I must say I find Eomer's unrelenting crusade against Greenie more than a bit puzzling. This is the third Day in a row that he's voted her. Now I'm not at all familiar with his wolfing habits, but would he really do something that eye-catching and questionable as a wolf? Maybe someone who's had more experience with him could answer this.

Speaking of voting patterns, does anybody see one here?

D2
Nerwen -> wilwa
Greenie -> wilwa (2)
skip -> wilwa (3)

D3
Greenie -> sally
skip -> sally (2)

Now I doubt that wolves would coordinate their votes so obviously, but if skip were the cobbler and thought he'd found a wolf in Greenie, it would make sense, wouldn't it? (Whether or not she is one is irrelevant to this.) I may be coming round to Agan's view after all...

I thought this was pretty interesting, so here's a look at some of Skip's posts toDay:

So here he's defending the Vanilwuffin voters, including Greenie. If he were the cobbler, and he did think Greenie was evil, that is the sort of thing I'd expect - and he does it with enough of a reserved air not to attract much attention to himself.

Here he's putting a negative light on Eomer's crusade against Greenie. Since a lot of people think that one or the other must be a wolf, this could easily be interperted as Skip trying to nudge us towards Eomer and away from Greenie.

And finally he votes Sallycake. At that time, there were two votes for him, one vote for Sally, and two for Greenie. Obviously he couldn't vote for himself, so instead he follows Greenie's lead, because if he were the cobbler, he couldn't very well vote for what he thought to be a wolf - unless, of course, he wanted to pull a Boro and force a "save Greenie" bandwagon. But I don't think he played that game, so his only real option was to vote Sallycake.

So yeah, I do think Skip could well be the cobbler. But I'd prefer to lynch Eomer or Greenie, who I think could well be wolves.

Hmmm... I don't really know what to think of Greenie now. Haven't seen anything particularly wolvish in her up to now, and thought she looked quite good (pun intended;)). But I've fallen for the charms of a Greenwolf once before, so...?

To be fair, she called skip's you-know-who-I-mean remark 'more than a bit cobblerish'; if she really thought he's the cobbler I don't think she'd done that as a wolf (unless one of the wolves was in serious danger, in which case it could make sense to sacrifice the cobbler instead).

But then I don't like her vote on sally today based on the exchange between Agan and sally about Agan's Day One vote. I didn't find Agan's vote very well-reasoned myself at the time, and I think it was OK for sally to question her about it. Greenie's interpretation that a sallywolf was trying to deflect suspicion (of which there wasn't really a lot) from herself to Agan there looks a bit stretched.

It's getting late again on this side of the ocean, and after what happened yesterDay I should take care not to vote at the last minute again, so...

As for wolf-suspects, it's between Eomer and Greenie for me (obviously they can hardly be packmates); which most likely means that I'm overlooking somebody, but no time to examine everybody else toDay.

I can't really make up my mind between them toDay (my brain not being in perfect working condition at this hour), so I think I'll go for the probable cobbler:

++skip

I hate to do this in his absence, but I've got to sleep, and there's still hope he'll be back.
Good night.

Vote Tally
 

Greenie --> Sally

Eomer --> Greenie

Aganzir --> skip

Sally --> Greenie (2)

Fea --> skip (2)

Skip --> Sally (2)

Pitchie --> skip (3)

Lottie --> Greenie (3)

++Greenie

Still to vote: Nerwen.

Oh, and I voted Greenie because of her odd reasoning about Agan and Sally, and because of her strange/evil-looking voting record.

Greenie--> Sally (1)
Eomer--> Greenie (1)
Agan--> skip (1)
Sally--> Greenie (2)
Fea--> skip (2)
skip--> Sally (2)
Pitch--> skip (3)
Lottie--> Greenie (3)

Left to vote:Nerwen

DL is in 30 minutes.

Back for the rest of the evening. :)

Quick forum question. Is multi-quoting acting up for anyone else?

Anyway, in repsonse to Skip's question earlier toDay (about who I planned to vote for yesterDay) I've already answered it. I intended to vote Eomer.


Truthfully right now I'd be happy with either Eomer or Greenie being gone, but I feel we could learn a bit more from Greenie's death, which is why I voted her toDay instead of Eomer.


Need to get settled in and such, and then I'll be back. :D

Okay, sorry for not being around.

I'm just thinking what to do– despite my reservations earlier, I wouldn't mind giving Greenie a shot (I feel rather better about Sally after her responses to me).

However, the other candidate's skip, and after sounding him out I do think he might well be the cobbler. (Which Greenie pointed out... Hmmn...)

And if we don't get one of the baddies toDay we're in trouble.

EDIT: X'd with Sally.

Then you know who your vote has to be, don't you?

Well, let's hope for the best. Can't delay any longer, the way my connection's acting up.

++A Little Green.


Trouble is, from here it looks like if it's not Greenie, we're also going to have to be looking pretty hard at you, Sally.

Hey, fair enough. I've nothing to hide this game.


And now we wait. o_O

The third day of their ordeal found the group in a particularly depressed state.
The loss of Boro, who they were now aware had apparently developed a means to protect them, had hit them hard.

It seemed that this day there were three who under the most suspicion: Greenie, skip, and Sally.

It was Greenie who "won" in the end, though.

"You know what to do," Eomer told her.

"I haven't killed anyone!", exclaimed Greenie. "You're all crazy!"

"Go on," said Sally. "We're not going to argue with you."

"Fine!" said Greenie, exasperated. "But when I'm gone, make sure you all get the real killers."

She walked into the chamber. Sally shut the door.

"Okay," said Lottie. "Where do we send her?"

"Well, what about 1066?" suggested Eomer.

"Oh, yes, the Norman Conquest. That should be fun." Nerwen opined.

Lottie set the time for 1066, then pressed the center buttton.

"I told you you're all insane!" yelled Greenie. "It wasn't me....'

"Gzzthktkk", went the machine.

And Greenie was gone, perchance to meet William the Conquerer.

The Living
Nerwen
Pitch
Sally
Lottie
skip
Fea
Eomer
Agan

The Dead
Professor Inzil (mod) Head full of knowledge cracked open Night 1
The Elf-warrior Robot Killer (wolf)- Fried like foil in a microwave Day 1
Shasta (ordo)- Made into a Shastacicle Night 2
Wilwa (ordo)- Found her big chance to get away from it all Day 2.
Boro (Ranger)- Learned to stop worrying and love the brick Night 3
Greenie (ordo)- Off to have fun with the Normans Day 3

IT IS NIGHT 4. Wolves and Seer do your thing.

Also, this was a strangely quiet last hour. Odd.


EDIT: Seriously, x'd? I'm not really complaining, but this is getting to become an accidental habit. :eek:

Night 4
 

Fea woke from a sound sleep to hear the creak of the floorboards in her room. She opened her eyes and saw two dark figures standing there. The one nearest the door quietly shut it. The other, at the foot of her bed, began walking to the other side of it, apparently to surround her. Suddenly, it stumbled and flung out its arms for balance as it tripped over one of Fea's black high-heeled shoes. Angrily, it kicked the shoe hard into the wall.

"Oh, now you've done it!" she said, her eyes narrowed. "Those are Italian!" The mechanoid's eyes widened in shock as Fea launched herself at it, and both fell to the floor.
Struggling to hold Fea off as she hit and clawed at it, the droid groped on the floor and found the shoe it had kicked. A swing of its arm and the heel went into Fea's eye. She collapsed.

"Thanks for the help!", it said to its partner sarcastically as it pushed Fea off it.

"I thought it was funny," chuckled the one by the door.

"You lousy..." muttered the other. "Never mind."

The two carefully walked out into the hall and made their way back to their rooms.

The Living
Nerwen
Pitch
Sally
Lottie
skip
Eomer
Agan

The Dead
Professor Inzil (mod) Head full of knowledge cracked open Night 1
The Elf-warrior Robot Killer (wolf)- Fried like foil in a microwave Day 1
Shasta (ordo)- Made into a Shastacicle Night 2
Wilwa (ordo)- Found her big chance to get away from it all Day 2.
Boro (Ranger)- Learned to stop worrying and love the brick Night 3
Greenie (ordo)- Off to have fun with the Normans Day 3
Fea (ordo)- A victim of her own fashion sense (and some murderous robots) Night 4

IT IS NOW DAY 4

Well, that sucks.

On the plus side, thank you, wolves, for killing someone who I'd forgotten was playing. (I know, right?) Somehow Fea had evaded my attentions, so I'd planned to spend vast amounts of toDay deciding what she was. Now I don't have to.

Of course, now she's dead, so....:(

*hugs her corpse*

The Living
Nerwen
Pitch
Sally
Lottie
skip
Eomer
Agan



Innocent
Sally

Feel okay about currently
Nerwen
Lottie (?)

Iffy on
Skip
Pitch

Want to lynch
Eomer
Agan

At the very least, Fea got just about the best narration in the history of ever. Death by shoes is definitely the way to go.

Also. Eomer? He should die. One out of Greenie and Eomer are almost definitely evil, Greenie's definitely not, which leaves...

It's three baddies to four innocents now, and we don't have a Ranger. So I think if it looks like we're going to lynch someone the Seer knows is innocent, he or she should reveal– if we mess it up toDay we're done for.

Or, y'know, if you caught a wolf. That'd almost be better, what with the whole "cobbler shows up as innocent" thing. ;)

As much as I hate to admit it, I think they should reveal anyway. Not right now, of course, assuming you or Lottie even is the seer, but some time toDay. If they have any information it's key that we know it as well, because....well, we're at End Game, people. We can't afford to mess up now.

However, the cobbler doesn't know the wolves for sure, so they'll steal have to tread lightly. That gives me some relief, but not enough to not be freaking out.

Trufax. However, we don't want to lynch the cobbler toDay either, as that would result in End Game as much as lynching an innocent. So I'd rather "clear" the cobbler and know not to lynch them than not know anything at all.

In fact, we can't afford to have an innocent vote the cobbler at all toDay. So I suggest everyone hold off voting as late as you can, until all players have responded.

Who do you suppose to be his partner, then?

Agreed. As far as I know I'll be here around the DL, so there's one innocent who can wait around and watch for sneaky ties and things.

That being said, I won't be on much (if at all) between when I go to bed tonight and about three hours before DL. Just so everyone knows, etc., etc.

Okay, kids, I'm afraid that's it from me for tonight. I'll try to check back before I go to work in the morning but I'm not promising anything.

Be good while I'm gone, and don't do anything dumb (like voting me, for instance).

I honestly don't know. I feel pretty good about Pitchie, but I could well be wrong about him. I don't really suspect you, but you are, by default, my second choice for "most evil". Agan wins first choice, but I don't really suspect her either. I'm pretty sure Skip is the cobbler, and I'm pretty sure about Sally's innocence. So...Agan, probably. But I'm a thousand times more sure about Eomer.

Ok Loslote, you're being pretty obvious. I just hope the village doesn't fall for it.

A thousand times more sure about Eomer, eh? That's only meaning one thing.

Clearly, I can see your game, though no-one else will -- unless you-know-who (and I ain't talking Voldemort) steps forward - not sure if that's wise yet though.

Nerwen's remark was interesting too. She said there's 3 baddies to 4 innocents. There's no way she doesn't realise that the cobbler could be gone already, unless she is the cobbler; but why would she reveal as the cobbler right now? She could be manipulating us to deduce that she is the cobbler, so we don't 'waste' a kill on her.

Worrying. What does everybod else think about that? Or have I misread it?

I note Loslote gives a ;) in response. Too daring?

What, you think I'm hinting at being the Seer or something? I'm not the Seer, I'll get that out of the way right now. By 'thousand times more sure', I meant that, compared to my almost assurance of your guilt, my suspicion of Agan is barely acknowledgeable.

Erm...because Zil announces the roles of the dead people, and there hasn't been a 'cobbler' among the list of the dead.

What's this now? Daring how? Did I hint again without knowing it? I thought I was simply pointing out that we can't take the Seer's innocents at face value.

EDIT: Just realized I bolded one of the quotes instead of quoting it. Fixed.

From my point of view, though, it's a puzzle:

Here's the Day Two votes (known innocents underlined)

Wilwa --> Loslote (1)
Nerwen --> Wilwa (1)
Boromir --> Sally (1)
Green --> Wilwa (2)
Skip - Wilwa (3)
Eomer --> Green (1)
Lottie --> Eomer (1)
Aganzir --> Eomer (2) (on DL)
Pitchwife --> Eomer (3) (after DL, didn't count)

Didn't vote: Fea, Sally.

See, I can understand how you (assuming you're innocent) could see me as a possibility. But I know I'm not a wolf, so for me the question is: if Eomer is Wolf 2, and Skip is the cobbler, who can Wolf 3 be? Agan, if a wolf, didn't need to vote Eomer– she could have just voted Skip like she was talking about, let Wilwa die and kept her hands clean. Now, that wasn't a "safe" vote– either Pitch or Sally following it would have killed Eomer. Could she have just assumed she'd stalled long enough that there was no time for anyone else to vote?

EDIT:X'd since Lottie at #266; clarification.

??? Do you know something we don't, Eomer? Where does it say the cobbler's role won't be revealed on death?

You know, I don't think she could have assumed that. As a wolf, it really doesn't make sense. But then, it doesn't make sense for wolf!you to point that out, either. So is it possible I'm wrong about Pitchie? Here's a question: can anyone think, off the top of their head, without reading through, anything contraversial he's done? Like, really contraversial? Because now that I think of it, his behavior around Eomer was exactly Mr. Agreeable, and he could have held off voting until just after DL. Does this make sense, or am I being silly?

No, it makes sense, I think. And somebody's usually the quiet wolf.

But then, how about Agan-cobbler and Skipwolf (impersonating the cobbler)?

Making a quick pop-in...

well well another Day that went badly...

Poor Greenie... At least you could've sent her sometime nice... Like the swinging 60's...

But okay, let's not be hasty now. We can't afford to lynch another ordo tonight, that's certain, but at least we've got a Seer still alive who can have a say about that. The wolves will be feeling the heat too, no doubt...

Will be back later during the Day... No rushed votes now, ladies and gents!

Apologies if I've misunderstood - it wouldn't be the first time in WW - but I thought Cobblers weren't revealed on death?

Probably getting confused with Curseds. :rolleyes:

Yes, you probably are. Cobblers are usually revealed on death, and there was no indication this game would be different.

Fea, yesterDay

Could this have been taken as a Seer- hint? If so, the wolves haven't been paying attention:

This post, however, does seem like the sort of thing that might look Seer-ish to the wolves. Which doesn't look good for Skip; however, the wolves might also have thought the "dream" was Greenie, in which case this would also be an attempt to frame Skip. (There's no trail from Fea to anyone else, either.)

It seems you're correct about the last thing; I'll give you that much. :p ;)

But I don't buy your explanation of the first. That's an incredibly strong accusation of me (an innocent) compared with another villager. At this stage of the game it's pretty hard for the village not to see you as the Seer, with a comment like that.

To clear this up, the Cobbler's role will be revealed upon xyr death. It's only a Seer's dream that will cause xym to show as an ordo.

To get this thing cleared up too (although Pitch's got the jest of it), and I'm paraphrasing:

Eomer: I'd prefer if Lottie was wielding a sword like a crazy person. She seems too careful now...

skip: Interesting. The last and only time I played with Lottie, she was just that person ie very outspoken and direct about her accusations.

Eomer: Oh really? But to be fair, when I last played with her she was actually very careful like she is now...

Lottie: Oh, but you have to remember, in that game I was a gifted (which can explain my carefulness)

You can see what I and Eomer are talking about, can't you? Then again, I agree with Pitch that Lottie probably would've been more careful if she actually is gifted ie the Seer.

Almost forgot to apologise for being the main cause of Greenie's lynching. Sometimes you just get an idea in your head and it stays there. Got it very wrong. :rolleyes:

A bit cheeky of me then, perhaps, to highlight this post from Sally, but I'm doing some re-reading and this jumps out as being very suspicious.

She has decided that either Eomer or Green "HAS to be a wolf" and I'm not sure why she would come to this conclusion - especially when she clearly states that she has two other suspects.

My main reason for suspecting her is that this move looks like a subtle manipulation attempt. I was highly suspected the day before, correct? Almost the one most likely to be lynched. What better way to get two birds with one stone than to push a relatively unsuspected (until that day) villager ahead of Mr Public Enemy while simultaneously forging a connexion between the two? Pushing this theory cleverly plants the idea that, when Green's innocent nature is revealed, Eomer is somehow more suspicious than he was.

I dunno, this just seems off to me. Maybe I'm being paranoid (who am I kidding - it's what the game is all about!) I don't know how she can narrow down the list like that. We all have top suspects - I myself yesterday said that I'd want Loslote killed if the choice of Greenie was wrong. But Sally's wording seems evil to me.