Sorry, I meant Cockney rhyming slang, but the full term didn't scan.

I was there to give a message
I could help to make some more
In Cockney slang it would be cruel
But here, unknown is Cockney lore.

(To get it onto the current page).

That's what I meant. Lawd above means cruel is cockney rhyming slang. I've used a translator.

It has to be Gelmir or Arminas, Cirdan's messengers. Either that, or Red Arrow.

Well, it's not the right answer.

'Cruel' and 'Cockney slang' both refer to the message.

No correct guesses yet.

I cannot find a Cockney term for either message or letter.....

The Cockney bit is not the main bit of the riddle. It only has two lines to complete the verse, and the riddle would still work without it. Ignore it, and just focus on the first two lines.

Sauron? He could help in making some more Rings, and his 'message' was Celebrimbor's body on a pole.

Not Sauron, and nothing like as cruel as that. In fact not cruel at all in intention.

Something to do with Shire? Unexpected party?

Barliman Butterbur the errand boy? :p

This is your closest guess so far.

Bilbo deciding to leave the Shire and performing his final trick?

Even closer, but not there yet.

Merry and Pippin setting off Fireworks?

Wash your mouth out with soap, young lady. ;)

Book, not film.

P.S. How is that a message? How could that or the Bilbo guess 'make some more?'

Then......


I have no idea.

The important thing is that I solved the password, the best one I've seen yet. :D

Maybe the three 'conspirators'?

(I confess, 'Conspiracy unmasked' still holds its position as the best chapter in the trilogy imho)

Why do you like it so much? Because their friendship is so moving?

For this puzzle, though:

Go back to the Long-Expected Party.

Yes, that's why.

Maybe the messages left by Bilbo to various people detailing his reasons for giving them things. Some of these messages and reasons could be considered cruel, especially the one addressed to Lobelia.

Hello, all, and sorry about disappearing again. I had guests over, and other things.

What about the gold pen and ink-bottle given to Milo Burrows, who "never answered letters"?

I was there to give a message -i.e. "how about writing back to people?"
I could help to make some more. -by its nature.

Not sure about the second couplet- maybe the idea is that it conveys an insult in r.s., though I can't really think of one that would fit. (Ink/stink?)

Exactly right, Nerwen, and well done Urwen for guessing it was one of Bilbo's gifts 'speaking.'

A 'pen and ink' is indeed Cockney slang for a stink, but that wasn't Bilbo's meaning; nor would such a meaning be known in the Shire, as far as I know. (Maybe more Shagrat and Gorbag's style?) ;)

And a pen and ink bottle could, as Nerwen said, be used to write further messages.

I never thought, though, to get such a different interpretation as Celebrimbor on a pole! That was an eye-opener!

Urwen did most of the work, actually.

Anyway-

Named for trees
Both, we be;
Sundered from our loves for art.
I left a desert of the land-
You left a desert of the heart.

Nimloth and someone else I can't recall.

Nimloth and Telperien?

Feanor would fit perfectly, except he isn't named after a tree.

None of them.

"Art" is being used in the broadest sense, as basically synonymous with "science", "craft" etc.

If we go by that definition, then Feanor would still fit perfectly.

Fimbrethil, who went to the Eastern lands alongside her kin in search of new gardens after their old ones were destroyed, leaving her husband behind, thus leaving the desert of the heart.

And Celeborn, who left Eregion after Sauron destroyed it, thus leaving the desert of the land

Oooo, you're good!:eek:

Fimbrethil is the speaker, yes. However, the sundering I had in mind was earlier than that, referring to the incompatible interests of the Ents and Entwives- and it is she who left a very literal desert, the Brown Lands, behind her -Sauron was particularly thorough there- not fond of flowers, I suppose. (Your interpretation wouldn't have occurred to me because I generally assume the Entwives died with their gardens, and that the rest is wishful thinking.)

Okay... now find the other one. "Desert of the heart" isn't a throwaway phrase, and means more than just being sad or missing someone.

Maybe the other is Melian, which contains 'Elm', who returned to Undying Lands after her beloved was killed?

Characters named after trees: Nimloth, Galathil, Telperien, Celeborn. You said 'no' to three of those......

Not Melian.

Galathil then?

If it's not him either, then I have no clue, because there is no one else named after a tree. -_-

Fladrif, maybe, who moved away to be close to what he loved. Or Amroth, who was named after talans in Lothlorien?

You've missed someone...

Try to break down the parts of the clue- you've seen how it works for Fimbrethil.

Edit: This is a reasonably prominent character- you may not realise what the name means, however.

It's not Fladrif?

No.