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Arestevana 10-20-2003 05:10 PM

This is a great quiz question. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Is the answer connected to what the objects are made of?

[ October 20, 2003: Message edited by: Arestevana ]

Telchar 10-21-2003 12:35 AM

Gurthang was not made of a 'earthly' metal ?
That is somthing fallen from the sky?

Im grasping here... [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img]

Estanesse 10-21-2003 03:38 AM

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Is the answer connected to what the objects are made of?
Only Nenya is connected with the other objects because of what it is made of.

Arestevana 10-21-2003 04:30 PM

Anduril is the one driving me up the wall.
There are so many tricky little variations to this question. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]
Dwarves fought a battle over all but Gurthang?

Estanesse 10-24-2003 03:39 AM

Nope

NightKnight 10-24-2003 01:22 PM

All of them had mithril in them except for Gurthang?

Estanesse 10-24-2003 01:28 PM

Nope, the only Item of mithril is Nenya.

[ October 24, 2003: Message edited by: Estanesse ]

The Saucepan Man 10-24-2003 09:16 PM

OK, in an effort to resolve this impasse, I shall make a guess. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

Dwarves had a hand in the making of all of them except Gurthang.

Anduril or before it was reforged Narsil: Narsil was forged by the Dwarf-smith (and renowned forum member [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] ) Telchar.
Thingol’s Silmaril: was fashioned into a necklace, the Nauglamir, by Dwarves.
Dragon-helm of Dor-lómin: was also made by Telchar, a Dwarf.
Nenya: was made of mithril which, presumably, was mined by Dwarves.
Arkenstone: was mined, and thereafter fashioned, by Dwarves.

Gurthang, on the other hand, was forged by the Elven-smith Eol, and no Dwarf had a hand in its making.

Estanesse 10-25-2003 12:26 PM

[img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Your turn Sauce

The Saucepan Man 10-28-2003 07:51 PM

Thank you, Estanesse. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Axe
Helmet
Knife
Ring
Sword
Whip

Finwe 10-28-2003 08:35 PM

Helmet because all of the others are types of weapons, whereas a helmet can't really be used as a weapon (unless you're truly desperate!) and is a form of defensive armor.

NightKnight 10-29-2003 04:35 AM

Ring, because all others were used as weapons in the Battle of Gondolin.

The Saucepan Man 10-29-2003 08:48 AM

There is no correct answer yet.

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Ring, because all others were used as weapons in the Battle of Gondolin.
No, but the battle of Gondolin is (partly) relevant ...

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... a helmet can't really be used as a weapon (unless you're truly desperate!)
Hmm. [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

The Saucepan Man 11-02-2003 01:27 PM

OK, time for a hint or two:

Axe
Helmet
Knife
Ring: The One Ring
Sword: Glamdring
Whip

Finwe 11-02-2003 03:57 PM

Ring because all of the others were used in the Fall of Gondolin at some point.

Axe --> Tuor's Axe
Helmet --> Ecthelion's Helmet (or Glorfindel's Helmet)
Knife --> The knife that Maeglin tried to kill Earendil with
Sword --> Glamdring, Turgon's sword
Whip --> Balrog whips

[ November 02, 2003: Message edited by: Finwe ]

The Saucepan Man 11-04-2003 06:14 PM

No, but you have the right Helmet and Whip.

Axe
Helmet: Ecthelion's Helmet
Knife
Ring: The One Ring
Sword: Glamdring
Whip: Balrog's Whip

NightKnight 11-05-2003 03:01 AM

Just to complete the list, I'll guess at Dramborleg as the axe, and Angrist as the knife.
No idea which the oio is though.

The Saucepan Man 11-05-2003 07:00 PM

No, those are not the items I was thinking of. In fact the knife is Wormtongue's knife and there's no specific axe.

All of which should really give it away ...

Axe: Any Axe
Helmet: Ecthelion's Helmet
Knife: Wormtongue's Knife
Ring: The One Ring
Sword: Glamdring
Whip: Balrog's Whip

Finwe 11-06-2003 06:35 PM

The Ring because:

1) It wasn't used to kill anyone.

or

2) It had no visible ornaments.

Estanesse 11-07-2003 10:13 AM

Axe because all other items are just as a weapon against a Maia or just as a weapon by a Maia.

[ November 07, 2003: Message edited by: Estanesse ]

Finwe 11-07-2003 10:33 AM

Wormtongue's a Maia????

Estanesse 11-07-2003 10:36 AM

nope but Saruman is

Finwe 11-07-2003 10:17 PM

Ah, right, forgive me!


Helmet because it was the only "weapon" not made or used by a Dark Lord or the Forces of Darkness.

The Saucepan Man 11-07-2003 11:03 PM

Estanesse is close enough. The answer is that they were all intrinsically involved in the death of a Maiar except the Axe.

Ecthelion's Helmet helped seal Gothmog's fate.
Wormtongue's Knife of course dealt a fatal blow to Saruman.
The destruction of the One Ring caused Sauron's demise.
Gandalf used Glamdring in vanquishing the Moria Balrog.
And the Balrog's Whip pulled Gandalf down to further combat, resulting in his death.

As far as I know, there is no reference to an Axe having been used to kill a Maiar.

Well done, Estanesse. Please continue. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Telchar 11-08-2003 07:25 AM

As far as I remember, Tuor was said to have killed one or two Balrogs in the early development of the writing of The Fall of Gondolin, and he fought with an axe... but doesnt matter - was a good question. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Finwe 11-08-2003 02:09 PM

(Just nitpicking here)

Also, in the early stages, one of the leaders of the Houses of Gondolin, named Rog, also wielded an Axe, along with most of his House. Who knows, between them and Tuor, they could have gotten a few Balrog chappies!

Eowyn:Lady of Rohan 11-08-2003 06:46 PM

Next question please!

Estanesse 11-10-2003 04:08 AM

Thank you Sauce [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Silmaril
Glamdring
Vilya
Gúthwinë
Gurthang

Telchar 11-10-2003 10:14 AM

Gúthwinë didnt shine ?

Estanesse 11-11-2003 04:01 PM

Yes that's true, but gurthang also (the black sword) didn’t.

Telchar 11-11-2003 05:58 PM

I guess this is really annoying, but I cant help it...

Estanesse:
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Yes that's true, but gurthang also (the black sword) didn’t.
SILM:
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The sword Anglachel was forged anew for him by cunning smiths of Nargothrond, and though ever black its edges shone with pale fire; and he named it Gurthang, Iron of Death.
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Then Túrin sprang about, and strode against him, and the edges of Gurthang shone as with flame; but Glaurung withheld his blast,....

Finwe 11-11-2003 08:08 PM

Guthwine did not pass through Elven hands, or come into contact with Elves (Gurthang killed Beleg).

Estanesse 11-12-2003 02:22 PM

It is not the answer I’m looking for Finwe, but it has some similarity
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I guess this is really annoying, but I cant help it...
It is [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]but I can’t blame you for being right

Telchar 11-12-2003 03:09 PM

Guthwine is assigned to one person only?


Silmaril / Feanor, Thingol, Earendil ect
Glamdring / Turgon, Gandalf
Vilya / Gil-Galad, Elrond
Gúthwinë / Eomer!!!
Gurthang / Beleg, Turin

...or... Guthwine because the other had 'mates'

Silmaril / ...the two other Silmarils
Glamdring / Orchrist
Vilya / Nenya, Narya
Gúthwinë / NONE!!!
Gurthang / Anguirel

[ November 12, 2003: Message edited by: Telchar ]

Finwe 11-12-2003 07:46 PM

Guthwine was the only one that wasn't made by the Elves.

[ November 12, 2003: Message edited by: Finwe ]

Estanesse 11-13-2003 07:48 AM

Telchar’s first answer is,
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Guthwine is assigned to one person only
Wrong but his explanation is almost correct.

Hint* delete some names and add a name.

[ November 13, 2003: Message edited by: Estanesse ]

Estanesse 11-29-2003 11:40 AM

Anyone?? It is not hard this question [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
(Not to hard [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] )

NightKnight 11-29-2003 01:16 PM

Put in Celebrimbor in the Vilya one?

Estanesse 11-30-2003 07:54 AM

Nope

Usta Salque 12-02-2003 12:14 PM

Guthwine because it is the only one who's owner wasn't slain in battle...


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