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Anyway, to business.... Pitch-->Paranoia Wilwa-->Paranoia (2) More people should vote so's I have more to do. *nods sagely* |
Oh dear Pitch. You are quite funny.
Apparently, I am failing to see what you saw Wilwa. I know that BG copied Loslote's list; and rearranged the order. Hence why the exclamation point would be there.. she copied it. Yet in Loslote's list, she had herself under 'most innocent'. BG moved her(Loslote) to 'relatively innocent'. When I asked her about it - she said that she merely moved Loslote's name down, and retyped 'relatively uninnocentish' - which isn't even a category on either list. After of course saying she had copied/pasted Loslote's name under there. She also claimed that she didn't want to copy it in the first place. So honestly, her explanation of her actions.. made her look scummier - rather than clarify the 'mistake'. I am not talking about fabrication in regards to BG copy/pasting Loslote's list. I am talking about fabrication in the fact the she listed Loslote under 'relatively innocent' then voted for her a handful of posts later. I don't like how Wilwa is more than once, pushing how she voted for Sally. I really do not like how Wilwa seems to be trying to put her vote somewhere where it will be effective. As in, she is looking for someone to lynch. Quote:
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I'm getting an uneasy feeling about Izzy, and also seeing what appears
to be a link between her and... someone else. But we shall see. I do have a history of pretty much always suspecting her, so I'll have to do my best to be objective here: Day One #52 Banter, and this (I guess in response to Eomer's talk of wolves not drawing attention to themselves on Day 1?) Quote:
Obviously absolute statements are going to occasionally prove false in WW, but as a general rule, Day one lynches are often confused innocents who blunder out of carelessness while the wolves sit back and enjoy the show. Wolves love those kinds of Day Ones. Then again, I've argued with people who have written off Day 1's as useless, too, since that kind of apathy is unproductive. Still, that doesn't seem to be what Izzy's doing here. It seems more like a sly spreading around of potential guilt than a call to action. I always tend to "hear" a bit of a smirk behind Izzy's posts, which I tend to read as "evil", though. I could be wrong. #58 Tries to get Sally to elaborate on her suspicions. Could really be innocent or co-morphish equally easily, I think. #59 Asking about deadline. #74 Votes for BG for voting someone BG previously called "relatively innocent". I find this vote way too... itchy-trigger-finger-ish. It seems as though having an excuse to vote is more important to Izzy than finding the truth at this point. Izzy could have asked about it - after all, as she herself points out toDay, people can think in their heads - I would assume she would include BG among the "people" who might do so, instead of jumping on her immediately like this. Also noticed that Izzy doesn't yet bring up the "fabricated list" issue that she mentioned toDay. #79 Telling Lottie to refresh. #82 Posts BG's list showing Lottie as "relatively innocent". #89 Banter about pattern. #92 After BG says she copied Lottie's list - points out she had to have moved the name to "relatively innocent" from "most innocent". Day Two: #125 Says (in response to Shasta) that voting for BG didn't even have to depend on comparisons to her last game, but simply that she voted for someone she had called innocentish. #135 Fairly sensible, if waffle-y, talk about the possibility of a Wilwamorph voting for a Sallymorph on Day 1, plus some confusion about the narration. #141 Thinks the Assassin and the Defender know each others' roles. #164 Fairly defensive repsonse to Pitch's suspicions. Quote:
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just as long as I get my vote in", eh, Izzy? Not an innocentish attitude in my book at all. Claims she thought BG's vote may have also been a seer hint. I'm with Pitch on this - I don't buy it, plus, if she thought this, then she did the last thing an innocent should have done in jumping in with a vote for BG immediately! This comment could even be a bit of morphish honesty. Sometimes that is a good strategy when evil - makes one's arguments more solid - but in this case, it's incriminating whether true or false. I find the repetition of the "didn't vote because of the previous game" a little odd. There's plenty of reason to question Izzy's vote, regardless of that, and what she's doing kind of reminds me of the times I've been a wolf accused of doing something I actually didn't - focusing heavily on the part of the suspicions that don't apply while hoping the true guilt is overlooked. Yeah, Izzy's pretty suspicious, indeed. I don't see anyone more suspicious around, so: ++Izzy Edit: x'd with... speak of the devil! :D |
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Here and reading. I got to Pitch's #42 in my analysis of him before I got sucked into something else and am just now getting back, so that will get done tomorrow. :p
Right now Wilwa's defenses of herself are seeming more and more impassioned and frustrated, and while normally I'm a sucker for the frustrated innocent defense (having been a frustrated innocent more than once :rolleyes:), I still can't help but think this is morphish frustration rather than innocent. Barring anything truly damning, I'll probably be voting for Wilwa today. |
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Wilwa Izzy Probable Innocents: Lottie (without the probable, of course) Zil Nary A Clue (But Gonna Say...Innocent???): WWinty Rikae Noia Shasta Nary A Clue (But Gonna Say...Naughty-Morphy???) Pitchie |
I have to agree with you on Wilwa's defense, Shasta. She's definitely second highest on my suspect list, but I'm kind of hoping the Assassin already has or will check her. If Izzy's guilty, that points to Wilwa quite nicely (look at her comments on the BG-wagoners), and either an innocent or guilty Izzy would shed light on the BG wagon.
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You know, reading this over, Pitch, I'm finding you really intersting right now.
Let's start with your analysis of yesterday's votes and actions, and your, you know, overall willingness to attack someone who so far hasn't posted or said anything at all today. Yes, lets. I don't think I really have to defend myself on the BG vote; I put down why I voted her, reasons beyond the "omg the lists didn't match up" and I did indeed look at both lists; the explanation made absolutely no sense to me and it still doesn't, because the titles were different, and she had obviously reworked bits and pieces of it. There was simply no other conclusion I could come to in my mind. And I honestly think the person who looks the worse out of what happened in the last 20 or so minutes is Willwuffin, because no matter how I read her posts there it all felt like the same thing. "I really think BG is innocent but I'm not going to deign to tell you guys why I think so, despite how blatantly suspect she is being. I'm going to blithely throw my vote away on sally, and continue saying that even though I think BG is really innocent, I'm not going to meaningfully help her in any shape or form." On another note, when Shasta and Izzy showed up to defend themselves, you were readily willing to relent; you went from one to the next and then finally me, but as interesting as that is, you completely ignored Zul. It's one thing to vote an innocent with a reason and turn out wrong. It's another thing to vote an innocent without saying a bloody thing, being wrong, and skating by. Something's off there. Another thing is your basically list topping suspicion of Wilowil.. and yet you still vote me. Something's off there, considering you've basically link her with me/shasta/izzy as the definite member of whatever morphpack is on the ship. Care to explain why you voted me above the one constant amongst your conjecture? "Well well if you're a wolf you're dangerous!" Doesn't cut it. That is always a horrible reason, because you are basically bringing a justification into the game that boils down to "what if they're a wolf?" I am also not liking Willy's "wahhh the bandwagonners got off scott clean! wahhh why am I under suspicion!" posts. You won't deflect attention, Morph. Also, to those who are going "He was in the middle of the BG voters where he can skate on by!!!!" Really let me ask you; are you just trying to get on my nerves with that logic? Morphs, Wolves, and Mafia will vote in any order they please. And I don't really call it bandwagoning when someone can provide decent reasoning; bandwagoning to me is just simply voting for someone with an overall rehashed reason. But let's have a hypothetical situation. Let's say I was a morph. Would I have any reason to vote BG, or further add fuel to the fire when it looked like she was going to get lynched on her own anyway? Nope. It's like last game. Every post of her's added fuel to the metaphorical fire, and the more I looked at her the worse I felt about her. I said as much, and I gave reasoning for why I felt the way I did. If I was Morphanoia, I would have known she was innocent. I probably would have thrown an insubstantial vote on someone I was more suspicious earlier in the day on say... Eomer. That way I have a throwaway that isn't a, you know, obvious throwaway. UNLIKE SOME PEOPLE I COULD MENTION *COUGH*WILLYWUFIKINS*COUGH*. Yes, it sucks she was the seer. Yes, I was wrong. But honestly nothing else made more sense to me at the moment, and her explanation for the differentiation between her suspect list and her vote of lottie for lottie's asking others to come along and vote just did not sit well with me. On the Note of Lottie: I am very much inclined to think her innocent at the moment, simply based on the fact she didn't have to push for BG for the lynch, nor does she right now have to be stopping (or trying at least) the lynch of an innocent. Overall, she's doing more genuine analysis than I remember from her wolf counterpart, who was rather happy to let things progress how they were going. I'm also having a hard time reading Zul as a wolf, as since BG seemed like a sure thing at the end of yesterday, he'd have no reason to just come and vote her without a word; Now, this isn't to say he might not have done that as a sneaakkky gambit to say "well as a wolf I wouldn't do that" but... it feels doubtful at the moment. WIth all of this in mind, my vote is going to ++Willowuffyfluffykins, also known as Wilwarin. Should I get lynched in the interrim, I'm laying down my suspicions as Pitch, Wilwarin, and Zul as a possibility. I am uneasy about Izzy but I don't feel too bad about her at the moment. I believe Shasta, Lottie, and Rikae as town. Also, yes my accusation of Rikae in my first post was meant as a joke, both in poking fun at how high strung I was my first game and as a bit of hypocritical humor. I didn't think I'd have to explain this... but there you go. |
Just finished reading.
Most Suspicious: Pitchwife, Wilwa, Noia, and Zil NotQuiteasSuspicious: Izzy, Lottie NotSuspicious: Shasta, Rikae Undecided: Everyone Else AbsoultelyNoSuspicion: WintyWinty I will vote in the top category listed, unless someone posts something glaringly wolfish between now and the DL. X'd with last 3 posts |
Half an hour till DL.
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Aren't we all ignoring someone? Where's Keeper of Dol Guldur? Slated to be modfired if xe doesn't vote very soon, of course - or is xe modfired already?
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Pitch-->Paranoia
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Could someone post the formatting to highlight stuff please?
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That wasn't it.
X'd with Lottie |
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However, I think Wilwa is still tops on my list. Quote:
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x/d with all since 216 |
Erm, rather the highlight goes in the brackets.
Edit: Xed with Lottie, Zul, and Winty. |
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[coding]++Pitchwife[/coding] Winty, if you quote this post you'll see the exact formatting. :) Also, Rikae, Keeper=Mira, and she is in fact deaded. *weeps over her body* ETA: Obviously, my "vote" doesn't count. As soon as Winty fixes his coding I'll remove it from my post. ^_^ |
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EDIT:X'd with Sally. Okay, I'll accept that her re-formatted vote on winty's behalf. |
I'm not liking this Paranoia wagon. There really seems to be little decent reasoning behind it, and a very morphish looking Wilwa made it a wagon at all (very quickly and eagerly, even). I don't really find Pitch morphish - what he's doing here does seem a bit like what a tasty apple pastry might, though, in order to deflect suspicion from the really morphish. I will really have to look closer at the interaction between Pitch and Wilwa, because the Paranoia votes seem almost coordinated. Like I said, more cobbler/morphish than co-morphish.
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Thank you, it was a little confusing. |
Pitch-->Paranoia
Wilwa-->Paranoia (2) Rikae-->Izzy Paranoia-->Wilwa Winty-->Pitchie EDIT: x'd since my last. And now I want a tasty apple pastry. Darn. :( |
Oh man - I wondered why I had never noticed Mira was playing until she was modfired! Oy.
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See, I tend to trust Noia a bit more from this post. After reading this, I want him to be lynched even less. So, I'd like an Izzy or Wilwa lynch a lot better. Sally forth, townsfolk, and please tell me which you'd prefer. (I just wanted to use the word Sally in a non-Sally related context. :p) Noia, by the way, I was amused by your first post, especially the "twitching for a full hour." :p |
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It is the same reasoning that I posted yesterday. I believe its on the bottom of page 4. X'd with Lottie |
Well, I think Para's response was adequate. No vote for him from me toDay.
I'd like to look at Izzy more closely, maybe toMorrow. ++Wilwa For previously stated reasons. |
For clarification. My #52 was in response to Loslote's #37.
It happens quite often, not even sure why I need to point to it again. People will rule x player out of being a wolf for x reason, because wolves just won't do that. Most often it happens with new players. Quite a few people completely ruled Paranoia out as a wolf, because he was new to the BD - which they read as new to Werewolf in general. Which was not true. I've played in games with him before, it was even stated. Wolves will do just about anything under the sun, especially if it will further their cause - a victory. My reason for voting for BG implied fabrication/lying/falsehood. Things don't need to be spelled out like that, for it to be seen. No. 99% of the time, innocents do not need to fabricate a list of their suspicions. Even if they have a result which they are trying to get out - there is still the rest of the player list. Which will have honest suspicions. Wolves on the other hand, know whom the wolves are - therefore will not have honest suspicions. Really Rikae; suspecting me is all good and fine. But twisting my words, and putting your own meanings to what I said - is beyond ridiculous. I stated right with my seer thought, that I immediately ruled BG out - as she was too new to try a move such as that. Again, you are giving your own reasons to what I actually said and meant. I can be a stickler for details. I don't sit well - ever - with people attributing data to me wrongly. I own up to my own actions - but say I did something which I didn't; what I should just continue to let people think that I voted BG because of last game; when I did not. It is conclusions based upon false information. X'd with everything after #208. |
Pitch-->Paranoia
Wilwa-->Paranoia (2) Rikae-->Izzy Paranoia-->Wilwa Winty-->Pitchie Pitch-->Wilwa (2) *grabs some popcorn, listens to rain and waits for more vote posts* |
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So, Izzy, you think that it's reasonable to say that copying someone else's suspicion list and then voting, three posts later, for a person you listed as "relatively innocentish" is the sort of thing to further a wolf's victory? On day one, in a village full of inexperienced players eager to lynch for a silly blunder? Wow. I've seen you as a wolf before, and you can be surprisingly formidable, considering you hold such absurd views about wolfish success.
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For, of course, previously stated reasons... EDIT: xed with Rikae...actually, none of the BeiGe-bandwaggoners were particularly inexperienced... |
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You appear to have me and Pitch confused there, and he's on there twice. |
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Pitch-->Paranoia Wilwa-->Paranoia (2) Rikae-->Izzy Paranoia-->Wilwa Winty-->Pitchie Dun-->Wilwa (2) Lottie-->Snuggle Muffin (3) |
I thought we were supposed to be voting for whom we thought suspicious. Not whom had more potential to be lynched. Or did the nature of werewolf change in the last week or something without my knowledge?
Rikae. Why do you think this village is full of inexperienced players? 98% of what you say is absolutely ridiculous. ++Rikae You can deem it as OMGUS I suppose, though that isn't the reason. Yes we interpret what others do - but blatantly spinning it to fit your vote.. come on. |
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