Lari I would imagine the cobbler tries to spy on those who xe thinks are gifteds. It would be practically a wasted night if xe spied on a critic... at least for the critics. It could help the cobbler though.

Why does it looked like Mac was spied on on night 1? Back then it was a thing only the cobbler knew and if there was suspicion against him, the critics couldn't (possibly) know he had been (possibly) spied on.

edit: xed with Gwath

Are you sure? I've been under the impression that if we didn't get a Critic toDay, it would all be over.

I don't know, I was going off sally's vote tally...
The day Fea was lynched, people were talking about our interactions and everything...ok, and I told you to go take a deeper look. And by the way when you quoted my "Be Prepared" thing, I was responding to Lari. I just wanted to reference my favorite song sung by an amazing villain (By the way, did you know there's a youtube video out there of Irons singing an Eric Clapton song? He's pretty good).

Ok, now back to the day Fea was lynched...I came out and Mac raised his arms up in the air and said it looked evil because it appeared I was trying to argue that Fea was never dreamed of thus Fea was innocent. Which I wasn't trying to do, no one gave me the chance to get to Day 2. Anyway, say I am a critic with Fea, and either we devised a plan to defend her or sacrifice her, (if I was a critic, I would throw her under the bus no problem...but that's besides the point).

Now, don't you think we would have had a clearly communicated plan to either defend or sacrifice? Look at the posts, I did some severe back-pedalling and echoed tp and Mac. Fea and I were not on the same page that day, thus I never had any communication with her, either directly or by a dead drop.

Edit: crossed with everyone since Agan's post I was responding to.

No, yeah, you're right. I just counted, and we'd be in bad shape toMorrow, but not completely finished.

Oh, crossed with Boro

I am going to look that up right now.

I think it's Wonderful Tonight. I would link it, but from this computer youtube doesn't work well. It would take about 15 minutes to load.

I know you were responding to her, but Be Prepared is so my thing that it certainly occurs to me that it was directed at me when I see it somewhere.
And ooh I didn't know. *goes to look it up* :p (<-- drooling smiley)

Yes, one could think so. However (call me stubborn) it doesn't prove anything, and it certainly doesn't mean you couldn't be the cobbler.

edit: xed with Gwath & Boro

Heh heh... I noticed the "D" and "I" after my Day 1 read-through, and was quite disappointed not to find a "V". I remember thinking, "Ah, so it looks like Kath is the- no... wait... I guess she's not."

Well, that's nice to know.

Fair point. Still five players, but two critics and three ordos instead of two critics, two ordos, and Walter.

Wrong. If I was the cobbler and knew about Fea I'd throw her under the bus too. As a wolf she can't hope to survive to the bitter end, we all know this.

Also, if I was the lead evil-singer here, don't you think I could drum up some quacko suspicion case against anyone, and get them lynched. Don't believe I couldn't. If I really wanted to lynch someone I'd be after Walter now.

Look at the posts though, I have absolutely no idea who's what and where beyond I know you're the soulmate and I believe Kath (speaking of which I could probably refute and turn the vote against her if I was a critic, or walter). I don't know who's who here, and I thought if we could get our number down to 3, 2 being critics, that was our best shot we had at winning.

Boro, old pal. Problem is, today is "lynch-a-baddie-or-die", and not "lynch-a-critic-or-die". Bumping off Walter is an extremely attractive prospect. So you must understand the danger you have put yourself in.

Not that you need to stay in danger. You've been handed a get-out-of-jail-free card. I'm surprised you aren't using it.

And don't expect me to help and hand it to you. No, no, I'm in Box 5 now. Watching the show.

If you're trying to be intimidating, it's working.

tp it'll all make sense.

Did I say he was spied on Night 1? If I did I didn't mean to. But spying on Mac after Day 1 would have been a good move for the cobbler because of all the Mac suspicion. Either xe gets an innocent or a wolf or a gifted. I mean, with all the suspicion going around on Day 1 it seemed like both the cobbler and the seer would have probably spied on Mac.

I'm going to go read shasta's posts.

I know what you're up to, lad. I expect if you dodge the noose you'll make yet another move right at the deadline, yes?

It is merely that I'm thinking you might not be given the chance.

I do enjoy your singing.

The thing with werewolf is, you can never know when someone takes the one step further and says, "I can't be a baddie because baddies don't do this." And I'm too stubborn to be convinced even if all the evidence is against my opinion (what it isn't, at least in this case).

I have to vote in half an hour because my friends want to go watch Australia.

Lari you said his name first which made me think it was the order you thought they had been spied on. Maybe because I had this little thought that Mac could have been spied on first, too.

I agree it looks like tgwbs dreamt of him, though.

edit: xed with Gwath & phantom

The only move I'm going to make is self-preservation.

Agan and look where stubbornness gets us? :p

I certainly hope Shasta is back for deadline & has time to read through these posts. Assuming he's innocent of course. If he's a baddie it doesn't matter.

Wow I just accidentally realised I can bold, italize & underline text with Ctrl+B/I/U, respectively, on the Downs too. :D

edit: xed with Boro. Yeah, I know. ;)

Oh it was just a random order that I thought of.

Australia was...ok. It wasn't horrible and if you like Hugh Jackman and Hugh Jackman shirtless and dirty its good. There are about as many endings as ROTK though. So much better than Seven Pounds though.

Anyway, yeah, I should go back through the posts but I think I'm going to have to vote early too.

The only shot for preservation of myself...

++sally

If you really are innocent sally, my apologies. Critics have fallen before by simple preservation votes, lets hope.

Well, I don't expect Boro to retract, but I'll implore Kath to do so. Lynching me ends the game. And by ends the game I mean we (the ordos) lose.

How early?

Kath and I will be certainly away at deadline so there will be five of you around, three of whom baddies.

Ouch.

Heck.

If I (or another innocent) vote for someone else than sally, the baddies can lynch whoever they want or make a double lynch. At least I think so.

I don't want to complicate things but I know that my lynching ends the game so....

++Boro

Unless Kath or Agan would prefer someone else.

Ya well so does mine

I would prefer Boro! But if I vote him now, it's 2-2, with three votes to come, at least one of which (probably more) is that of a baddie, not to mention the possibility to retract.

And unless you both are baddies, we'd be doomed.

Don't you love Weird Al?

White and Nerdy

The Saga Begins

Polkarama!

And I would like it not to be me.

If there is a crapshoot you want to take on someone else, I will retract my sally vote.

I still think this is somewhat creepy.

edit: xed with phantom & Boro

It would have been earlier but I found a computer.

Well, everyone sounds creepy at times.

So what's the vote count right now?

Sorry I simply have to go.

++Boro

For previous suspicions and general lack of trust, and the thought that I'm going to be angry if he's a baddie and manages to talk himself out of the situation.

I guess it's goodbye then unless the baddies come up with something weird again - or unless the game ends today.

Good luck bunnies.

I so hate being a known innocent.

Ok. All eight of Shasta's posts.

Day 1 banter.

He does not give any kind of reason for his suspicion of Nogrod, and doesn't even end up voting for him.

Instead of Nogrod. No explanation.

And here's all the explanation we ever got for his tgwbs vote. I accept his RL-busy-ness excuse as legitimate, though. I've been in the same position myself.

...

This is unsurprising, given that Fea was the vote du jour. Pretty conventional. Also, this post, like most of his others, is incredibly brief - due to RL again?

This reasoning sounds identical to the reasoning behind his early suspicion of Nogrod, and is similarly undescriptive. It would appear that Shasta is following the established voting trend, like he did with Fea.

Hopefully he will return before DL to explain what he means in the final paragraph. I'd also be interested to know to what extent he's been paying attention - is it enough that he would still be able to pull off a critic or cobbler role?

Overall:
As a rule, Shasta's posts have been very short and very thin on content. Ultimately, I don't think Shasta will ever get lynched because he's so unobtrusive (8 posts!) and Nogrod is not here. Silence-due-to-RL is really an ideal place for a wolf or critic to hide; has anybody suspected Shasta at all this game? I really think that he is as busy as he says, so I guess all we can do is hope he is innocent. I'm not prepared at this point to vote someone for being quiet.

And when it's proven that I'm not, you'll be the one eating my shoes.

Gwath, I think the options are down to either sally or me. I hope you choose correctly (or that is if you choose me, I know it would be incorrect). But make a decision and stand by it.

Kath--> Sally
Boro--> Boro
Boro--> -- Boro
Boro--> Sally
Sally--> Boro
Agan--> Boro

Boro 3, Sally 2

I'm going to go with the Sally suspicions and vote

++Sally

Which makes it 3 Sally and 3 Boro

Is that right?

Try again, Lariren.

Are you sure? There are 7 of us. 2 are critics. 5 are non-critics. Say (for the sake of argument) that you die and you're innocent. The critics kill Aganzir, and we then have 2 critics and 3 non-critics. I realize that the cobbler might still be alive (unless you're the cobbler), but he/she doesn't necessarily know who the critics are. The odds wouldn't be good, but the game could still go the either way.

Doesn't everybody?

Where am I missing it?

Boro's retraction.