You bet it is.

I'll fight you for it, Rikae. :p

Triple post, page four, and I'd like to add:
that BG-wagon yesterDay was terrible and an example of Day one stupidity at its worst. I know, I didn't vote, it's easy for me to say - but for crying out loud, voting for someone because of such an obvious bit of sloppiness? Does anyone here actually think a wolf would do that, unless an experienced and tricksy enough wolf to do it as a "no wolf would be so careless" bluff? I'm going to have to look more closely at that wagon - though I understand innocents can sometimes commit such egregious
DAY ONE FAILS too. Don't worry, folks, if you're innocent, you have nothing to fear. :p

EDIT: Oh man, no triple post.

Love ya hon. :D

And regarding the BG vote - Rikae, if you'd followed the last game you'd realize that thinking BG was a wolf from the way she was acting... not so much a stretch. :rolleyes:

It doesn't even need to be compared to her last game. It was the fact that she had voted for someone a few posts after saying she thought them innocent.

Wolf Pack:
Wilwa
Shasta/Noia

Probable Innocents:
Lottie (without the probable, of course)
Zil
Izzy

Not A Clue (But Gonna Say...Innocent???:
Keepandir of Dol Mira
WWinty
Pitchie
Rikae

~~~

I'm off to look at The Three I Don't Feel Very Happiful About Right Now.

Alright, obviously, Sally was not in fact killed by the Metamorphs.

And Eomer appears to have been one of the secret roles? I don't know what his role was supposed to do, but given that we have an Assassin that hunts the Metamorphs with a special gun, and Eomer had a special gun in the narration, maybe he was the counterpart to whatever killed Sally?

Speaking of, it's looking like we may, in fact, have a werebear. Which immediately makes me suspect Rikae, obviously. :p

Am I the only one who still doesn't quite see what Eomer was? A Bounty Hunter? I don't recall that role in the 'open' list. Was he one of the secret ones? Ah well. I've been awake for going on 18 hours now, so maybe that's something to do with it.


As Shasta said, BG was acting very much like her lupine self from the previous game. All the same indicators were there. And to me, her reactions after being called on her posting error regarding Lottie's copied list made her look worse.

I don't think it was at all unreasonable to vote BG. Actually, Wilwa's vote for Sally seems to make her look a bit worse toDay. Keeping away from the BG wagon when Wilwa knew she was already done for would have been a very smart move for a Wilwamorph.

x/d with Shasta

I noticed the "I think it's interesting" line. The whole post sounds hesitant and a bit too careful, as though she's not sure how she's supposed to respond.

This post doesn't really say much except talk about the new rules. While not evil in itself, it really doesn't say much or give us any handle on her.

Doesn't say much.

Talks about DL.

Mentions that Sally looked weird, but not suspicious. Mentions that BeiGe's vote was weird but not suspicious, and that she can see where BeiGe was coming from.

I still don't understand that. In my opinion, this looks a lot like a wolf holding herself out of the incriminating bandwaggoning-against-someone-she-knew-to-be-innocent.

She actually said she didn't suspect Sally above. By this point it was pretty clear that BeiGe was going to die, so this was a pretty risk-free bit of wolf-on-wolf (if it was wolf-on-wolf).

EDIT: xed with Zil

Yeah. What he said. :p

1. Last game* you were a wolf; I don't know why you're reminding me of it...

2. Warns me off my Wilwa suspicion, which if she is a wolf, doesn't look too good for him.

3. Is suspicious of Sally.

No you're not the Telepath. He also doesn't suspect Eomer, and already suspects BeiGe.

Votes BeiGe in almost a "OMGUS" move, only it wasn't himself she voted.

Responding to BeiGe.

Banter with Izzy and Modwen.

Banter with Izzy.

Responding to BeiGe.

Trying to figure out what the hey happened with the Night kills.

Asks a question we all know isn't going to be answered. ;)

Banter with Rikae.

Defends the BeiGe bandwaggon.

Trys to work out the roles.

~~~

All in all, I'm on the fence. If Wilwa turns out to be a wolf, I'd say we should take a good look at him...but also, he says he was suspicious of Sally and never mentions it again, almost as though he was just suspecting her because he was supposed to. But...meh...I don't know...:rolleyes:

Off to look at Noia...

EDIT: *Last game we played together, that is...

I'm actually going to chime in on this one (I'm agreeing with Lottie? What?):

Wilwa was also the first to point out that we wouldn't have to deal with false reveals (IIRC). She mentioned that it was "fantastic". Now, I've accused Lottie of this multiple times - reads on someone shouldn't depend on one word (and I happen to know that Vanessa's a very ebullient personality <3) but taken together the first thing I thought upon rereading was "she seemed awfully eager to point that out - wolf looking for citizen points?"

Your Wilwa suspicion was full of holes at the time and you were twisting things to fit your theories, which was reminiscent of earlybad!Lottie from last game. I reacted accordingly. Nerr to you. :p And besides, I seem to have accomplished what I hoped to - you aren't doing it anymore.

It's not "OMGUS" by definition, since BG didn't vote me, so... I don't see your point here.

The question was rhetorical, and don't try to say we weren't all thinking it. I just gave it voice. ;)

Asks that Eomer not attack BeiGe baselessly. See his point, even if I can also see where Eomer was coming from.

Suspects Sally pretty strongly, which makes him look a bit better. And he makes good points on her, as well as on BeiGe. She turned out innocent, but still, at least one other innocent thought her guilty. So this post leaves me confused.

I don't really know what to think after looking at him more closely. Not really suspicious, not really innocent looking...he makes good points, too...what's a girl to think?

So... Eomer was a secret role.? Defender and Assassin found each other. Sally was killed by.. the other secret role?

I'm not surprised Sally was a baddie; not sure why.

I'm a bit too lazy to check timestamps, but where these posts in regards to Sally/Wilwa made before Sally was revealed as a metamorph? I wouldn't really see a reason for Wilwamorph to be voting for one of her mates, unless it was a preemptive bussing/distancing. However.. who could've predicted Sally would've been eliminated last Night? Obviously, other than whomever killed her.

X'd with Loslote.

That's it, he's a wolf! Lynch him! ;)

1. I wasn't really at the time, you know. I'm pretty sure I only made one post about it. ;) Still, I can see where you're coming from...

2. I meant in the retaliatory sense - you voted for her because you didn't like her vote. That's really the essence of OMGUS, isn't it?

3. I know. I was mostly joking. ;)

Does the Defender know who the Assassin is now? The Assassin'd know, yeah, but was the Defender told?

Vanilwufforph voted Day 1; Sallorph died Night 2. Vanilwufforph wouldn't have known. (I wonder how many stuff we can stick onto Wilwa's name? :p)

I didn't like the reasons (or lack thereof) for her vote. Not quite the same thing. :p And as I recall, that vote was for you! Some thanks. :p

Alright, I think I'm hitting the hay. Good night.

Alright, alright, not quite OMGUS vote. I got it. :p

Good Night, O Morphlike One! :Merisu:;)

Nope. That's why the Assassin was masked in the narration.

And no, I'm not going to reveal what killed Sally– yet.

Not sure, but I would imagine so. If the Telepath dreamed of a fellow agent, then they could PM them. Perhaps something similar occurs to the Assassin and Defender. *shrug*

X'd w/ Nerwen. haha.

Something similar does indeed occur, but it's a two-step process.

What? The Defender has to defend the Assassin to know or something? My, my, Modwen, your game is starting to be as silly and confusing as one of Sally's! Almost, anyway. Not quite, but then, it'd be hard to rival Sally's games. :p

:D

wintywinty's Arrival
 

Hello Everybody, I profusely apologize for missing the first day, I simply forgot; and I won't miss anymore.

Excellent; other people exist! (Aka, the Refresh The Page Until Someone Posts Game gets boring. :rolleyes:) Have you had a chance to read through the thread? What are your impressions?

Roles

Evil

Metamorphs (2)
These shapeshifters, native to Wolf-562-e, have infiltrated the crew of the Lothlórien in the opening move of a plot to betray the Terran League to its relentless enemy, the Radiant Empire.

Metamorphs can perfectly impersonate humans (and many other species), but revert to their true forms when killed.

The Metamorphs will secretly murder one crewmember during each Night phase. Once the number of Metamorphs is equal to the number of humans, they will attack them openly and seize control of the ship.

The Traitor
The traitor is a human spy for the Radiant Empire, and knows all about the plot– except for one little detail: which of his shipmates were murdered. Thus, he is as much in the dark about the identity of the Metamorphs as the rest of the crew. The Traitor uses a mental screening device, which protects him from the Telepath.

The Traitor also has one extra option: During the Night phase he may, if he chooses, reveal his role to any other player via pm and ask if that player is a Metamorph. If innocent, the other player may not reveal the interaction, but may of course try to get the Traitor lynched. If the other player is a Metamorph, the Traitor and Metamorphs will be able to pm for the rest of the game. The Traitor can use this option three times.


Good

Terran Intelligence Agents
Due to an administrative screw-up, these three were given no direct way to identify each other.

The Defender
Trained in martial arts, the Defender chooses a crewmember to protect each Night. May not protect the same person twice in a row. May not self-protect.

The Assassin
Armed with a gun that shoots darts lethal to the Metamorph nervous system, the assassin may pick one target every Night. Human victims will be unharmed. The Assassin need not die to make a kill.

However, the Assassin carries the dart-gun only when hunting Metamorphs. If lynched, the Assassin will throw a knife at the target, who will be killed regardless of role.

The Rest of the Crew.
Must try to catch the Metamorphs before it's too late.

Other (1),

There are two secret roles, which are secret.


The Crew

Living
Commander Inziladun –First Officer.
Lieutenant Paranoia –Second Officer.
Ensign Pitchwife –Communications Officer/Interpreter.
Master Chief Petty Officer Loslote –Chief Engineer.
Chief Petty Officer Keeper of Dol Guldur –Quartermaster.
Isabellkya –Sensor Technician, First Class.
Wilwa –Android Technician, Second Class.
Shasta –Engineering Technician.
wintywinty –Weapons Maintenance Technician.
Rikae –"Cabin Boy" (a thirteen-year-old stowaway).

Dead
Doctor Morsul –Medical Officer and Captain McNerwen. –shot by Traitor on Night One.
Ensign Blind Guardian– Tactical Officer. –Died in convulsions (Telepath).
Eomer –Security Officer. –Thrown out the airlock (Bounty Hunter).
Lieutenant Sally –Navigator. –Torn to pieces (Metamorph).

Above is a list of remaining roles and still Alive people. Just to Note, there is only person that is simply a "member of the crew" with no special role.

Just for clarification, the Bounty Hunter is one of the two Secret Roles correct?

Clarification? I think that's what we all want - but alas, our dear Modwen has signed up for the Crazy Rules Race. I don't think any of us have a clue what's going on. :p

But yeah, I think that's what the general concensus agreed on.

Eh? There are four ordos living, winty. Count again.

Yes.

So do the Terrain Intelligence Agents have nothing special to do then?

"The Terran Intelligence Agents" is another name for the Assassin, Defender, and Telepath, methinks. :)

The "crazy rule", as you call it, happens to be a little consolation prize for the good side, which I had always meant to bring in if they lost their Telepath before anyone had got in touch (yes, I had qualms making the inexperienced BG the Seer). It's not meant to duplicate the original way of making contact.

X'd since last post.

Exactly. You've counted the good guys twice, winty.

Ohhh. Gotcha. How nice of you! :D

Eomer was the first one to suspect Sally of being a Metamorph (Rikae's mention on the first page was nonsense), and then he was killed. If his killing was by the Metamorphs, then it suggests that he was on to something, and perhaps one or both of the other Metamorphs were on his list as suspicious. The other three listed as suspicious were Zil, Paranoia, and Pitchwife.

Later on, Pitchwife's list of suspicion included both Zil and Sally as two of the "trusted", and Paranoia was on his undecided list.

Later on, Eomer votes Paranoia, perhaps another Metamorph, and is killed.

Right now, until further posts can be examined (tommorow),
My top three suspects are Pitchwife, Paranoia and Zil, with Pitchwife and Paranoia at the top.

X'd with the past three posts

Ok, Thanks.

Huh. That's a good point. I wouldn't think all of them are, in fact, morphs - that would be too good to be true, and no wolf pack would kill off someone with that clear a trail - but it's definitely worth looking into. If anything, we know that he wasn't trying to lead us astray.

As it happens, I rather trust Zil, and am entirely unsure about Noia. Pitchie, though. I agree that he's someone to look closer at. But...it's tomorrow already (past midnight) and I am sleepy. I'll stay up for a bit longer, but I'm not up for any long analysis...so that'll have to wait for later.

So Eomer had a secret role? That sort of fits... Somehow he felt rather non-ordoish to me yesterDay; I even wondered whether his early unrelenting demand to have BG 'strung up' could be an exceptionally blatant Seer-hint and was worried whether I was putting too much pressure on him to explain himself.

But since Eomer's role is now revealed as 'Bounty Hunter', maybe he got a Hunter kill and took sally with him? That's the only other other explanation for her death I can think of, apart from her being killed by the other secret role. Doesn't fit the narration, however, where it seems she was killed by an unidentified figure after Eomer's own death... so probably not.

(Speaking of sally: yeah, I was wrong about her. That happens.)

About that Seer-wagon: having read the last game, I see how her behaviour could have been seen as repeating her wolvish preincarnation, and honestly I'm not sure how I would have reacted to it myself if I'd been around to vote, but I find it noteworthy how everybody (that is, Izzy, Shasta, Noia and Zil) jumped on her blunder like wolves on a tasty bit of lynch-meat, without even considering the possibility that she'd just made a noobish mistake.

Looking at it chronologically (leaving out the bits about vote formatting and patterns; numbers of vote posts bolded):
#69 BG's list, with Lottie as 'relatively innocent'
#72 BG votes Lottie for 'pushing people to vote' (which was a very poor reason indeed)
#73 Lottie points out that BG's 'voting for an innocent'
#74 Izzy votes BG for incongruency between list and vote
#76 BG doesn't get what she's done wrong
#77 Zil: BG's reasoning 'beyond poor'
#78 Shasta explains why BG's reasoning is bad and votes her
#80 Lottie replies to Izzy's #74 that she'd 'forgotten' the incongruency (so I take it that her earlier 'voting an innocent' was not referring to BG's list?)
#81 BG realizes her mistake
#82 Izzy rubs BG's nose in her blunder.
#83 Shasta likewise.
#86 Shasta asks whether BG's #81 was a confession.
#88 Lottie echoes Shasta.
#90 BG tries to explain her error
#92 Izzy doesn't get how BG could have done that by mistake
#93 Shasta echoes Izzy
#94 Lottie likewise
#95 BG further tries to explain herself
#97 Lottie doesn't get BG's explanation
#98 Shasta points out why BG's explanation doesn't fit
#99 Noia votes BG for her Lottie vote and suspecting Eomer after laughing him off as crazy earlier.
#100 wilwa explains how she thinks BG's mistake could have happened
#102 BG doesn't get why nobody gets her explanation
#103 Lottie thinks wilwa's explanation doesn't make sense
#104 Zil votes BG (no reason given, but see his #77)
#105 Noia concurs with Lottie about wilwa's explanation
#106 Lottie replies to BG's #102, still doesn't get it
#107 Shasta explains why he's not satisfied with BG's explanation
#108 wilwa gets what BG's saying, votes sally (2), didn't count.

Reasons given for voting BG:
Izzy - mismatch between list and vote (#74), and that's it; her following posts just repeat the point.
Shasta - BG's reason for Lottie vote (#78) plus the mismatch (#83 and following).
Noia - BG's reason for Lottie vote, her flip-flopping about Eomer plus the mismatch (#99).
Zil - no reason given in vote post, but disapproved of BG's reason for Lottie vote earlier (#77).

Judging from the reasoning, Noia looks best, making the most points against BG, followed by Shasta, whereas Izzy merely jumped on BG's list/vote blunder, and Zil didn't fully explain himself at the time.

Judging from the chronology, it looks like Shasta and Noia picked up Izzy's vote and turned it into a full-fledged wagon, with Zil nailing the coffin (ejection pod, whatever) shut. But note that Shasta's vote x-ed with Izzy's, so he wasn't actually wagoning and looks better than Noia and Zil in that respect.

Sorry if that was a bit repetitive, but I had to get it straight for myself. Need to mull it over now and see how my impressions of everybody apart from their voting resonate with it.

EDIT: corrected typo.

Votes other than for BG:

#50 sally votes herself (not highlighted, didn't count). (For the record, winty, that post came right after my list in which I had her as trusted, and her only earlier post was typical sally early IC banter, so I had no reason to distrust her at the time.) With hindsight, obviously a morphish camouflage manœuver.

#53 Eomer votes Noia(not highlighted, didn't count):
OK, Noia apparently was busy in RL, but I agree about the 'bit easy' (see my #49 list).

#67 Lottie votes me for 'feeling off' = being Mr Agreeable. (How come I 'feel off' for that when I'm suspected for it in every other game?) Her preceding list had me under 'squeamish' and wilwa under 'most suspicious', but her attitude here looks confident and ready to defend her vote (which I'd like to see her do!), therefore rather innocentish.

#72 BG votes Lottie (see above).

#108 wilwa votes sally (2; after DL, didn't count), having earlier said that
Four people hadn't voted yet, but given the timing, I have to agree that it does look like a safe morph-on-morph.

Ok. YesterDay was so frustrating for me. I completely understood what BG was trying to say, I think she honestly put Lottie's name there by accident (the exclamation mark makes it so obvious, Lottie had put that there, why would BG? it was a copy-paste mistake). So I showed up, exhausted after 9 hours of work, and honestly didn't have too much to go on (it was a pretty slow day). BG did originally look suspicious until she explained her mistake then there was no way I was going to vote for her.

I didn't really have too many other options. No Sally wasn't really that suspicious, but she was moreso then anyone else from what I could see. If I had voted BG I would like a bandwagonner taking the safe way out. But I didn't, and now I look bad for happening to vote a wolf (uhm, hello? I voted the wolf, not the Seer). My goodness, no matter who I vote Day 1 I always look bad, I swear it's a conspiracy.

*breathes*

I just needed to vent all that. Now I have to go to Church. I'll be back later and have lots of time to participate.