right...let me see here...


Founding of First, maintained of Second, both co-mingled yet hard to see unless First, commanded by a Greater Second and a Lesser Second after the war...

Time for some hints, methinks.

it was during the WOTR

Minas Ithil?

Founding of First
At the start it was first in importance of the towers, as the fortress-city of Isildur.
maintained of Second
It was taken by Sauron and though retaken in the early Third Age, was thereafter second to Minas Anor.
Both co-mingled yet hard to see unless First
Minas Ithil was captured again by Sauron's forces, and both it and Minas Anor were renamed. The Palantir of Minas Anor was controlled by the Ithil-stone, making it difficult to "see" through the stone.
Or perhaps that once the First (Ithil) became the Second (Morgul), moonlight no longer lit the tower at night, and that pallid witch-light that replaced it was not enough to see by?
commanded by a Greater Second and a Lesser Second after the war
Minas Ithil (Morgul) was commanded by The Witch King, Sauron's second-in-command, before the War of the Ring, and afterward by Faramir, who as the heir of the steward and Prince of Ithilien could logically be considered Aragorn's second. The Witch King is greater than Faramir, as seen when the latter succumbed to the Black Breath.

A shot in the dark...or in that weird Morgul light.

nope...close with Faramir though...it is a place

Emyn Arnen, then?

Founding of the first Ithilien Principate, perhaps? Maintaining...the stewardship?
Commanded by Faramir (and Beregond, captain of the White Company)
Or by Faramir and Eowyn, each a second child...

your close with Faramir and Eowyn

Well, that puts one in mind of the Houses of Healing...

Eowyn's stay was founded by the orders of the Master Healer, when she wished to leave, but was later maintained by her own will, though she was pronounced well.
Eowyn and Faramir were together often during the latter part of their stay in the Houses of Healing, but could not have visitors without the approval of the Master Healer.

...but that would make the Greater and Lesser Seconds the voices in Eowyn's head... Alack, my reasoning appears to be faulty.
Unless of course, you refer to her two mindsets: childish infatuation with Aragorn giving way to love for Faramir?

*sigh* its a city...

Ok there is some logic behind this but it is pretty screwed up so I might ramble a bit.

Last bit first is that I think Greater Second refers to Faramir because he is second in line to being Steward and Lesser Second is Eowyn because she is technically second in line but is from Rohan which is less important than Gondor.

Then keeping in with that theme First should be Boromir and second Faramir.

I am totally stumped on the co-mingled bit.

Actually this is really hard! I'm going to say Osgiliath on the guess that Faramir and Eowyn were left in charge after the war and that Boromir first freed it from the orc invasion and then it was left to Faramir to maintain it.

Revival
 

He fell ere Gorthaur's realm did fall
The sign he brought was clear to all
Though hidden long it did remain
A sign of hope for men of Sauron's bane.

Who was it?

Gorthaur -> Sauron, banished 25 March III 3019. At this same time Gandalf, Aragorn, Éomer, Imrahil and the other lords of the allied force rode against the gates of Mordor, but I don't know anyone who fell there :S

I hope I helped someone else with my thinking out loud...

Correct.

Ere means before, remember. It might be easier to think about what the "sign he bore" was first.

The only person I can think of right now is Aragorn. He had the green stone on his forehead or the banner for 'signs he bore'. He was long hidden as were these two signs but when revealed they brought hope to men. But he did not fall before Sauron so . . . ?

You're on the right track with the signs, but it's not Aragorn.

I think I got it!
 

He fell ere Gorthaur's realm did fall---he died at Amon Hen
The sign he brought was clear to all---his horn
Though hidden long it did remain---gondor was long a, well, pretty sad place
A sign of hope for men of Sauron's bane---"my lord, my brother, my king"

Who was it?---Boromir!

Nope, sorry!

That's the closest anybody's got so far (pretty darn close, actually).

Was it maybe the man who brought the signs from Galadriel/Arwen to Aragorn? The Dunedain man gave him the banner I know that much. Tell me if this is right and I'll go find his name. The books have to be around here somewhere :rolleyes: .

You've got it! (Get me his name or I won't give it to you :p).

Bully. Ok it was . . . Halbarad! I knew it began with H!

Vrai. He died at the Pellenor Fields, if anybody, you know, cares.

Over to Kath.

*poke*
 

Kath?

Sorry I've been having trouble thinking of one. Next time I guess I'll make sure I have one to hand! You can take it Nilp.

Me?
 

No! I just poke people!

*sigh* But only since you asked.

I shall think of one up soon. About 24 hours from now.

(More than 24 hours later . . . )
 

Nienna.

Angel = Vala. Cries a lot = lamenting. Watered the mound of Ezellohar (most likely spelt wrong, sorry) with her tears.

Yes.
 

You got it. :)

Your thread.

In the Haven of Birds
Of the People who were Third,
This evil, first of its kind,
Was commited, and left behind.

sounds like Aquallonde(sp), and the first Kinslaying

Yup, the Kinslaying of Alqualonde. Over to G-G.

*bump*
 

Gil-galad?

I'm back now...though overly sore


Place of refuge for the tall and place of riches for the not so-tall


quite easy...

Glittering Caves?

*bump*
 

Gil-galad?

yep TGWBS is correctamondo

Blergh. I can't think of anything, so an easy one:

A fishy city.

My 200th Post
 

Tirion-upon-Túna?

D'accord. Over to you, Alcarillo.

I love your name by the way. :D So Bombadilesque.

Thank you
 

Sorry for the delay, I couldn't think up anything very clever, so here goes:

Zombie-land

I know it's somewhat wierd, but I made it up on the spot.

Paths of the dead?