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&quot;Who is my favorite bad guy?
That is a foolish question.
I am my own favorite bad guy.&quot;

POW! Take that, you anti-grammarian!

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The ultimate villain is definitely Melkor. He was so mighty and so cruel. The way he handeled with Hurin and his family was the most evil and horrible deed that was ever done in the history of Arda. Anyways Melkor is the bloody CREATOR and MASTER of all evil itself so there mustn't be any doubt that Melkor is the greatest villain of all.

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I liked Saruman the best i dont exactly know y but Saruman, isengard, and orthanc have just always held my interest from the first time i read the book

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Re: Who is your favorite &quot;Bad Guy&quot;.

Well... I must think about it...

... Witch-King of Angmar, I think. Lord of the Nazgul is cooler than Sauron... Of chourse!

And the way he died makes him more cooler. No man could kill him; so it must be woman and hobbit killing him! What an idea!

So... I voted Lord of the Nazgul. Sauron is also cool, but he was too easy to slain.. Nice if he could be seen in book. Anyway, he's good bad guy.

About Morgoth I don't know, I've not readen Silmarillion.

Saruman was one fool thinking he serves himsef, but really helped Sauron the Great!

And Gollum... I don't think his bad at all. He was just poor little guy who wanted the Ring... He's not bad. It's wrong to say him bad.

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There was no mention of either Ugluk or Grishnahk which created a problem for me. However, Saruman was a real bad guy but was destroyed by the direct consequences of his evil- i.e Grima. Reduced to his most pathetic form he lost hius form in a way similar to Sauron: shadow rising up and blown away. However, my favourite bad guy was Ugluk- the only real example of an orc- and an Uruk at that- that was characterized. It took Eomer to slay him- he even had to get off his horse to do it. Not to mention Ugluk's driving of the orc party so far- he beat even Wingfoot himself! (several hours start, lengthened to a couple of days). There is something about evil driven to desperation that strikes a chord. Anyone agree?

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Saruman, He has cool lines, is inventive, great lackeys,
smokes a pipe and lived in two of the coolest places in middle-earth. Not to mention all the betrayal involved, betraying those who trust you makes for great villiany .
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I say Sauron because he's cool, cold and calculated. Undetered, no matter how great his defeats, in a applying his plan. Where as Morgoth (using Morgoths Ring as a source) suffered from &quot;nihilistic madness&quot;. He just wanted to destroy everything untill there wasn't anything left to destroy.
The psycho.

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I voted Saruman, but after reading the replys, i've changed my mind.

Saruman - The arguement was made that Saruman was the baddest because he was a Maiar and became a traitor. By that logic Melkor would be the baddest, as a former Vala. By TA 3000 he was being heavily influenced by Sauron vai the palantir, much the same way Denethor II was. He was simply powerhungry. And sure he was spiteful, but many would be after such a fall from glory.

Gollum - The guy you love to hate, but he really wasn't that bad, blame it on the ring.

Witch King - Its really hard to say how bad this guy was, i've not read about him as he was previous to becoming a slave to Sauron. With Sauron in complete control of him through the ring, he might have been a mere puppet, a long distance reflection of Sauron himself. Who knows if his true nature shown through any at all.

Sauron - I don't doubt there are passages in HOME expressing the full extent of his maliciousness, but in the big picture, he was just playing his cards trying to take over middle-earth. I don't see any great deeds of terror from him.

Melkor - The greatest of traitors. Cause of all evil and wrong in Arda. Leader of the rebellion including several Maiar. The light of the Two Trees would not have been ended by Ungoliant had it not been for him. His theft of the Silmarilli led to the loss of two of them. While Sauron may have been content with Middle-Earth, there can be little doubt that Melkor wanted it all. &quot;Bad Guy&quot;

P.S. None of these guys come even close to the grotesque evil horor that is Lord Foul. -Thomas Covenant Chronicals by Steven Donaldson.

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I have to say Sauron. I mean Morgoth was great but he didn't strike a deep fear and since of dread in me. That doesn't mean I would go up to him and **** on his boot and then laugh at him, just that he didn't scare me enough. Saruman scared me but not as much as Sauron. I mean he did some of his cruelest work in The Simarillion. Those of you that say that the reason you didn't vote for him was because he didn't think of one little thing. It is almost always the little things that get you in the end. As for some guy named Lord Foul being better than all of them. I have never really heard of him except for an obscure reference to him on some website but I doubt that he could take on and defeat most of the people on this poll. But I won't say why because I don't know the guy.

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Favorite villains from Lord of the Rings(has not read the books yet so i'll do movie version)
1: Witch King
2: Gothmog
3: Sauron
4: Lurtz
5: Durins bane

Favorite Villain from the Hobbit(has not read book but has watched animated movie and done game)
1: Smaug

Favorite Villains from Silmarillion(is in the middle of reading)
1: Glaurong
2: Ancalagon
3: Scatha
4: Morgoth
5: Gothmog, LotB(Lord of the Balrogs)

I cant really decide Who's my all-time favorite in LOTR, it's a really close tie with Witchy, Gothy(orc) and Smaugy

Morgoth is hardcore.

1st. Curunir (I mean, wheels and forges and weapons and fires and an unbreakable tower...)

2nd. Gollum (small, corrupt, agile, aged, I could go on for days listing his marvelous qualities) and Morgoth (he's awesome)

3rd. Glaurung. Able to make a strong-willed person lose her memory, and destroy a forest and hold men still with his eyes, and notice things he can't see, and on and on...

4th. A tie between Carcharoth (did I miss spell that?) and the Witch-King. One broke the Girdle of Melian and scorned a Silmaril-well, I guess it was unwise- and the other spread fear like nobody's business and was one of the pinnacles of sheer awesomeness.

5th. All dragons and Balrogs from M-E collectively.

Eol. No question.

Ditto. By far one of the most interesting characters of the Silmarillion.