It would be better if you all voters would be around... It's no use us ghosts talking without you guys who make the decisions.

I've been going over and over it in my head, and I just don't know. At first I was astonished that Shasta got it, but now I can see reasons why either of them might have killed him rather than me: a Gwathwolf could be using my suspicion of Izzy; an Isawolfkya could have been afraid that killing me would point straight to her.

However– a Gwathwolf shouldn't have had too much trouble getting someone other than himself lynched anyway.

An innocent who wasn't Izzy. Attacking anyone who looks at her sideways is actually one of her trademarks.:rolleyes:

Really, though, if it were anyone else but Izzy in the dock I wouldn't be hesitating... but this is a player with a history of acting in a horribly suspicious way as an innocent.

I think– note that I'm only meaning this in the context of WW! – she has a genuine problem with understanding how she appears to others.

CF: her comments toDay:

EDIT:X'd since Brinniel at 1276

It is conceivable that Greenie is lying about being the seer as either Wilwa, who was modfired, or Mira, who's out of touch, could be the real seer and we would never know. If Greenie is just a cobbler, then it opens up the possibility (however slim) that Nerwen may be a mutineer - which would support the odd fact that she has never been night-killed, despite being the closest thing we have to a live known innocent. Slim chance, though. More than likely, I reckon it'll come down to me and Izzy.

It's difficult for me to imagine a real seer, modfired or just killed, who could not find some way to pop in just once and let everyone know to watch out for Greenie.
You're right: it is possible. It seems unlikely to me, however.

Another thought: Mira's computer apparently died suddenly, but Wilwa had time to ask Brinn herself to be modfired. Surely she would have taken a moment to enlighten us if she were a gifted?

Maybe Izzy was trying to play cobbler yesterDay? Since at this point in the game we can't afford to lynch cobblers, it would be a good tactic for anyone to use and it would explain the obstinate craziness, anyway. Personally, however, I'm pretty sure both cobblers have been killed by now and are just talking a lot, trying to throw us off.

Well - maybe, but it's also possible that Brinn would have thought that that would unbalance the game. I mean, would she have revealed Wilwa's role if she was a mutineer? Let's not get distracted, though.

More weirdness.

Huh? How could Gwath and I be mates now? It's not just a matter of "not thinking it's the case"– it's impossible!

Note that my switch here was actually precipitated by Rikae's Hunter-reveal.

Possible slip ( showing she knows he's not a wolf)?

EDIT: X'd since my last post.

Haha. "Even" Gwath? :p

Another interesting formulation... :smokin:

Gwath.
I think he was talking about Wilwa coming and revealing that she was the seer - if she were. Since she had time to ask Brinn to mod-fire her.


-eyerolling at Nerwen-

You can't just take sentences out of context, and attempt to twist them to another meaning, and expect to get away with it Nerwen. You've been doing it -I've only noticed it in regards to myself- for sometime. I've called you on it numerous times.

You skipped over the part where I said I don't think it is the case of you and Gwath being MutieMates.

In the second portion, you are taking it out of context. Really Nerwen.
That was explaining why I think I'm still alive. Because I'm an easy lynch choice.

If you are going to try and say I'm a Mutie because of "weirdness", then you should've done it Days ago. Since it is in no way a new thing. Or "new information".


X'd with Gwath and Nog.

No, the point is, you can't logically consider it at all– it's now numerically impossible for there to be more than one wolf!

I'm not twisting your words. If you say weird and/or suspicious things, people will comment on it. Them's the breaks....

EDIT: spelling.

^
That is neither weird or suspicious. People question why they or someone else is alive all of the time. It is nothing new. For you to single it out and bring it out of the context, to call it a slip - is twisting it.

I may as well also point out that Nerwen's vote will end up being the decisive one, since neither Izzy nor myself can very well vote for Nerwen in good conscience, given Greenie's seer reveal. So I'll end up voting for Izzy and Izzy will likely vote for me and then Nerwen will choose who dies.
:p

Putting my few cents in...

Looking at the overall situation you need to decide which scenario is the more believable: the one where we lynched a host (well at least two) mutineers on the first 4 Days or so and got them into a tight spot - or the one where we made two to three succesful lynches on the last three Days just narrowly avoiding defeat before it.

If the first is the right one, then it looks like Gwath is the mutineer, if the second, then it should be Izzy (also following from her own reasoning with Lommy's, Mac's and Eönwë's voting)...

But why did you say "even Gwath?" Whether it is or not, that really does look like a slip.

Uh, explain?

I'm inclined to believe the latter scenario.

I've already voted for Nerwen before Gwath.

If it comes down to Nerwen's vote. Then I'm sure we all can take a good guess at what it will be... and the village will lose.


X'd with Gwath x2 & Zil.

Nope. Drawing attention to possible slips is just part of this game.

Izzy, I'm frankly getting a little tired of your apparent belief that you deserve some kind of special treatment not given to anyone else.

No doubt you will now say I'm "twisting" and "putting words in your mouth" again. Well, guess what? I'm tired of your endless "twisting" accusations too.

EDIT:X'd since Izzy at #1293. EDIT 2:word left out.

Agreed and being corrected of what you meant.

I too think it will come down to Nerwen to decide this. Unless that row between Nerwen and Izzy comes down to some crazy conclusions... :)

You saying that Gwath makes me think better of you - if that is of any comfort in this tight spot you guys are. I mean if Izzy were an innocent she would let go at least now as there are only forty minutes to go...

Sounds like wolf-talk to my ears...

You'd been gone for how many Days? Yet you come back and at first think it is innocent vs. innocent between Nerwen and I. Then I believe you jumped on the Izzy-is-a-Cobbler Wagon.


X'd with Nerwen and Nog.

Cool down Izzy... :)

Which post is this a response to? Inzy's?

I thought she was referring to Nogrod.

She means you, I think.

Since when do I believe I deserve special treatment?

I could've sworn I was the only one in my head.
But then again. This is WW. So apparently when you play WW, people from different parts of the world are capable of developing psychic powers and actually being inside my head while I think.

If that is true. Then I think I should be paid some kind of fee, for hosting others inside my head.


Let go of what Nog?

Why shouldn't I expect Nerwen to vote for me?
She has been calling me a Cobbler and/or a Mutineer for Days. Yet has only voted for me once, I believe. If she thinks that way, then why isn't her vote talking?


X'd since my last post.

It's hard to tell with all the posting.

I thought it was referring to Gwath and his three-Day off...

Please people, when you refer to something make it clear what you are referring to. Some people may post while you write and then it might be hard to see what your post relates with.

Hmph... best of talkers with three posts in between... :rolleyes:

My #1302 was in response to Gwath's #1296.


X'd since my last post.

Well, Izzy? Who were youreplying to? Not trying to be dense, just trying to figure out who you were talking to.

Oh, crossed with Izzy, sorry. Thanks.

On the contrary. I have been trying to make allowances for you!

Oh, well in that case I wish I could show the piece of paper I scribbled the idea down on when I thought of it, right before I fell asleep to show you that I really did come up with it on my own. You'll just have to take my word for it that I wasn't getting on any kind of bandwagon.

Well, I didn't exactly say "let go" but "cool down"... but anyway. The same message.

Whatever you feel there is no sense in you wasting your energy and time picking it up with Nerwen. Unless we have the most terrible seer we've ever had leaving her/his village in trouble, Nerwen is not the one you should lynch.

Just think about that.

So try to use your last half an hour either showing why Nerwen should believe Gwath should be lynched - or why you shouldn't. If you're an innocent you know very well what I mean: your goal as an innocent is not to fight with Nerwen but to secure the village win.

That row makes no sense at this point. It looks more like a distraction - or evil.

To clarify, I mean the idea that you were playing cobbler yesterDay.

It wouldn't make sense for an evil player, either, which is the weird thing.

No, well, actually it might make sense if Izzy was a mutineer trying to look like a cobbler trying to get lynched, which would theoretically avert Nerwen's suspicion to me.

15 minutes to go... no votes yet... suspense! :)

Agreed. Izzy, you seem to have spent an inordinate amount of time claiming you are innocent and calling people out for questioning you, but I haven't seen much as to why it should be clear you are innocent.
If you are, I think now would be the time to bring all to the forefront.

I could believe Lommy and Mac staged that fight. In a game where nothing is revealed they could afford it - and Lommy was going to a long trip with no net connection so she would get herself lynched with that kind of behaviour if it helped their cause (well it didn't in the end but the scenario is still possible). Now if Eönwë was a mutineer as well (or Sally in place of any of the three) that would make sense why they voted for Gwath as he's an innocent then.

Whatever, I'm bending towards believing we made it really poorly in the beginning and picked our act together in the last few Days.

The way Gwath and Izzy post right now would point into that direction.

I mean this looks actually quite innocent Gwath: And this doesn't look like an innocent trying to solve the problem half an hour before the final deadline:

No sense in waiting, since it would take a seer reveal to change my mind about Nerwen.

++Izzy