Oh and I forgot my vote.

++Rikae

Oh dear.

Sorry, but you're a false seer.

Ahhhh....I see we clearly have a communications barrier.

That....was....only....one....suggestion. We....could....just....lynch....a....test....subje ct....and....let....the....seers....work....it.... out....for....themselves....without....involving.. ..the....rangers. Why....can't....you....see....that?

That rudeness thing? We're doing it. Let's not, okay?

Let me make sure I understand. You're unhappy about the ranger aspect of this plan, I get that. Is that your main problem? I know it could be cumbersome to the village but at the same time (especially if Nog's unable to play any further) the test would give us information. We don't have to out the seers. Heck if I care if we do; I just said I didn't want to know anyway. I'd rather keep it simple, but I feel it's important that our gifteds (which our, of course, a gift, and therefore to be used and taken care of) get the information they need to help the village as best they can.

Nog's leaving. Why not cut our losses?

Heck, I'd be happy with him leaving of self-inflicted causes and finding out that way. I just feel it's a good way to clear up the false seer issue for good, at least for the seers themselves. (And for the record no, I'm not super after Nog just to get him to leave. He mentioned it, and I think he's evil anyway, and I know how much it sucks to not be able to participate in the game when you know you want to help your team.) We don't have to do Nog; I don't care. But what happens if I'm Hestia (I'm not, by the way) and I dream Dun toNight and find out he's a wolf? I campaign to get him lynched, succeed, and find out he's Eros! We've just killed a ranger because I thought my dream was correct and I banked on it. Obviously our seers can't do that right now, but what if they could? What if they (or he or she, whichever if not both is the true seer) could dream with the definite knowledge that their dreams would be correct? What if their dreams were *gasp* concrete?

That's the objection I don't understand. If you don't like the plan, fine. But you can't sit around, say you're innocent, and then go absolutely against a line of planning that leads to the innocents gaining more definite information. Tell me where I'm wrong on that point, just that point. Tell me that I'm wrong for wanting to help the seers know if their dreams are accurate. Tell me why that's evil, or else drop the subject, because that's the only issue up for debate.

P.S. Sorry, I know I'm getting cranky, but this isn't an issue of people saying my plan has flaws, this is people saying that I'm evil for trying to help a gifted. My role is designated to help gifteds, one as much as the next. I'm an innocent, and thus I want to help everybody I can. Don't tell me I'm not doing my job. I'm doing my best.

EDIT: x'd since the post I was obviously responding to. Oh bloody....

Well we can lynch you and find out. ;)

A hint to anyone around...

Both tp and Tum are more or less fiercely against lynching Lottie. That amount of interest should tell you something as there aren't that many innocents who know each others - and how wrong have we been thus far?

I say go for Lottie (the best chance we have of getting one of them - Tum might be related but I'm not sure if that's so clear - tp hasn't stood for her that openly or strongly. But he has really stood out for Lottie the entire game I think.

Autume, tell us who you dreamed of the previous nights?

I like this plan. Well, apart from lynching Lottie, that is.

Oh bugger. Whether you're lying or honest, real seer or false, bugger. Bugger.

No, we can't do that! That was my plan, and everyone hated it! :cool:

Sorry dear, but Sally's the only real seer.

NO!

Um, Tum. If you were wishing not to die today, I'm not sure if that was the best vote. Understand- I'm not saying you're lying, but... I mean- we can't prove you're the Seer, so we can't for certain believe you. Plus you may be false. And I don't think Rikae was likely to attract a run of votes.

I can understand revealing in your position, but to go ahead and cast your vote like that? Not a good plan at all.

I'm not sure if you're insulting me or teasing. Either way, I laughed a little. Thanks for that.

Why not? Do I not understand something? Why not?

Cross posted with Phantom and Sally again.

This. You just condemned yourself to die, more or less.

No she's not. She's Hestia.

Is this a good idea? If the general consensus is yes then I will.

Edit: x-ed with bunches

No, no, no, no, no. Not unless you dreamed someone who is dead. Then yes.

What is Rikae's role then? You said wolf, but not goddess. Speak up, be heard! Tell all!

I'm far smarter than that (as usual). :Merisu:

Ares. Plain 'ole wolf. No lover.

Good heavens, I feel like a moronic newbie. I still don't understand. You mean, she may be false, therefore if she lists names that are really false, innocents could die? Eh...it's true. But it is possible that we will be able to decipher what her dreams told her and determine of they are true or not.

-- Foley

x-posted with Tum, Sally, and Sally.

Oops... it seems we have a totally new situation...

And Rikae's comment about Sally being the seer compared with Tum's message of Rikae being as wolf would kind if fit together.

So how many votes do we have to check Rikae out? Can we make it?
Or is there a possdibility that Tum might sacrifice for something we don't want to stay alive?

You just lost the game, Sally. :p

Aren't you? Bugger.

Really, Autume, I believe you dreamed me and got wolf - it explains the nonsensical way you went after me more than anything, but I'm still not a wolf. I suppose my death would be one way to find out, but I kind of hope the other seer might know something tomorrow that will straighten all this out.

If she's legit and she names innocent names then yes, people could be killed. If she's false I don't care, but we don't know yet, so I'd much rather wait.

If she's even telling the truth, that is.

Okay, Nog, I'm sorry I said you were being a jerk. But understand– normally you're someone I like playing with, and consider one of the more valuable players. This time around I'm just... perplexed. You really sound like you're much more interested in lashing out at anyone who disagrees with you in any way, than you are in actually catching wolves... or even in giving the appearance of wanting to catch wolves.

Well, you know... you did vote her. Lottie is in the lead at the time of posting, and I really can't see why.

It looked to me like you were seeing how easy a lynch she'd be.

EDIT:X'd with everyone for ages.

I didn't realize that. Newbie mistake. If you lynch me I guarantee you that I will NOT be a wolf and will be revealed as the Seer. Besides do you really think that I could come up with a plan to reveal as a Seer as a wolf. This would only be my second game. I know I'm smart, but I'm not sure I'm that smart. Besides that'd be bad taste. At least for me.

Well we could still coordinate enough to save you. I need to look at votes.

Again, assuming we want to save you.

See, this is why plans are bloody good things. *whimpers into her pillow*

My bet is she's not bluffing.

But...guys...listen. It doesn't make sense that if Tum is the Seer that she is the false one, because Boromir seemed to be false, didn't he? He seemed to be pointing to Eonwe being a wolf, and Eonwe was our only completely innocent chap around.

x-posted with Sally.

Tum, are you Hestia or Apollo? My apologies if you said and I missed it.

Nog --> Lottie
Greenie --> Nog
Lal --> Lottie
Zil --> Tum
Wilwa --> Tum
Mira --> Phantom
Mac --> Lottie (3)
Rikae --> Tum
Nienna --> Tum (4)
Tum --> Rikae

Don''t you know wolves that you may win the mind-games at the last minutes but most of us (well prolly not me) have time to look closely at these last moments during the Night and a few should read it right after the facts by the Mod?

So should you start with Rikae or tp?

Rikae would be the safest bet if we have votes enough.

Apollo

I did not deny that I said those words, I denied that it was personal. I had a bad feeling about you would be better, I suppose. Personally, you are awesome. Game-wise, you look furry.

~~~~~~~

Bugger.

I've been your packmate before, Tum. And false revealing as a Seer definitely came up in Night pms. Just throwin' that out there.

Anyone want to counter that? I sure can't.

Four votes still required... or woulld three suffice (the last to gain it was it?)?

Really. I don't remember this. I thought I was packmates with BG and Rikae.

Why would we kill the Phantom?

x-posted with Tum, Nogrod, Sally, Lotty, and Tum again.

False reveals are bad taste? *headdesk*

Autume, I wanted to like you, really.

Folwren, you seem to forget that Boro was pointing even more blatantly to Phantom being Zeus, and we still don't know anything about that; not to mention the wolves would probably not have killed him in the first place if he wasn't right about something.

I suspected as much. I tried not to meta, but we've talked about it in RL before (between games, of course) so it wouldn't surprise me. (Drat.) However, I'm not sure either way. This could be gifted shiftiness or it could be wolfism.

Can we just kill a fur face and let me go to bed? Please?

Our only chance is to check her out. I think we're not in that dire straits we couldn't afford it - even if they got a fifth and a sixth wolf...

I mean don't trust tp's optimism if he's one of them.