The voice of dead Fea (who is currently re-reading the book) says "One. Don't tell me anything about it (the movie). Two. Go read the darned book."

Ok... back to ww. So I'm thinking this thing between Sally and Rikae is possibly just two ordos not agreeing and latching onto suspicions. I went through all of Sally's posts and she doesn't seem like the wolf/baddie-Sally that I have seen and called out in previous games.

Shasta still worries me. He hasn't been around very much and what he has done while around has been quite suspicious... especially his voting. I look forward to an analysis of him as I don't have time to do one myself.

We went to see it, but I think the projectionist must have gotten mixed up and played The Fellowship of the Ring instead... :p

Lari, dear... that count should read Form and Sally 1 :Merisu:

Fixed.

And Boro, what book would that be? How to Catch and Mount Butterflies?

I miss Phantom now....:(



:Merisu:


Now stop distracting me!!!

You know interesting enough, when I was watching the puppy over the weekend I saw this dark blue butterfly. I was going to take a picture of it for the Dark Monarch...maybe even photoshop a boot in there and smash it, but by the time I got my phone and back outside, I couldn't find it.

Really, ok I must stop now...I can't be goaded this easily...maybe I should return to Starbucks there's a good offer after 3 pm today if I hand them a receipt

Edit:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow (Post 607803) No I'm an A's fan, they just happen to be playing the Yankees.

:D

He uses quite a lot of energy to say it's just a retractable grumpy vote.

Explaining himself too much again. Why would it occur to explain a thing most people would not even think about it unless it is something sinister? If a normal Form prefers to be careful and hates Day1 lynches, what would drive him to act differently, if not the role of a bear? (A bear needs to maximise the destruction because it takes him ages to get to the situation where he wins.)

I noticed this though:
I'm not sure if he would have killed him if this is what he thought.

Sorry Alona and Boro, I will be the smiley dictator yet for a while - but doesn't that smiley seem somewhat disturbing? I think it looks sort of... nervous to add it there.

And this still rubs me the wrong way - he is too analytical about the bear's picking patterns and tactics and generally just thinking too much of the bear not to be the bear himself.

That's it. Seems like my fix idée has some base (but it could have more). It still gets my vote:

++Formendacil

Better get rid of the bear early and thus lower the amount of kills during the Nights.


edit: xed with everybody except Boro's first post after mine

Mmmm, neither alona or Form are looking very good right now. I just can't figure out who looks more suspicious...


Who to vote for?

The bear can think about being the bear all he/she likes, but it's a different matter entirely to type up his/her thoughts and post them. In other words, I don't think that argument has much to it.

I was under the impression Form always explains himself, among other things, a lot. Explaining is a favorite past-time of many people I know, and I am at least under the impression that he is one of them.

I do tend to trust Form rather than distrust, and I cannot say I can read him, but I have absolutely no idea where people are getting some huge bear vibe, maybe particularly because I don't know what a bear vibe is. All anyone seems to have to offer is that a bear likes to talk about his/herself, which I don't buy.

Anyway...sudden attention so completely away from Sally (and alona) is not *necessarily* bad, but is definitely weird.

So what does a wolf/baddie-Sally look like?

You're just hung up on it cause I picked you. ;) I did not want to leave the lynch up to chance, and I wanted my vote to count for something. I waited as long as I felt it was safe to vote, waiting to see if someone else would break the tie, and making up my mind whether I needed to break the tie or could just vote for Mira (though by the end I had decided that tie or not, I was going to vote you rather than throw away my vote). But no one chose to break it until the last minute. Inziladun and morm seemed innocent to me, you did not. And I am still perfectly happy with my vote.

The Form case looks rather weak. He's one to reminisce about the old days quite a lot in any event - and the smiley? I like it. It's funny.

Lommy (not just for the Form stuff) and Nienna are just somehow creepy. I have to give this more thought... but they both give a going-with-the-flow, looking-for-a-wagon-to-join-rather-than-a-wolf sort of feel. More later, I have to go make ice cream sundaes.

How about whom you think to be suspicious, and not just someone who looks to be on the lynching block other than Sally? :Merisu: :p

This Form suspicion has seemed to come not from nowhere, but definitely almost as a sidetrack from me and Sally. It's confusing and is inadvertently adding to my suspicion of Sally. I think I'm gonna go back and do another read-through of Day 2...

When I played with her last game, she was very wolfish. Very obvious to the point where I didn't think she could be a wolf because it was so obvious. Does that make sense?

That's probably true! :) It's just the wording that caught me off guard, but I understand your reasoning.

So Shasta's not said a lot either, which is why I decided to do him next. There's not a lot to go on but some people suspect him and I want to see why (because they may be right for all I know, and I've just not noticed). Here goes.

So just silly stuff, mostly. Defends Nerwen's silliness and then says he needs to vote Phantom because it's tradition.

Just bringing up stuff from a past game and then making jokes. Nothing to trace there either.

Directly follows his last post. Still talking about the previous game so I don't know. (Although if he's the ranger and this is his idea of a hint I'll slap him lol.)

Votes Pitchie because of his first post, which seems to have started the entire case against Pitch. I didn't find it that suspicious (I suspected Pitch later, myself) but I also know Shasta seems busy so maybe he just didn't have time to either come up with a better vote or to explain it more.

Again, not a lot. Erm, be he leaving a trail at all?

He just quoted Durelin talking about *checks* oh rubbish, I don't know exactly what she was talking about. *looks up* Ah. Okay, Durie had said she didn't like the idea of lynching Fea (although I'm not sure if Shasta liked her principle or the fact that she was rather dissing Phanom. Either way). But still, that doesn't give us loads to go on.

He has a point about getting rid of people just because they can't participate, but other than that....now I really see what people mean. (I say people because I can't remember who said it. Unless it was just the voices in my head:eek:) It seems he did start the main suspicion against Pitch, and while he had no way of knowing Pitch was the seer (unless he saw something I didn't) I still think it's a bit off. However, his point about Pitch's switch to me is valid, and I've already spoken on it so I shan't repeat it here.

Interesting point, again, about the vote switch. Maybe....maybe he dreamed Hakon for whatever reason and knew he wasn't evil?

Bit harsh. But he's right; he didn't say a thing about Rikae. Has this been cleared up? Because if not, I'm going to take another look at Form.

Again, he's got a point. (See below post commentary, by the way) Now I'm not saying that he's innocent, but I like some of the points he's making. (Okay, so the like two points he's made I'm okay with. I'm not saying he's prolific either. Just that the few things he's said of consequence aren't complete rubbish.)

Above commentary applies. Doesn't matter who it was, it's still a bit suspicious.

Heh. Glad he's not; the thread's been busy enough. :p

I don't think Mira would make the same sort of mistake, but anything's possible.


So really, there's not a lot here either. He suspects (or at least did yesterDay) Mira and thinks Form's shifty as well. He also hasn't left any sort of trace regarding other people; it's almost like he's trying to avoid commenting on the big issues that have been discussed in the game. It might be because he's busy, so I don't really want to lynch him toDay, but I'll be keeping an eye on him.

Rikae can you clarify creepy for me... I'd like to respond but yet find I don't know how to respond as I don't know what creepy means...

A baddie-Sally doesn't tend to overly state that she is innocent. She tends to imply her innocence without saying it out-right. I may be wrong with this but it is what I have noticed. So I trust her for the moment.

Weren't you only with me in the last game? 'Cause last game I think Boro and I planned that whole flirt thing just to have fun. And I was under somewhat special instructions from Lari to be amusing. Just saying, so you don't get the wrong impression based on last game. (Although I do like a fair bit of crazy. Heh.)



EDIT: either I x'd with Nienna or just didn't read her post. Anyway....*gives her a cookie*

I'm going to have to look at your posts to see what exactly gave me that impression, but generally staying in the background, going with the flow, giving the impression of hiding in the shadows.

While, admittedly, I am on nearly a full hour later than I expected to be (I am totally blaming the used bookstore, especially since anyone here who disapproves of getting a copy of Tolkien's Pictures is an Inktomi Slurp Spider and deserves death!), but I'm still highly--very highly--amused that after bothering to warn against an Inziladun-vote-for-Morm (ie. saying when I'd be back), I get almost that.

Really, though, Morm, you're memory is grossly flawed if you don't remember that I constantly refer to normal playing styles. Granted, my own playing style can hardly be called "normal" when I play about 2 games a year, but even so, having recently gone through old games to update my Grimoire just after the last game, I feel confident in saying this is normal. You can either take my word for it, or read through half a dozen old and buried threads to confirm it.

I'm rather more miffed that you voted for me after sparing me so little attention--a couple of minor "Form looks a touch suspicious"-type posts early toDay, and lots of banter then about other stuff, and then this is as in-depth as I get? The old Morm would have given me the full police-style breakdown.

Oh wait... there's another reference to the old days. My abject apologies.

Yeah, last game was the first time I'd ever played with you. And noted for future games. I think everybody likes a little bit of crazy sometimes, haha.

~~~

As I posted on the Admin Thread, I'm going to be leaving soon for class, which doesn't end until after the DL, so vote post now, I guess. Since I don't have quite a clear read on whom I should vote for (I think Form's case came out of nowhere, and my suspicion for morm from yesterDay has gone down), here we go:

++No vote

I'm nervous to see what I'm going to come back to, but hopefully we'll nab a baddie. I don't want to risk voting for another ordo or a possible gifted after how many we lynched already, so there's my not-vote.

Boooooo!

That's what she said.

I'm sorry. I know you wanted me to show some backbone, but I think this is the best way I can help the village. Other people will be around and have more time to examine players than I will toDay.

Lommy's case against Form does indeed look like an attempt at scapegoating, especially since after morm's vote for him it was obvious that there's a market for Form-votes. This would mean that both Sally and Lommy are wolves, since Sally is more in the spotlight than Alona, so it would be more efficient to throw more suspicion at Sally than at Form. It's also possible that she's the cobbler and is trying to save both because she shares the mainstream belief that the two are suspicious.

I think I'll put Durelin in my small group of people I trust - she's sensible.

Oh do not start that! I've heard enough of that from phantom.

I agree. I think Form might be suspicious, but not enough to kill him toDay. It's sketchy at best how quickly he became a focus of discussion.

And Mac, just remember that the sensible people aren't always the innocent ones.

Hehe. I was just agreeing with Durie in my own special way.:Merisu:

Thanks for the Shasta analysis sally. Definitely someone I want to keep an eye on, but I don't see anything to lynch him today. Like you said there's not a lot to go on.

As for Form, I really don't see anything that says to lynch him today either.

Now I'm off to do my morm analysis since people were suspecting him yesterday, and since he's now in my radar.

Back in a bit!

Random question. Has Tum disagreed with me at any point in the game? (Not that I'm complaining, since we're friends and all, but....) I'm not the best person to hide behind, but any port in a storm? Give me thoughts, and I'll see if I need to attempt another analysis before my head explodes. :p

So, I just realized that I've still not followed up on my promises of a list. :rolleyes: How typical of me.

Alona-I just get this... Feeling from her. Like sort of a wolfish feel.

Tum-Has played in an honest sort of manner, not giving any reason to suspect her, unless you count her tie-breaker on Day 1.

Durelin-I don't know very well, so I can't give a clear impression. He seems to have a talent of saying a lot of in-depth stuff, yet being completely anonymous almost.

Form-Could be a wolf, I suppose. But then again, can't everyone else?

Lommy-Is giving out clear opinions, not ringing the bells. Don't think she's a baddie.

Mac-Is there yet not. Kind of hard to analyze.

Mira-Is completely floating over my head. I have no idea what to think of her.

Morm-I am very impressed with. Puts himself out there, but kind of gray, rather than black or white, in terms of role.

Nerwen-Is giving me no idea as to what she is. Not fair, really. :p

Nessa-You tell me.

Nienna-Is ringing those tinkly little bells, but there's no reason for me to go after her.

Rikae-Is maybe a bit suspicious, but I don't think she's a wolf.

Sally-I am pretty sure of her innocence at this point. I saw sally!wolf in action last game, and she's completely different this time around.

Shasta-Well, if anything, I know he's not the cobbler, or he'd be catching wolves off the hook. ;)


Well, I kind of suppose I don't know anything about anyone. I think I'm one of the only ones to fail at list making.

*cough* Durelin's a girl. *cough*

To respond to Lommy's sundry accusations...

Really?

Do you not read my LJ, Lommy? You're suspecting me on the basis of talking a lot and too much navel-gazing ramifications? I'm one of those people--believe it or not--who thinks things through too much and has an easier time writing five paragraphs on a subject than limiting myself to a single sentence, though I think I manage not to ramble entirely too much... but that's not for me to decide. All the same, I'm shocked you'd have me lynched on what is essentially my online hallmark.

Regarding your parenthetical comment about a bear wanting to maximize the destruction--I agree with that, as far as it goes, but you haven't thought things through far enough. I am not, in fact, in the post you quote, acting differently from my normal Day 1 self. I am, in fact, taking great pains to make it clear that what I am doing is consistent with my normal, much expressed opinion. Perhaps it's the philosophy student in me, perhaps it's the OCD, but I try quite hard to be consistent in the views I hold. If, therefore, my Day 1 action is suspicious, you're going to have to prove it on the grounds other than my own statement that I was doing something different--because I was not doing something at all inconsistent with my normal practice.


I'm... I'm not even going to dignify what with a written responce. But you can put these in your pipe and smoke them:

:smokin::p:rolleyes:

*blinks*

I'm too analytical?

We're playing Werewolf, of all things, and you think I'm being too analytical? I'm not saying I couldn't be the bear speculating out loud about my own strategies as the bear to misdirect people... but, at the same time, in a game that basically thrives on analysis and reading-into... you're going to convict me on that? Haven't you ever played with Nogrod? (*is being rhetorical... I know the answer)

Now that, Miss Lommy is a fair point. Unfortunately, it's the first one in this post. I'm not the bear, but apparently no one else is showing obvious Bear-signs. Though, really, why should the Bear be that obvious? S/he doesn't have inside knowledge of anyone's role but his/her own--like the Ordos. S/he doesn't dream about or talk to anyone--like the Ordos. And if a Bear has half a set of smarts, s/he should have the sense to eat people that won't leave a trail back to him/her. Really, anyone who appears suspicious during the Day is more likely to be a Wolf, because they're covering for other people that cripples how they can play. A Bear, on the other hand, has goals like a Wolf, but can play more like an Ordo.

All that being said, I still think we can catch the Bear... but I'm not sure we'll be able to distinguish him/her from a wolf before the narration... and you know how certain we can be in any case before that.

I'll answer for you and make it easier for everyone else. I don't think I have disagreed with you yet. I haven't seen anything to disagree with you on at this point.

Ummmm... Who are you talking to, autume?

Gah! I'm so sorry! :eek:

Whoops! That's to sally asking me if I've disagreed with her.

Me.

Meh, happens to the best of us. :)

(That's) what she said.

Here and reading.

Well, I have no idea where my vote should go. It would be Alona, but I'll be sleeping at deadline, and I am loathe to vote someone who has no chance to defend themselves. Sooo.....



++no vote