so he figured he would say something that Haldir didn't understand. But I think Haldir got the point anyway.

It was dwarvish, and they made the mistake of having Aragorn understand it. As far as I know Aragorn doesn't understand Gimli, Gandalf was on of the only outsiders to speak the language.

oops sorry! my bad! i just always thought it was elvish can you ever forgive me??<p>[ March 02, 2003: Message edited by: merenwen ]

Is it also just me, or in TT at Helm's Deep when Aragorn shouts "Charge" in Elvish does it sound like "Tallyho!!" My friend and I both noticed that the first time we watched TT, and we turned to each other at the same time and said "He said Tallyho, didn't he?"

Wonder where they got their eyeliner... <BR>And they might have been commanders or something- normal troops would have been ordered to just keep marching, short of a full-out attack on them. "Let us take care of it" etc.

Tallyho??? aragorn?? sounds more like something Gandalf would have said as he charged down the hill with the rohirrim. and he would have waved his hat like a cowboy hat, and lassoed a few dozen uruk-hai, who would have said: "aw, shucks..." or something like that.

That shot always bugs me, mostly because it is physically impossible!

Yeah i thought he said Tallyho too! My friend and I did the same thing! lol. Oh yeah and about that whole Legolas jumping on the horse thingy: They had the shot of Orli standing with the horse running at him, but Orli got hurt so he left and they didn't shoot the rest of the sene with him so instead of just reshooting the whole thing they comuter animated the rest of him "jumping" onto the horse. And they had to do some work with the stunt man but all in all the was not Orli jumping on to the horse. He isn't like Jackie Chan and do all of his own stunts. ( Jackie Chan is so cool!)

You like Jackie Chan? Me, too! I thought the Orli/horse thing was cool, especially since I knew that it was actually possible.

That is such a cool shot, I want to try it on my pony although I suspect he'd go nuts if I did.<P>Also, in the shot on whethertop where the witch-king is coming forward to get Frodo, what are the others doing?

Have you ever noticed in The two towers that they elves and men are simply stading there waiting for war, but what would be going through their heads?<P>Aragorn-aww man, I gotta brush up on my Elvish..<P>Theoden-man, i'm not possessed anymore but now I have this to contend with!?<P>heh just some thoughts<p>[ March 18, 2003: Message edited by: ElenCala Isil ]

That's a good point, what would they be thinking at Helm's Deep? Here's some pieces from the <A HREF="http://www.stupidring.com" TARGET=_blank>Stupid Ring Parody</A> that could help...<P>Gimli: Right now I just want to hew a few orc necks, kind of get loosened up. How about you?<P>Legolas: Lock and load baby, lock and load.<P>~*~<BR>Odd Narrator: And the lightning crashed... revealing a whole @&!*load of orcs beyond the wall. <P>Aragorn: Holy Guacamole! That's a lot of orcs.<P>Orcs in the front: GRR!!! Howl!!! Pffft pfft!<P>Various orcs in the back: I can't see a darned thing. Hello.... that's my foot you're standing on! Here, put Snaga up on your shoulders so he can report. Has the fighting started yet? Ugh... I hate crowds. Does ANYBODY know what's happening? Not... enough... air... I think I'm gonna hurl! EWWW! That's just great! <P>Snaga: Yes, I think I can see.... looks like they're attacking the gates.<P>~*~<BR>Gimli: Ha! I beheaded two orcs! Blood went everywhere... that was fun! <P>Legolas: Oh is that all? Me and AK killed 847 from up here. Man, it's fun to keep pumping bullets into 'em while they twitch.<P>~*~<P>Just a few there...I'll be back when I get more!!!

what were they thinking when they filmed the scene in Moria where gandalf says "fly you fools" and falls. now is it just me or does it look like gandalf lets go? to me it doesn't look like he falls. i mean i know hes old and all but he's a wizard he could have got back up. the staff and sword weren't that important were they?? lol

This seems like a movie post. Moving it there.

Phew, found! My heart skipped a beat when I saw it closed on Middle-earth mayhem, 'What on earth have I done now?'<P>Anyway, I agree, I thought at the time it looked rather like Gandalf was letting go, here probably is a reason , but I don't know it.

Nobody loves me! <BR>Why don't they put Frodo across as one of the earlier Hobbits?<BR>Why is Glamdring after the Balrog, when It dropped before, and Gandalf can catch up? Surely that shot is against all the laws of physics!

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Why don't they put Frodo across as one of the earlier Hobbits? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I'm not sure what you mean here.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Why is Glamdring after the Balrog, when It dropped before, and Gandalf can catch up? Surely that shot is against all the laws of physics! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Watch again. Gandalf has Glamdring in his hand when the balrog falls. He drops the sword when he is pulled over. As for how he catches up to the sword... he's a wizard. What would you prefer? He fights the balrog with his bare hands? He's fumbling with the sword while he's delivering his "Fly you fools line"? He loses the sword? <P>I could talk all day on how LoTR defies the laws of physics but the simple fact is it was a very cool shot. Enjoy it.<P>H.C.<p>[ April 10, 2003: Message edited by: HCIsland ]

Clearly Glamdring must have bumped into the rocky walls on the way down, thus being periodically deccelerated. Additionally, any tumbling motion could have increased the air resistance. The Balrog's violent thrashing no doubt providing considerable air resistance, whereas Gandalf had the wits to skydive head down, streamlining himself as much as possible. We should also consider that Gandalf was drafting on the Balrog. Finally, during the initial moments of Gandalf's fall, he would still have had the whip around his ankle and could have cleverly used that to increase his downward acceleration.<BR>I think the really cool part of all this is how Frodo dreamed the sequence from so many different angles.<p>[ April 10, 2003: Message edited by: mark12_30 ]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Watch again. Gandalf has Glamdring in his hand when the balrog falls. He drops the sword when he is pulled over. As for how he catches up to the sword... he's a wizard. What would you prefer? He fights the balrog with his bare hands? He's fumbling with the sword while he's delivering his "Fly you fools line"? He loses the sword? <BR>I could talk all day on how LoTR defies the laws of physics but the simple fact is it was a very cool shot. Enjoy it.<BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>OK! You're right about when he dops the sword, I wasn't paying attention when I was typing.<BR> <BR> <BR>I mean when they're jumping accross the gap in the stairs, and Aragorn and Frodo are the last to cross, wouldn't it have made sense to have Frodo go across with, say, Boromir?

Not from a plotting standpoint. Frodo is the central character of this film. He needs to be front and center. I think most any film maker (if they were to come up with this wild sequence to begin with) would have done the same thing.<P>Speaking of hobbits with Boromir, this film does a great, and very subtle job, of keeping Merry and Pippin connected emotionally with Boromir.<P>Check out all the scenes that have Merry and Pippin with Boromir.<P>*When the "crebain from Dunland" come.<BR>*On the pass of Caradhras (sp?).<BR>*Jumping the gap on the stairs near the bridge.<BR>*In the boats on the river.<P>This is all subtle building for the movie's climax. In that respect, it was more important to connect Frodo to Aragorn.<P>H.C.