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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: So close, yet light years away

Forget Jes, he's never around any more. We'll have to decide whether I'm right ourselves, I think. But referencing my answer from the Lost Tales 1, Morwinyon, I think.

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: So close, yet light years away

I'll give it to ya, but I was actually looking for Helluin, the star corresponding with our Sirius.

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: So close, yet light years away

As you can tell, Gwaihir isn't a good astronomy student. <img src=wink.gif ALT=";)">

I'll ask next: What percentage of the Great Battles of Beleriand were won by the Eldar? This one may take some thinking over.

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: So close, yet light years away

60% (without counting the War of Wrath)?


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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: So close, yet light years away

Gwaihir?



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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: So close, yet light years away

Why did you leave out the War of Wrath? I'm afraid you'll have to include that in your reckoning before you can go on. <img src=wink.gif ALT=";)">

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: So close, yet light years away

Assuming the War of Wrath was won by the Eldar (and not just by the Valar), I would make it 66.7%. That said, I'm still not decided as to whether the first battle was a victory or not.


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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: So close, yet light years away

As the armies of Morgoth were totally aniahlated in the first Battle, I'd count it as a victory. 66.7% is fair enough; although the actual answer is something like 66.6 recurring. Ask us!

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/sting.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: So close, yet light years away

Who slew Radbug?


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Shagrat?

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Correct! Ask away.


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What is 'aséa aranion'?

<h6> What still of desease in me found sleep / I tore it out with my firm hand / And threw it, laughing, steep and deep / Down into the snow-covered land </h6></p>

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Athelas

asëa aranion is another name for Athelas/Kingsfoil that Aragorn uses in the Houses of Healing when talking to the herb lore-master.

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Re: Athelas

yep, Quenya for it.
Ask!

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Titles

Hmm. I am quickly running out of questions...I was going to ask about the Gates of Gondolin, but that has been already <img src=rolleyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"> Ok...this may be a bit tricky, but: Who bore the title of Singollo? e.g. Aragorn bears the title of Elessar, and Ar-Pharazon bears the title of the Golden (as does Glaurung) And what does it mean?

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Elwe Songollo, aka Thingol - Grey Mantle

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Yup

Correct! I was looking for grey-cloak, but mantle is fine. Ask, HI!

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Ok,than tell me what is Ekkaia

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Re: Yup

It is the Elvish name for something, I am not sure if it is the encircling sea, I think it is, but I am not sure if it the outer sea?. I am going to say the encircling sea.

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All right, both answers are sufficient :) go ahead

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Re: Yup

Ok, I think I remember this one. In the Lost Tales, who was slain instead of Finwe?

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Re: Yup

It was Bruithwir. He was Feanor's father in Lost Tales.


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Re: Yup

Ah, correct! Nothing like a question that most people would dismiss as old inimportant and archaic everyonce in a while.

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Re: Yup

I'd never want to see Lost Tales dismissed as unimportant. True, it may not be everyone's cup of tea, but it formed the basis for much of Tolkien's later Middle Earth writings.

As I'm in the mood, I think I'll ask another Lost Tales question.

In the Fall of Gondolin, what were the words that Tuor shouted from the top of the Tower of Turgon?


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Re: Yup

Anyone feel up to answering this one?


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Re: Yup

Kinda hard for me to remember everything from one reading of it, sorry. But maybe someone will.

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Re: Yup

You can look it up. I don't mind - honest.


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Re: Yup

No, you don't understand, I don't have the book, I took it out from the library like 5 years ago. I don't remember because of the time span and that I was fairly new to Tolkien and I think it is hard reading for anyone who hasn't read Silm. first.

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Re: Yup

I would think someone would reply to this. If not soon I might have to look around to see if I can.

"It seems fate is not without a sense of irony."</p>

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Re: Yup

Anyone want to have a crack at this one? Otherwise I'll post a new question.

As a reminder:

In the Fall of Gondolin, what were the words that Tuor shouted from the top of the Tower of Turgon?


-Voronwë
<font size="2">"For Aldarion had become enamoured of the Great Sea, and of a ship riding there alone without sight of land, borne by the winds with foam at its throat to coasts and havens unguessed; and that love and desire never left him until his life's end."</p>

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I can remember only one person 'shouting' from the top of the above named Tower :rolleyes: , and that was Turgon himself shouting something like Great is the fall of Gondolin first and than Great is the victory of the Noldoli!. But I can't remember Tuor shouting anything :(

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Re: Yup

My mistake. It was Turgon who shouted those words from the tower, not Tuor. Oops <img src=ohwell.gif ALT=":\">

You were quite correct, H-I. Your turn!


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Anar Kaluva tielyanna

What does it mean in common speech?

...without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless...

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Re: Yup

something like &quot;the sun will shine upon your path&quot;?

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The sun shall shine upon your path. So, almost precise and therefore correct - carry on :) and welcome back

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Re: Yup

Pleasure to make your acquaintance, MI.

&quot;Sí man i yulma nin enquantuva?&quot;

What does it mean in common?



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Who now shall refill the cup for me?

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Re: Yup

Dead on; proceed.

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Name the token which defined Tuor's decision of taking up arms he found in Nevrast

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Re: Yup

The swan-wing on the shield?


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