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Re: Items In Middle Earth

Quenya was heavily influenced by Suomi (Finnish), and to a lesser degree by Latin and Greek (although Q. is less 'consonantical' than both).

In this tie situation we now have I let you decide who's to go on, but I don't really need to.

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Ok then Zoe, your turn.


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Okay, another (easy) language question: How many primary letters did the Tengwar system contain?

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Dangit...I really should know this off the top of my head. I want to say 36, but I'm not positive... It really upsets me that I'm not positive. If not 36, then 24, I believe... <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">

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Yes, 24. There are 36 altogether (not including vowels), but only 24 primary letters.

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Keeping with the trend:

Of what origin were the scripts and letters used in the Third Age, ultimately?

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The Tengwar of Feanor.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> J.R.R. Tolkien The Fellowship of the Ring
In the Third Age their use had spread over much the same area as that in which the Common Speech was known.<hr></blockquote>

The Alphabet of Daeron became popularly known as Angerthas Moria and was used almost exclusively by the Dwarves, as the Elves had forsaken it.

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That's not quite what I was looking for, Saul. Tengwar is indeed an old script, Tengwar of Rúmil being the oldest. However, Tengwar of Fëanor came along after Rúmil.

For the answer to my question, think more of a language than a script. The answer is found in the Appendices of LotR. <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">

Also think farther back...

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Ok; you asked for scripts and letters so I assumed that meant scripts and letters.

Language-wise would be Sindarin, as it was the only widely used Elvish language in the Third Age (as asked), as Quenya had fallen into an archaic elf-latin.

The Sindarin used in the Third Age was that developed from ancient Telerin (Lindarin) with some added Quenya (mostly synonymous with the term Noldorin) words (of which Quenya was enriched with some Valian words). No other Elvish tongues or scripts were used in the Third Age in Middle-earth (as specified in the question).

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> By Jes
'Of what origin were the scripts and letters used in the Third Age, ultimately?'<hr></blockquote>

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Alright, this might not have been a really clear question, and perhaps I do not know that much about it. I don't claim to know as much as anyone here. <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">

However, in Appendix E, II, the first sentence is this:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr> The scripts and letters used in the Third Age were all ultimately of Eldarin origin...<hr></blockquote>
I was just keeping with the trend and asking a language question, and when I saw that, I thought it might be a good one. I guess it was a little hazy...my bad. <img src=ohwell.gif ALT=":/">

Saulotus, this one is all yours. <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">

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Re: Items In Middle Earth

Alright; how many books comprised the Red Book of Westmarch in total and what was it kept in?

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As the section: Prologue; Note on the Shire Records shows; 5 volumes in a single red case.

I hereby retire from this thread.

Jes; if you would assign or ask a question here...

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Since Jes will be away for a while (sorry for your loss, Jes), I´ll ask.
What item did Galadriel give to Aragorn when the Fellowship was leaving Lothlorien? Who had made it?

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Galadriel gave Aragorn a decorated sheath for Anduril and the Elessar in a silver eagle brooch from Arwen. The Elessar's origin is not settled but that is in UT.

--Mithadan--
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were kindled clear, and waxing bright
shone like stars that in the North
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Correct!
You could have explained the origin of Elessar (you knew it was in UT):
The original Elessar was made by Enerdhil and was taken to Valinor by Earendil, from here there are two explanations:
- It was brought back to Middle-Earth by Gandalf
- Celebrimbor made a second Elessar for Galadriel

Ask us!

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What did Beren use to avoid becoming a pincushion for the arrows of the Elves of Nargothrond?

An easy one in celebration of my 300th post!

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were kindled clear, and waxing bright
shone like stars that in the North
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Re: Items In Middle Earth

He held up the Ring of Barahir and proclaimed himself all the way as an elffriend.

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Indeed. Your question.

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were kindled clear, and waxing bright
shone like stars that in the North
above the reek of earth leap forth." </p>

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Which item did the Fellowship carry which came from far Rhûn?

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Frodo's Mithril coat ?

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The horn of Boromir?

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Yes of course!
Its all yours, Grond.


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What items were found in Orthanc after the War of the Ring?

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This question should have been reserved for the UT thread, strictly speaking.

Jewls and heirlooms of Eorl, as well as treasures found in mounds far and wide. A golden casket on a necklace, no doubt inteded for the Ring; but most precious of all was the gliimering Elendilmir of Isildur, lost when he was slain by Orcs.

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First of all, you're right: I should have keep this question in the UT thread. Sorry.

But your answer is incomplete. Keep trying.

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A steel closet, perhaps intended to recieve the Ring; yet it was almost bare. in a casket on a high shelf were laid the golded locket and the Elendilmir.

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Correct.

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What became of the Ring of Barahir?

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As far as can recall, it was worn by Aragorn handed down as an heirloom.

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Indeed, an heirloom of the North-Kingdom it became. Ask us, Durelin!

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For about how long was Cirdan keeper of the elven ring Narya?

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I believe he kept it for 1000 years, since Gil-Galad gave it before the Last Alliance and the end of Second Age, until he gave it to Gandalf when he arrived Middle Earth in 1000 Third Age (more or less).

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More or Less, that is what I was looking for. Go ahead.

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What item appears in The Hobbit, The Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers and The Return of the King?

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Is it Bilbo's/Frodo's sword Sting?

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Congrats amyrlis! 3 minutes in answering a question must be a record!
Your answer wasn't the one I was looking for (Glamdring, Gandalf's sword), but since my question wasn't made properly, it's your turn.

Welcome to the forum!

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Thank you Grond! I was thinking about Glamdring as well, but was more sure about Sting. You'll have to forgive me for answering though, because I'm at work and have no Tolkien references with me. I answered on reflex, forgetting that I'd then have ask. <img src=rolleyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"> I don't feel I can come up with a worthy question, but I hate to hold things up for the rest. Would someone mind filling in for me? I'll jump back in when I'm better armed (probably tomorrow)! Sorry! <img src=frown.gif ALT=":(">

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Wait! <img src=eek.gif ALT=":eek"> I just though of one! I hope it's okay - working off of sheer memory here. Here goes-

Of the sons of Feanor, which one could still be alive?

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Umm, Maglor doesn't die, at least not in Silm.

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Yes, that's what I was looking for. He is last known to have cast the Silmaril into the sea and wander the shores of Middle Earth, never coming among elvin folk again. (Sorry for taking so long to get back, I just got into work this a.m.) Your turn!

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