This thread doesn't deserve to die, but the only thing I can come up with is:

Both of them gave the Elessar to a person they loved (Celebrimbor -> Galadriel,
Arwen -> Aragorn).

(The problem with this is that only in the movie it was Arwen who gave the E. to Aragorn, whereas in the book he got it from Galadriel, so this is probably not what you were thinking of...)

Sorry for the late reply, Pitchwife. I was away over Easter. And thanks for reviving the thread!

And no, that isn't the answer.

Please keep guessing. I'll give you another clue if you want one.

I'll go with a crazy idea on this one -

They were both reponsisble for the creation of banners:
Celebrimbor's body was used as a banner on a pole by Sauron's forces during their campaign, whilst Arwen made the banner for Aragorn.

I know, pretty crazy :D

Might, that's an awesome solution!
I'll bet anything it's true, and even if it isn't, it's ingenious! If I may say so, the Quiz Room wasn't quite the same without you...

P.S. As for your riddle and my answer, I was talking about this here.

Sorry, Might– I didn't notice you'd answered this.:o

You're quite right.

Please take the thread.:)

Wait... what? :eek:

I didn't see that one coming, was pretty sure that this was too crazy to be correct.

Anyways, let me see...


What do Elves of Imladris, the Dúnedain and the Orcs have in common?

Would it be knowing Celebrían? :D :rolleyes:

Or are you really thinking generally? Like, ALL Orcs, ALL Dúnedain?

No, not that, others knew Celebrían as well.
No, I don't mean ALL of them, but it may apply to all of them... not sure.

Meh... it's not that hard you know...

they're all fading races?:confused:

They all are part Elvish. The elves obviously are elvish, the orcs if consider the idea that they are corrupted elves and the Dùnedain if consider the fact that they are descended from Elros.

Hmmm... three possible solutions, in addition to what has been posted above:
1. Some of all three groups took part in the Battle of Dagorlad (at the time of the Last Alliance).
2. Some of all three groups (if you count Elladan & Elrohir as Elves) took part in the Battle before the Morannon (in LotR Book V, Chapter X).
3. At least some of all three groups lived near and/or frequently used the High Pass of the North (Cirith Forn en Andrath).

Nope, none of them.

Keep in mind, as far as I am aware of, this similarity is fairly unique to these groups within M-e.

not originally from Middle Earth?

Elves- Valor
Dunedaine- numenor
Orcs- created?

Nope.

Is it that their homelands are lost (or that they are not in them):

-Elves of Imladris- Valinor (they are exiled)
-Dunedain- Numenor (it was destroyed and they were also in a sense "exiled") or Arnor (it is non-existent)
-Orcs- Angband (it was also destroyed and the also had to flee)

Erm... Miggy? You there?

No, it's all much more simple. Let me put it this way as a hint... it rather has something to do with their lifestyle.

Long lives?

No... let me put it this way... it's about something they all owned.

Hope this will help. :)

Owned at the time or used to own?

No, something they all owned at the time of the War of the Ring. ;)

Something like Rhudaur?

They owned Rhudaur? :eek:

No, no, something more material.

Well, that's the first thing that occured to me :)

Hey, so what if... wasn't it some sort of cordial, they all had it? The miruvor of the Elves of Rivendell, the liquor of the Orcs, and a Dúnadan cordial - possibly remnant of the one used by Númenoreans?

I am not really sure if this is the right answer, I would probably need to give it a bit more thought.

Indeed. :)

You're good, Legate!
*is awed*

Actually, I am awed myself :) I did not expect that much, it was just a thing that occured to me. But a very nice riddle, TM, indeed! (And thanks, Nerwen ! :) )

But, okay, so what about these folks - let's try Frodo Baggins and... Nienor Níniel. What do they have in common?

Running naked?
Frodo hopping around with his friends after escape from the barrow, Nienor running away from both Orcs and her Elven companions to Haudh-en-Elleth.

(P.S. I'm awed, too! And Might, that was really clever.)

Like you said yourself, the other Hobbits did it too. So, no. This was something that neither Sam, nor Merry, nor Pippin shared with Nienor, but only Frodo did.

Something to do with losing a parent?
Frodo was orphaned due to that boating accident, and Nienor was born, grew up and died during Húrin's captivity in Angband.

No, but you are getting close.:)

They both used false names? Underhill and Niniel?

Nope, and I think in Nienor's case it wasn't her choice to pick the name as a cover or anything.

What about this? : Both of them left the place where they had been born and spent their formative years and went to live somewhere else in their early twenties.
Frodo left Buckland and moved to Bag End, Hobbiton to live with Bilbo; Nienor left Hithlum (with Morwen) and moved to Thingol's court in Doriath. He was 22 at the time, she 20 or 21.

No, although really a very nice try. I could as well accept that, because it's really good, but it's not the thing I have been looking for.

Okay, a hint: the question is made intentionally a bit more distant, so look around closer at those who were close to them.

Does it have anything to do with Eagles? Nienor's father and uncle were rescued from peril by Eagles, as was Frodo's guardian, Bilbo.

Nope, but you are right in focusing at Bilbo, for example. Now I think it should be a bit easier to find the thing.

I read that as "Now I think it should be a bit easier to find the ring." ;)

But anyway, hmm....

Of course it should be easier to find the Ring if you focus on Bilbo, you silly Riders should have realised it a long time ago... ;)