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There was one who was obviously before him.

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Yavanna was the Vala of plant life and didn't seem to have anything to do with animals. Could she have been the first vegie?


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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Giver

Maybe, but we do not know for sure; it is never mentioned explicitly. I, however, know a clear reference to the person's vegetarian way, which is what I am asking for.

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Giver

It's in the Silmarillion...

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Beren, since he 'ate no flesh' when he was an outlaw.

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Giver

At last!
It was indeed Beren who got accustomed to beasts so much in his time in the wilderness that afterwards he no longer ate flesh or slew anything safe Morgoth's creatures.

Your turn, Voronwe!

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Giver

Here's an easy one for my first question on this board!

Who was Turgon's wife, and what happened to her?

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Elenwe was one of the many of Turgon's folf who was lost crossing the Helcaraxe after Feanor's cruel deed.

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Giver

Exactly. Ask away!

-Voronwë "Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien."</p>

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Giver

Who interred Beleg Strongbow and what did they (and what didn't they) bury with him?

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Beleg was buried by Gwindor and Turin (who was struck dumb at the time). They burried Belthronding his bow with him, but not Anglachel, his sword, because Gwindor thought it should be used in the war against Morgoth.

How's that?

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Just so. Ask us!

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Which memeber of the Grey Company forsaw his own death on the Pelennor Fields?


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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Pelennor Fields

Might you be referring to Halbarad, Aragorn's standard bearer and fellow Ranger?

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That is exactly the answer I was looking for. Ask away, red.


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We all know that Legolas is the son of Thranduil...but who is Thranduil the son of?

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Legolas's grandpop

Legolas's grandpop was Oropher. He met his end in the Last Alliance, I believe.


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Yes and Yes, Voronwe...your turn.

-red

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Annael surely

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Legolas's grandpop

I like Unfinished Tales questions, so here's another. By what event was it said that the shaddow first began to fall upon Numenor?


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Actual: Tar-Atanamir's manipulation upon Tar-Ciryatan to surrender the sceptre before his time.

Probable: Conditions of Aldarion's rule signify many shadows falling upon Numenor, Ancalime's enjoyment of her parents animosity towards each other and other malicious objectives could show the first shadow descending.

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Legolas's grandpop

Both great answers! The one I was looking for was the first one, although the second could make sense, too.

Your turn!


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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Legolas's grandpop

What is the name of Elanor's daughter?

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Legolas's grandpop

I don't know this one, but did you know that Elanor is also the name of a yellow flower in Lórien during the winter? Just a little tidbit since I didn't know the answer (I haven't read RotK yet...<img src=frown.gif ALT=":("> ).

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Legolas's grandpop

It's also used as a symbol for Luthien (why this is I have no idea, as her flower was Nipheredil!).

So the question is asked again:

What is the name of Elanor's daughter?

</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000133>Saulotus </A> at: 9/28/00 12:31:34 am

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Okay, we'll give this one two days and if no one knows it, then Saul can tell us the answer and ask another question. <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">

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Someone ask a question here or kill the thread please.

Everyone has folded here also.

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I'll ask. I've got my new Internet Explorer set up and I'm back and posting.
What was a mathom?

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An artifact? I dunno... <img src=ohwell.gif ALT=":/">

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: I'll ask

A mathom is an item hobbits don't want to throw away but don't neccesarily want to keep so they pass it on to the next hobbit when they celebrate their birthday.

It's kind of a pass-around nick-knack.

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Yes, sir, you are correct!

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: The mathom

According to the Red Book, what were the first and last villages the Gamgee clan (in all of the variances of their name) lived in? Name all the towns if you can.

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: The mathom

I know the first was Gamwich, because that is where they got their name. For the moment, I am clueless as to the last...much less the ones inbetween. <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">

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Jes definitely has the first one.... now just reason your way into the last one. Where was the last place a 'Gamgee' moved to?

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: The Gamgees

Hobbiton, or Bree?

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: The Gamgees

Elanor Gardner-Fairbairn moved to Undertowers. However this is not an official Gamgee, especially since she was wedded to Fastred, and Sam had already altered the sur-name to Gardner.

Prior to this the next possibility is Marigold Gamgee who married Tom Cotton and moved to Bywater, but again the marriage seems to discount this as she would be Marigold Cotton.

Halfred is the most logical choice (who moved to the Northfarthing).

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I was asking for 'Gamgee clan (in all of the variances of their name)' which included the Gamwiches to the Fairbairns... all part of a 'clan' that changed their name every generation seemingly.

Your answer was the more complete of the two, Saulotus, so go ahead and ask.

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Saul just left for awhile, so Ron, you can go ahead and post another, or let Gwaihir take this one. <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">

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I'm tapped out. Can't think of a good question. Gwaihir?

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I´ve just found in The Adventures of Tom Bombadil the answer to the previous question in this thread, made by saulotus:

What is the name of Elanor's daughter?

Firiel (which was also the name of a princess of Gondor, through whom Aragorn claimed descent from the Southern line).

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