I know, that's why I said it was "neither here nor there".

None of the solutions I can come up with fit all of the lines, though I am curious to see who this is. (For instance, Gollum wasn't slain, Feanor didn't have mixed blood etc.)

You'll just have to keep looking, won't you?:smokin:

Yeah, but that'd take forever.

So this character hated someone, someone else attempted to kill them, they were saved by the person they hated from the person who tried to kill them, and then they were slain by someone who was loyal.

Why does this still give me CoH vibe.....?

Maybe Frodo? Briefly, he relied on Gollum and pushed Sam away, and as Lobelia pointed out, he's half-Baggins, half-Brandybuck.

Except that he wasn't slain.....

Anyone else willing to take a shot at this?

Pretty much, except that there are subtler ways of "undoing" someone...

Well, probably because it resembles various things from CoH- but they didn't all apply to the same person. (So no, not that.)

Hints:

Line 1 is completely accurate, but also not, I think, something people particularly associate with this character. It serves mainly to rule out candidates, as you've found.

You might want to look at your question, "Who would be saved by someone they hated?" another way round.

The last bit is important, though again it's something you might well have forgotten. In-story, however, the incident was considered worth writing a line or two of verse about- I've basically paraphrased this, in fact.

Finally, I assure you the speaker is a major character and not Bilbo's fourth cousin's mother-in-law or anything like that.

So the question is 'who would hate someone they've saved', right?


And 'undoing someone' could also mean steering them the wrong path/corrupting them.


Maybe Gwindor 'I rue the day I stole you from Orcs' son of Guilin?

Where does it say this person hated the speaker?

But yes to your second observation.

Not Gwindor, though.

Re-posting for a new page:

Blood of two peoples made me.
He I trusted tried to undo me.
He that I hated saved me.
He that was loyal slew me.

There

"I hated him" != "He hated me".

So the speaker hated by someone that didn't hate them, and yet none of my guesses are correct? :eek:

Oh, I see. Answer incoming, I hope.

Gender confirmed. Time to end this.

Theoden.

Blood of two peoples made me - Blood of Rohan and Lossarnach
He I trusted tried to undo me. - Grima
He that I hated saved me. - Gandalf
He that was loyal slew me. - Snowmane

Am I right?

The King of the Golden Hall it is! Well done!

Sorry for keeping you in suspense- I had to attend to some things.

Well then
 

Let me change it up a little.

You want to escape from us, but beware
Of things that came to light
Of us who caught you unaware
We won't let you run into the night

Thinking aloud. First and second lines seem pretty general... but the middle ones are interesting. Who was "caught unaware"? Does it mean "ambushed"? While sleeping?

No. I am merely being sneaky.

Shelob's eyes?

Nope, why would I make a riddle about that?

It describes one of my favorite moments.

Is it Túrin's Orc captors? "Things that came to light" might be a reference to the flash of lightning that revealed Beleg's dead face to him.

Well, why would anyone make a riddle about anything? :)

And how and when did they catch him unaware? He was quite aware of them the whole time.

That's what I thought you might mean- but apparently not.

Think... think... who else is Urwen obsessed with...?:p

Except they did let him 'run into the night'.

And you do have the complete list of my favorites, thanks to one of my passwords.

Faramir to Gollum, then?

No.


Hint: Think about the riddle. Think about ALL of the meanings each of the lines can have.

One more hint: This riddle more or less paraphrases the events that occurred in a very specific chapter of a very specific book of a very specific trilogy.

A Conspiracy Unmasked?

Now you just need to say the answer. ;)

I thought I had ....

Well, yeah, technically......

You know what? Have at it. You let me make it by your goodwill, so I'll do the same.

Escape from us - from Merry and Pippin (and Fatty) - to face the dangers alone and not risk their lives.

Things that came to light - Merry once saw Bilbo use the Ring. Could refer to other things too, though, like the things Sam has reported.

Caught you unaware - Muttering 'Shall I ever look down that valley again' and things like that. Plus Frodo was taken unaware in that they already knew he wasn't just settling down at Crickhollow.

We won't let you run into the night - Night as a metaphor for danger; run as a metaphor for facing it recklessly and alone.

Is that better? ;)

I had thought it obvious once solved, but actually, you're right. It's only fair, after all, to explain how the parts of a riddle work when someone has gone to the effort of making one.

Furthermore, it was probably only obvious to me because Frodo is my favourite character, (in literature, not just in Tolkien), so I know the parts of the book with him in extremely well. Which begs the question: why did I think of Shelob's eyes first? Well, that's another part of Frodo's story, so I guess that's why. ;) The last line doesn't work as well for that solution, though. Shelob *wants* him to run into the night. (The metaphor here would be her larder).

Which reminds me ... why has no-one made me a Frodo password like your Maeglin and Huey's Telperien? :D