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Urwen 04-24-2019 08:51 AM

So I'll assume she is a female of the line of Finwe, who lives in East now. Am I close?


Or maybe you're being cheeky and the answer is Tar-Telperien.

Huinesoron 04-24-2019 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 715314)
So I'll assume she is a female of the line of Finwe, who lives in East now. Am I close?

Or maybe you're being cheeky and the answer is Tar-Telperien.

You're not very close at all, I'm afraid. Though there is a Numenorean connection somewhere.

hS

Urwen 04-24-2019 09:25 AM

Then I am drawing a blank.

Urwen 04-26-2019 12:20 PM

Hint please?

Huinesoron 04-27-2019 02:05 AM

West of the Sea my line arose;
In the Heart of the Sea we prospered;
East of the Sea we grew strong.

Now East of the Sea I dwell;
In the West of the land I call home;
In the Heart of the hero forever.


Two hints:

1. This is a single individual living far from their kin.
2. The hero is described as such by Tolkien (and on one occasion as the chief hero of the story).

(Previous hints are that there are connections to both Galadriel and Numenor in the riddle.)

hS

Urwen 04-27-2019 02:50 AM

.....Maglor?

Huinesoron 04-27-2019 05:58 AM

Not him.

All six lines apply directly to the subject of the riddle. Moreover, the first triplet is in chronological order.

hS

Urwen 04-27-2019 06:08 AM

Arwen?

Nerwen 04-27-2019 07:49 AM

I think the answer is the mallorn tree Sam (the "hero") planted in the Shire.

Huinesoron 04-28-2019 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen (Post 715524)
I think the answer is the mallorn tree Sam (the "hero") planted in the Shire.

Correct! Mellyrn began in Valinor, and reached Lorien by way of Numenor and Tol Eressea. The second Party Tree was planted in the Westfarthing by, per Tolkien, the chief hero of the story.

Over to you!

hS

Nerwen 04-29-2019 01:55 AM

Nice riddle!

Grey and gold-
Your wedding day
We greeted you with singing;
A morning, cold,
We speed away,
The broken symbol winging.

Urwen 04-29-2019 02:29 AM

We know this one, yes we do, my Precious......

Grey and gold- To [her] they gave two birds with grey plume, and with gold beaks and legs
Your wedding day - as a gift for her wedding day
We greeted you with singing; - [she] was awakened by birds singing
A morning, cold,
We speed away, - but then she sent them away
The broken symbol winging. - and they flew off to the land from whence they came

Answer: The birds given to Erendis by Elves of Tol Eressea as a wedding gift.

Urwen 04-29-2019 03:01 AM

Did I get it right, Nerwen?

Nerwen 04-29-2019 03:07 AM

Yep! Well done!

Urwen 04-29-2019 04:02 AM

Listen to my tale
One of sorrow and grief
Long was my life
While theirs was brief

On his throne
The Dark One laughed
Laughed at their misfortune
That he himself had caused

Their heritage noble
Their intentions pure
But against the Dark One's will
There is no cure

Now I hold them
I protect them still
One of them has a task
A prophecy to fulfill

The land is gone
Under the sea
Still I stand alone
To hold them till the end of Ea

Pervinca Took 04-29-2019 06:03 AM

Hurin?

Urwen 04-29-2019 06:07 AM

Nope. ;)

Galadriel55 04-29-2019 06:52 AM

Tol Morwen?

Urwen 04-29-2019 07:02 AM

Yea.

Galadriel55 04-29-2019 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 715594)
Yea.

Nice one! Creative.

Urwen 04-29-2019 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Galadriel55 (Post 715595)
Nice one! Creative.


Thanks. When should we expect yours?

Galadriel55 04-29-2019 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 715596)
Thanks. When should we expect yours?

I have an idea but won't be able to sit down and write it for another several hours at least. So... give it around 6 hours?

Urwen 04-29-2019 07:51 AM

Kay

Thanks again.

Galadriel55 04-29-2019 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 715599)
Kay

Thanks again.

Knowing that you're waiting for it I didn't spend time putting it in an aesthetic form. But the clues are bountiful. :p


Born in the East,
I have seen many lands.
Silver-clad,
I announce great beginnings.

Announcer of trouble,
Herald of death.
I did as was foretold
But to bring only pain.



Happy riddling!

Urwen 04-29-2019 01:31 PM

When thinking of 'foretold' stuff, Eowyn comes to mind.

Galadriel55 04-29-2019 07:54 PM

Not Eowyn.

Urwen 04-30-2019 02:33 AM

Nimrodel?

Galadriel55 04-30-2019 05:50 AM

Not Nimrodel. As always, it may help you to explain what your reasoning is, so I can tell you when you're on the right track qmd what lines you've misinterpreted.

Urwen 04-30-2019 05:59 AM

Well, she was clad in silver, she was born East of the Great sea, and she caused Amroth's death.

Galadriel55 04-30-2019 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 715637)
Well, she was clad in silver, she was born East of the Great sea, and she caused Amroth's death.

But did she herald death or announce trouble? Those lines mean something specific.

See? If you explain your guess you can get feedback and hints. :)

Urwen 04-30-2019 07:24 AM

Maybe the messenger who pronounced the Doom of Mandos, then? He was the herald of deaths of Feanor and his sons, Fingolfin, Fingon, Turgon, Aredhel, Finrod, Orodreth, Gwindor and Maeglin

Galadriel55 04-30-2019 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 715644)
Maybe the messenger who pronounced the Doom of Mandos, then? He was the herald of deaths of Feanor and his sons, Fingolfin, Fingon, Turgon, Aredhel, Finrod, Orodreth, Gwindor and Maeglin

And how would you explain the first paragraph? And what was foretold about him?

All of the lines have an explanation directly from the text. They are not there for poetry.

Urwen 04-30-2019 07:44 AM

You said I'd get hints. These are not hints, as they give no information which isn't obvious from the riddle itself.

Galadriel55 04-30-2019 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 715647)
You said I'd get hints. These are not hints, as they give no information which isn't obvious from the riddle itself.

You want a more concrete hint? Hmm... Think Third Age.

Urwen 04-30-2019 08:09 AM

Some thoughts.....so this character was born in Third age, in Middle Earth, is the subject of prophecy, heralds death and brings pain

Witch-King of Angmar? He fits all of the above, and looks like he is clad in silver in the Otherworld.

Galadriel55 04-30-2019 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 715653)
Some thoughts.....so this character was born in Third age, in Middle Earth, is the subject of prophecy, heralds death and brings pain

Witch-King of Angmar? He fits all of the above, and looks like he is clad in silver in the Otherworld.

At what point did you decide this is a character? ;)

No, not the Witch-King.

Urwen 04-30-2019 08:17 AM

At the point you said 'announce great beginnings', meaning they speak. And apart from Gurthang, no object/place can speak.

Galadriel55 04-30-2019 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 715655)
At the point you said 'announce great beginnings', meaning they speak. And apart from Gurthang, no object/place can speak.

I can think of several non-people who can announce things, including objects, places, and other creatures. If you're curious I can give a couple examples after the riddle is solved. You don't have to literally speak to fulfill this function. :)

Urwen 04-30-2019 08:26 AM

Nenya?

Galadriel55 04-30-2019 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 715657)
Nenya?

No.


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