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Urwen 05-07-2019 04:57 PM
I'm going to bed too. G'nite.

Galadriel55 05-07-2019 05:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 716034)
ETA: Wait. I was mistaken. Pippin is you, meaning nobody took his shot, he took someone else.

In which case, 'I' is Grima, who literally threw the Palantir that Pippin took.
Bravo! Untangling the "I" and "you" roles helps a lot with this. And once you did that, you hit on the right answer!

"You" is Pippin, who reveals the location of the Fellowship by throwing the stone into the well.
"I" is Grima, who reveals Saruman's connection with Sauron by throwing out the palantir.
Pippin picks up the palantir but doesn't get the appreciation he thinks he deserves (the entitled teenager :p)

So the final question: who is the bigger fool?




(Kidding. You've answered all the actual parts of the riddle. I think both characters were quite foolish in their own ways, but Pippin was the luckier fool of the two as his blunders often turned to something good half by accident.)

Urwen 05-08-2019 01:52 AM
Then solve this one
 
Twins are we
Imbued with his hate
Our lives are very different
Yet we shared the same fate

One remained in the fires
Where the turncoat was slain
The other inside the earth
Till the time comes for it to rise again

Nerwen 05-08-2019 02:51 AM
Anguirel and Anglachel?

Nerwen 05-08-2019 02:59 AM
Explanation:

Twins are we
Imbued with his hate -both made by Eöl out of meteoric iron and said to contain his "dark heart".
Our lives are very different
Yet we shared the same fate -perhaps in the sense of being ultimately abandoned? Or having all their wielders die?

One remained in the fires
Where the turncoat was slain -Anguirel, left in the ruins of Gondolin.
The other inside the earth
Till the time comes for it to rise again -Anglachel aka Gurthang, buried with Túrin.

Urwen 05-08-2019 03:13 AM
A good explanation, and the correct one.

Nerwen 05-08-2019 09:02 PM
I won't have time to come up with another one for a day or so. If you have one ready, you can go instead.

Urwen 05-09-2019 01:55 AM
Does that apply for 6 degrees thread too?

Urwen 05-09-2019 02:13 AM
Anyway, this one is to draw your attention to yet another parallel I found interesting.

You, who suffered loss
I, descended from your brother
What were our thoughts
When everything we loved was torn asunder?

You, who cried out in despair
Thus aiding the Enemy as he had planned
He had once declared
That you and your kin shall be damned

Me, who had to watch
As my home fell to ruin
Yet he wasn't someone I could dispatch
In silence, I had to endure

You and I, we knew suffering, we knew pain
Alone and in silence, when we lost it all
Here at the end, everything we did was in vain
The Sea had taken us, with its waves tall

Urwen 05-09-2019 03:33 AM
Oh, and I want you to try and solve this one, Huinesoron, for ~reasons

Huinesoron 05-09-2019 03:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 716178)
Oh, and I want you to try and solve this one, Huinesoron, for ~reasons
Well! 'You and your kin shall be damned' immediately points to the House of Hurin, of whom one member wound up in the sea - Hurin himself (as you reminded me). He also cried out in despair at the Hidden Way into Gondolin, thus revealing the city.

'Descended from your brother' means we're looking at the Huor-Tuor line, which means the Halfelven and the Numenorean-Dunedain nobility. I'm... trying very hard to find someone other than Tar-Miriel who fits, but I can't. :) She's simply got too many connections - with Pharazon as 'someone I could[n't] dispatch', and the Fall of Numenor as a whole. So my answer is Tar-Miriel speaking to Hurin Thalion. And the 'reasons' are because we literally just had that conversation (and possibly you were trying to trick me and make me think you meant Nienor, not Hurin).

hS

Urwen 05-09-2019 03:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Huinesoron (Post 716179)
Well! 'You and your kin shall be damned' immediately points to the House of Hurin, of whom one member wound up in the sea - Hurin himself (as you reminded me). He also cried out in despair at the Hidden Way into Gondolin, thus revealing the city.

'Descended from your brother' means we're looking at the Huor-Tuor line, which means the Halfelven and the Numenorean-Dunedain nobility. I'm... trying very hard to find someone other than Tar-Miriel who fits, but I can't. :) She's simply got too many connections - with Pharazon as 'someone I could[n't] dispatch', and the Fall of Numenor as a whole. So my answer is Tar-Miriel speaking to Hurin Thalion. And the 'reasons' are because we literally just had that conversation (and possibly you were trying to trick me and make me think you meant Nienor, not Hurin).

hS
That's the answer, and that's the reason. Well, that and the fact that you hold her in high regard, as do I.

Are you up for continuing the game?

Huinesoron 05-09-2019 04:08 AM
Long will you think ere the elderly's lesson
Comes to your mind to continue the session
Puzzle me out, do as you are bid
You may find the answer, but treasure stays hid.

hS

Urwen 05-09-2019 04:12 AM
The riddle game itself? With the last line referring to egg.

Huinesoron 05-09-2019 04:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 716182)
The riddle game itself? With the last line referring to egg.
Only the last line? :D

Can you tell me who 'the elderly' refers to, what the lesson is, and what the treasure is?

hS

Urwen 05-09-2019 04:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Huinesoron (Post 716183)
Only the last line? :D

Can you tell me who 'the elderly' refers to, what the lesson is, and what the treasure is?

hS
The treasure is the inside of the egg, of course. The elderly are Gollum and Bilbo themselves. The lesson is learning the answers as they come.

Nerwen 05-09-2019 04:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 716176)
Does that apply for 6 degrees thread too?
Yes.

Huinesoron 05-09-2019 06:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 716184)
The treasure is the inside of the egg, of course. The elderly are Gollum and Bilbo themselves. The lesson is learning the answers as they come.
No, no, and no, I'm afraid. You might want to think about whether your answer ("The riddle game itself") is specific enough.

hS

Urwen 05-09-2019 06:29 AM
Well, you confirmed that it is, only that the details are wrong. ;)

Huinesoron 05-09-2019 06:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 716194)
Well, you confirmed that it is, only that the details are wrong. ;)
Nooooo I didn't. I said something slightly different that points at what the true answer to my riddle is.

hS

Urwen 05-09-2019 07:07 AM
The Red Book of Westmarch, known to us fans as 'The Hobbit' then?

Huinesoron 05-09-2019 07:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 716197)
The Red Book of Westmarch, known to us fans as 'The Hobbit' then?
When I said "think about whether it's specific enough", I meant you needed to be more specific, not less. :) As in, you should stick with your answer, but focus it a bit more.

hS

Urwen 05-09-2019 07:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Huinesoron (Post 716198)
When I said "think about whether it's specific enough", I meant you needed to be more specific, not less. :) As in, you should stick with your answer, but focus it a bit more.

hS
Hence why I said you said it was more or less correct, but you denied it.....

Anyway

Long will you think ere the elderly's lesson
Comes to your mind to continue the session
Puzzle me out, do as you are bid
You may find the answer, but treasure stays hid.

The 'what have I got in my pocket' riddle? The answer is found after a long time by Gollum, but the treasure (The One Ring) remains hidden from him.

Huinesoron 05-09-2019 07:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 716199)
Hence why I said you said it was more or less correct, but you denied it.....

Anyway

Long will you think ere the elderly's lesson
Comes to your mind to continue the session
Puzzle me out, do as you are bid
You may find the answer, but treasure stays hid.

The 'what have I got in my pocket' riddle? The answer is found after a long time by Gollum, but the treasure (The One Ring) remains hidden from him.
You're right about 'long will you think' and the treasure which stays hid, but not about which riddle I'm thinking of. (For one thing, the game - 'the session' - was over before Gollum figured out what was in his pocket.)

hS

Urwen 05-09-2019 07:29 AM
Well, in that case.....


Long will you think - But just as Bilbo was beginning to hope that the wretch would not be able to answer
ere the elderly's lesson
Comes to your mind to continue the session - Gollum brought up memories of ages and ages and ages before, when he lived with his grandmother in a hole in a bank by a river
Puzzle me out, do as you are bid
You may find the answer, but treasure stays hid. - "Sss, sss, my preciouss," he said. "Sun on the daisies it means, it does."

Nerwen 05-09-2019 07:35 AM
Is it specifically the part of the Riddle Game where Gollum has to find the answer to the egg riddle?

Long will you think ere the elderly's lesson
Comes to your mind to continue the session -Gollum was stymied by the seemingly easy riddle, until he recalled a long-ago memory of (literally) teaching his grandmother to suck eggs.
Puzzle me out, do as you are bid
You may find the answer, but treasure stays hid. -He answered that riddle correctly, but could not find the treasure *he* cared about- the Ring.

Edit: x'd with the last few posts- may have been answered already.

Huinesoron 05-09-2019 07:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerwen (Post 716202)
Is it specifically the part of the Riddle Game where Gollum has to find the answer to the egg riddle?

Long will you think ere the elderly's lesson
Comes to your mind to continue the session -Gollum was stymied by the seemingly easy riddle, until he recalled a long-ago memory of (literally) teaching his grandmother to suck eggs.
Puzzle me out, do as you are bid
You may find the answer, but treasure stays hid. -He answered that riddle correctly, but could not find the treasure *he* cared about- the Ring.

Edit: x'd with the last few posts- may have been answered already.
That's the one. The 'teach grandma to suck eggs' joke flew right by my for years and years, so I figure it was only fair to work it into a riddle.

hS

Urwen 05-09-2019 09:12 AM
I will continue this, for now.

Large were we
Born in the land of seafarers
We were taken away
Only to be killed by mighty flames

If Nerwen decides to make his/her own riddle, it will replace mine, but for now, enjoy. :)

Nerwen 05-09-2019 09:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 716204)
I will continue this, for now.

Large were we
Born in the land of seafarers
We were taken away
Only to be killed by mighty flames

If Nerwen decides to make his/her own riddle, it will replace mine, but for now, enjoy. :)
"His/her"? Somebody's taking my screenname awfully literally!:p

And yes, you may proceed.

~Man-maiden.

Urwen 05-09-2019 09:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerwen (Post 716206)
"His/her"? Somebody's taking my screenname awfully literally!:p

And yes, you may proceed.

~Man-maiden.
Nope, it's just that I am not sure what your pronoun is and I want to be on the safe side. :p

Nerwen 05-09-2019 09:54 AM
Is it the ships of the Teleri?

Urwen 05-09-2019 10:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerwen (Post 716208)
Is it the ships of the Teleri?
Yes, and I am out of riddles for now. :p

Urwen 05-09-2019 10:12 AM
G55, Huinesoron, got any?

Galadriel55 05-09-2019 12:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 716210)
G55, Huinesoron, got any?
None ready at the moment. Are we doing a free-for-all until Nerwen reclaims her turn?

Urwen 05-09-2019 12:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Galadriel55 (Post 716230)
None ready at the moment. Are we doing a free-for-all until Nerwen reclaims her turn?
That's what she said.

Urwen 05-10-2019 02:11 AM
How about now?

Nerwen 05-10-2019 11:32 PM
Lo! I have returned!
 
Forth I went to meet despair-
They said they'd wait 'til back I came.
Yet here's another in my place-
We're not the same,
But no-one cares.

Urwen 05-11-2019 02:33 AM
Hurin, whose lands were usurped by Easterlings?

Nerwen 05-11-2019 02:35 AM
Nope.

Urwen 05-11-2019 02:38 AM
So it's someone who said they'd wait until someone else returns, but did not?


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